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Olympic Mathlete posted:If you told me this was a Chinese copy I'd have believed you. It looks a bit too plain. something is off. Its too much body. I cant believe Im saying this but it needs bigger lights and like more grills or something. It also needs a wide body treatment, bad. How the gently caress are they planning on this working? I get it, the first batch is going to go quick with hype, but I just see the troops from the 3 military bases near me flocking to the EV versions that will be expensive as gently caress right off the bat. Maybe Dodge has plans for a 15 or 30 year loan for these. Having to wait an additional year for the i6 to be available seems like a weird strategy too. So everything is going to be loving expensive going forward? I find this whole thing so interesting and cant wait to see how this shakes out with the previous audience who owns/loves Dodge stuff.
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wesleywillis posted:Weighs 6000 pounds, has drift and donut mode The last one handled like a pig and this won’t help at all.
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Godzilla07 posted:The new Charger will be available both as a 2 and 4-door car. It looks like the grill is sliding off. I didn't mind it until I noticed that, now it's all I can see.
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Full Collapse posted:The last one handled like a pig and this won’t help at all. Yeah but because it was already too heavy and just a straight line muscle car, it makes perfect sense to continue that name as an EV I think. No one wants a 6k lbs Miata or Corvette, but this isn't THAT much heavier than before. Still, that feels like more weight than just a battery pack should be adding? Or are they just using worse, heavier batteries than everyone else?
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Franco Caution posted:So everything is going to be loving expensive going forward? what do you mean, "going forward?"
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davebo posted:Yeah but because it was already too heavy and just a straight line muscle car, it makes perfect sense to continue that name as an EV I think. No one wants a 6k lbs Miata or Corvette, but this isn't THAT much heavier than before. Still, that feels like more weight than just a battery pack should be adding? Or are they just using worse, heavier batteries than everyone else? Car & Driver have the last Challenger at 4000 lbs +/- 300 lbs depending on engine. Maybe lived experiences and all, but adding a third more weight through an extra ton does seem a bit heavier, imo.
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wesleywillis posted:Weighs 6000 pounds, has drift and donut mode
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I love the Hurricane. Meh on the car though. I won't be buying one.
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FBS posted:https://x.com/CARandDRIVER/status/1765045121274302871 Tesla been making Merican EV muscle cars for 13 years. Talk about yeah nah Also considerably lighter too WTF how the gently caress did that end up that bloated?!?!?
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:what do you mean, "going forward?"  Thats fair. Everyone thinks of the SCAT and the HELLCAT, but Dodge sells a fuckton of the $35-37K Charger SXTs each year. Is that crowd just gone now and Dodge assumes those folks will step it up into the $50K+ options? Like i said, unless Dodge finds a way to do 15 year financing, I dont see how this is going to work out. I have a feeling used car market might get wild on these for a bit.
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theres gonna be cash on the hood no doubt and i feel like most of those cars enter the market through Enterprise et al anyway
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I welcome this vehicle without a huge fuckoff grille and needlessly aggressive styling.
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Yeah I mean that lower grille and hood appear to be an improvement from a pedestrian safety standpoint so I’m all for it. Unless those are 24” wheels and it’s actually just as tall as a truck. It’s probably the latter.
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FBS posted:https://x.com/CARandDRIVER/status/1765045121274302871 I agree with most other sentiments that it looks weird somehow. Too much time in the wind tunnel, headlightbar feels extremely 'understated' and not in a cool way
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moxieman posted:Yeah I mean that lower grille and hood appear to be an improvement from a pedestrian safety standpoint so I’m all for it. Unless those are 24” wheels and it’s actually just as tall as a truck. That's not a grille, it's a front wing
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They should have modeled it after this Daytona:
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The first EV muscle car lmao come the gently caress on, EVERY EV is a muscle car because they are all wicked fast on account of being EVs. I am super interested to see if this works for Dodge since they've spent so long banking on the theater of giant powerful engines and that's now all gone. A Kia couldn't do what a Charger could do 10 years ago, but now it can. The homogenization of cars because of EVs is always been something I've been anticipating with interest because you have so much less to differentiate between cars when you rip out the ICE. I can't see the same person that would buy a Hellcat just buying an EV.
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I don't mind the look of the coupe, the 4-door is a bit weird in the profile. I'm more concerend that it's going to be AWD by default, what is that poo poo.
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moxieman posted:Yeah I mean that lower grille and hood appear to be an improvement from a pedestrian safety standpoint so I’m all for it. Unless those are 24” wheels and it’s actually just as tall as a truck. When 6000lb hits you, it doesn’t matter how tall or low the hood is.
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Russian Bear posted:When 6000lb hits you, it doesn’t matter how tall or low the hood is. I mean, it actually kind of does matter, a lot, for how much actual force is absorbed into your body. The weight difference is so great between people and cars I'm really not sure the difference between 4500 and 6000 is actually more important. I still really don't understand why Tesla could make a Model S with a similar amount of battery capacity nearly 1500 pounds light than this... 10 years ago. It seems like an area that all the legacy manufacturers are still unable to catch up on, though this is extreme. Coincidentally right before reading about this new Charger I read an article about the new I-6 RAM 1500 and was struck by how the weight of the 2 is near exactly the same.
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wesleywillis posted:Weighs 6000 pounds, has drift and donut mode 6000lbs, drift mode, The cheapest rear tire is 589 a piece. Sounds like you're just feeding tires to the tire fire. e: the local chrysler dealer has a whole pile of new chargers/challengers/300s at the back of their lot. https://caredge.com/guides/fastest-and-slowest-selling-cars-2024 According to this, they have 477 days market supply for the charger, 480 for the Hornet, 360 for the challenger and 348 for the 300 in the states. 7 of the top 10 for market supply are FCA It is entirely likely that there will be new old chargers and new new chargers on the lot at the same time. Powershift fucked around with this message at 22:11 on Mar 5, 2024 |
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CAT INTERCEPTOR posted:Tesla been making Merican EV muscle cars for 13 years. Talk about yeah nah The Tesla and Lucid cars are designed on platforms that do not have to accommodate ICE powertrains. I'd also bet that the EV startups have more of an emphasis on weight-reduction than legacy manufacturers, who've consistently shown that they could give two shits about cutting weight for the last decade-plus. Fun fact: the Lucid Air in its new base trim weighs 4536 lbs, which is lighter than the new C63 AMG (4749 lbs.)
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The Charger has always been ugly as poo poo so it's nice they carried on that legacy with the new one
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Eyud posted:The Charger has always been ugly as poo poo so it's nice they carried on that legacy with the new one It used to look cool though. This is just a Wish.com lookin' one.
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They should just have the Challenger's quad full time angel eyes on the eChargEr, it sucks that BMW apparently can't stand them anymore. 
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Nobody has mentioned the fake exhaust thing yet? That might be how they can justify calling it an “EV muscle car”
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Elem7 posted:I mean, it actually kind of does matter, a lot, for how much actual force is absorbed into your body. The weight difference is so great between people and cars I'm really not sure the difference between 4500 and 6000 is actually more important. Yeah i mean i know it matters in terms of where the person goes, on top of the hood or under the car. Just being obtuse about the ridiculous weight of cars nowadays 
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Franco Caution posted:
I wouldn't be surprised to see the Pentastar V6 announced at a later date to take care of the boots, and the cops. The new Charger is a liftback in all forms, and it's a big car: 206.6" long (5247mm) and 79.8" wide (2026mm). The only cars as big as the new Charger are the full-size luxury sedans, e.g. S-Class, Genesis G90.
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The EV Charger being 2721kgs is a new level of absurd tho. For reference a RR Spectre is 2890kgs - Rolls Royce never was in the business of light cars so a FCA coupe to approach this weight without the luxury is just a real what the hell, esp when weight is a huge EV range killer.
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Godzilla07 posted:The new Charger is a liftback in all forms, and it's a big car: 206.6" long (5247mm) and 79.8" wide (2026mm). The only cars as big as the new Charger are the full-size luxury sedans, e.g. S-Class, Genesis G90. Sounds like they need to redeem this thing by bringing back the Magnum, a big AWD 700hp EV wagon doesn't sound so bad, maybe it give it some ridiculously named brown paint option, like brown noise shart, or something.
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:theres gonna be cash on the hood no doubt and i feel like most of those cars enter the market through Enterprise et al anyway Lotta cash on the hoods of Chargers and Challengers now, I'm seeing up to $15k off MSRP for R/T's, now's the time to get the last of the V8's.
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This is certainly something  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGAZkn11hcw Dodge appears to have contacted the Effects Studio behind the latest Flash movie in order to make a 10 minute 'thing' about the new Charger. There is some weird language in this. "THEY told us we couldnt sell HEMIS. So we took the rules, found the gray areas and used them, used them against them, to build a muscle car. To build a Dodge muscle car, and slide it under the wire that the regulators threw down in front of us like spike strips on the highway. " THIS AINT NO TYPICAL BATTERY ELECTRIC MELTED JELLY BEAN! Is this their plan on how to sell these to their regular customers? Culture War bullshit  (this will probably work)Dont let George Soros win. Order your next-gen Charger TODAY!
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lol @ american car companies constantly poking a stick into their own bicycle spokes
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Franco Caution posted:Is this their plan on how to sell these to their regular customers? Culture War bullshit
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CAT INTERCEPTOR posted:The EV Charger being 2721kgs is a new level of absurd tho. For reference a RR Spectre is 2890kgs - Rolls Royce never was in the business of light cars so a FCA coupe to approach this weight without the luxury is just a real what the hell, esp when weight is a huge EV range killer. I'd be fascinated to know what the performance difference would be if it was half or even two thirds of that weight.
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Paging Engineering Explained guy to do the math for us E: He does actually have a video on mass vs acceleration lol. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9cUIhVEJEaM gently caress it, let's do this. We have all the information to do the math in that Car and Driver article except the gear reduction, but it seems to work out to about 9.5 which is similar to what Tesla uses, from a quick google check, so probably about right.  Wait it's just linear lol. I guess IRL traction limitations with lower weight and air resistance would affect that mobby_6kl fucked around with this message at 13:57 on Mar 6, 2024 |
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Godzilla07 posted:I wouldn't be surprised to see the Pentastar V6 announced at a later date to take care of the boots, and the cops. .2" shy of needing clearance lights.  The widebody is going to be something.
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BloodBag posted:Mazda ahead of the curve once again. That knob system makes some people cry, but it's so intuitive once it's your car for a little while. Love the knob it’s the best
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