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victrix posted:oh it's the inverse that's hurting me, you absolutely should use the cutest and coolest characters Lots of single player mobile games have a meta. Plenty of elaborate strategy games too like Etrian Odyssey where there’s objectively better setups and you can’t just do what you want.
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MockingQuantum posted:Oh yeah then I agree wholeheartedly I will keep Alice in my SMT games till endgame.
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GateOfD posted:Lots of single player mobile games have a meta.
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JuniperCake posted:And at least 4 playthroughs if you want to get all the PAs, interactions/endings that are possible too. Didn't FF9 have something similar to Private Actions, or whatever it's called you're referring to here? I definitely recall the sfx jingle that played when there was one available. Was SO2 the first game to do that sort of thing?
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Ofecks posted:Didn't FF9 have something similar to Private Actions, or whatever it's called you're referring to here? I definitely recall the sfx jingle that played when there was one available. Was SO2 the first game to do that sort of thing? Pretty sure the first star ocean on SNES had Private actions too? But it's been a while so I might just be thinking of the remakes. I have to imagine some other game has had them before though but I can't think of any off the top of my head.
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GateOfD posted:Lots of single player mobile games have a meta.
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You can do what you want, but it's true that some of the classes are more equal than others. You can absolutely make Yggdroids work as part of your team in 3, but there's a reason everything always says Shogun are the stronger option, and it's not because the internet hates robots.
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Even in online games meta isn't "legally barred", it just means playing outside of it is considered suboptimal.
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Snake Maze posted:You can do what you want, but it's true that some of the classes are more equal than others. You can absolutely make Yggdroids work as part of your team in 3, but there's a reason everything always says Shogun are the stronger option, and it's not because the internet hates robots. and
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i don't worry about what guides say is the most powerful party build, i just experiment and have fun i think the only times where it really matters is bosses, particularly in EO V, but luckily if you want to bring a new party member in to experiment with a different class, they level up really quickly
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Most RPGs are easy in the sense that you can play very poorly relative to the optimal stuff and it won't affect your ability to beat the game. Maybe your enjoyment though.
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i think if you're the kind of person who is obsessed with character minmaxing and optimization then finding that out is going to be part of the fun of the game anyway
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Feels Villeneuve posted:i think if you're the kind of person who is obsessed with character minmaxing and optimization then finding that out is going to be part of the fun of the game anyway Weirdly I've found that doesn't really hold up. I've found a lot of the people who really get into minmaxing and optimizing don't really tie it to figuring out themselves and will look up guides/tutorial/etc on how to minmax most effectively. There's a pretty vocal group of people who mixnmax based off guides and such and then complain about the game being too easy because it's designed around people figuring things out themselves.
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kirbysuperstar posted:Think you missed the word 'original' in there  oops
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Everyone should use the characters/classes/strategies they like and for some people that is whatever is mechanically the strongest.
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WrightOfWay posted:Everyone should use the characters/classes/strategies they like and for some people that is whatever is mechanically the strongest. preferably they should play bad builds that they enjoy, when I get matched against them in a tournament
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My dream is to win EVO as Dan
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Feels Villeneuve posted:preferably they should play bad builds that they enjoy, when I get matched against them in a tournament The best swordsman in the world doesn't need to fear the second best swordsman in the world; no, the person for him to be afraid of is some ignorant antagonist who has never had a sword in his hand before; he doesn't do the thing he ought to do, and so the expert isn't prepared for him; he does the thing he ought not to do; and often it catches the expert out and ends him on the spot.
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nice fantasy, im gonna use the guys that are good though
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i remember that post about how you should use the pokemon that are your favorites and someone replied with something like "my favorite pokemon are volcarona, toxapex, blissey and landorous-t"
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don't worry, i'm sure your team of 6 luvdiscs will beat my team of ubers if you believe in yourself enough
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characters are just functions
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kirbysuperstar posted:characters are just functions you oval office, your function is bad opinons like this!
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Feels Villeneuve posted:i remember that post about how you should use the pokemon that are your favorites and someone replied with something like "my favorite pokemon are volcarona, toxapex, blissey and landorous-t" I do love Weavile because it's the little ice type that could though
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No Dignity posted:I do love Weavile because it's the little ice type that could though i think dragonite is my favorite "big cuddly dude" who is somehow great in every single game
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ImpAtom posted:Weirdly I've found that doesn't really hold up. I've found a lot of the people who really get into minmaxing and optimizing don't really tie it to figuring out themselves and will look up guides/tutorial/etc on how to minmax most effectively. There's a pretty vocal group of people who mixnmax based off guides and such and then complain about the game being too easy because it's designed around people figuring things out themselves. This is a problem that World of Warcraft and Minecraft created. As soon as Thottbot came out for WoW I was like "This is going to ruin the game" but I didn't realize it would ruin all of the games, forever. People have always used guides and had a sense that some strategies were better than others, but pre-2004, you weren't consulting wikis for every single decision in even a single-player game. What's worse is that some games now expect you to build for a meta and some expect you to just go in blind and have fun, and it's not always possible to tell which it is. And Smeargle is the best pokemon. He can learn all the moves!!
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Zokari posted:don't worry, i'm sure your team of 6 luvdiscs will beat my team of ubers if you believe in yourself enough There are people who do nothing but make gimmick builds to destroy uber teams because deploying 6 Mewtwos don't mean poo poo if you don't actually know what you're doing, while even weak Pokemon can do well if you understand the mechanics. A lot of people don't really get the mechanics, they just follow the meta builds, which in turn can make it entirely possible to wreck their poo poo with weaker Pokemon.
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thats just saying "if you are bad at the game then you will get beaten" which is kind of trivial for most competitive games
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Feels Villeneuve posted:i think dragonite is my favorite "big cuddly dude" who is somehow great in every single game Snorlax is the goated Just A Guy But Also Actually Good even if I'm not sure how well it holds up nowadays.
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Feels Villeneuve posted:thats just saying "if you are bad at the game then you will get beaten" which is kind of trivial for most competitive games Yes? That's the entire point of this discussion? The meta does not mean you win. It does not mean you are good at the game. It does not even necessarily mean the people who made the meta you are following are good at the game. There's plenty of games where the current meta is not actually an ideal one, just one people absolutely stuck to because nobody actually bothered to question it. (See: like 85% of the Fire Emblem discussion in the years 2003 to 2015 or so.) You can play outside of the meta and do great and you might even do better outside the meta than you do in it depending on things. (Like a fighting game character you like will probably do you better than whoever the Top S Rank Tier character is unless than character is a Labcoat 21.)
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I've heard chrono cross remastered has some performance issues, can anyone give me the rundown on that?
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ImpAtom posted:Yes? That's the entire point of this discussion? The meta does not mean you win. It does not mean you are good at the game. It does not even necessarily mean the people who made the meta you are following are good at the game. There's plenty of games where the current meta is not actually an ideal one, just one people absolutely stuck to because nobody actually bothered to question it. (See: like 85% of the Fire Emblem discussion in the years 2003 to 2015 or so.) i dont think that was the entire point of the discussion, i think the entire point was some people making up a guy to be mad at
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Nihilarian posted:I've heard chrono cross remastered has some performance issues, can anyone give me the rundown on that? When you boot up the game, it runs Chrono Cross, which is an issue that Square Enix has refused to address. 
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worm girl posted:When you boot up the game, it runs Chrono Cross, which is an issue that Square Enix has refused to address.
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Nihilarian posted:I've heard chrono cross remastered has some performance issues, can anyone give me the rundown on that? They actually patched it a year after release or something, I think it’s supposed to be good now
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Countblanc posted:i dont think that was the entire point of the discussion, i think the entire point was some people making up a guy to be mad at
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I absolutely feel like I'm missing something where people were angry.
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I am mad. I am melting down.
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