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Weka posted:100%. I meant more Islamic militants than puritans because as I understand it their is a fair bit of variety in this regard amongst successful groups. Yeah, by far the most successful groups are the ones who followed the Shiite political model of islamic militancy, those actually turned out to be capable of beating first world armies on the field, even sunni groups who follow that model like Hamas have had astounding success. and we are also seeing in Yemen how quickly a group that follows that model can stop the american navy. there's no arguing with results folks, the Iranians figured it out pretty decisively how to do this poo poo and it works.
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Weka posted:ICC. That's the one America is supposed to invade the Netherlands if they say imprison the Australian PM. oh right, thanks.
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Al-Saqr posted:Yeah, by far the most successful groups are the ones who followed the Shiite political model of islamic militancy, those actually turned out to be capable of beating first world armies on the field, even sunni groups who follow that model like Hamas have had astounding success. and we are also seeing in Yemen how quickly a group that follows that model can stop the american navy. alternatively can also bring the Kharijites back, time for a third option.
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I know someone posted some books/sources earlier in the thread, but I got a buddy who's on the edge but worried about bias from sources about the history of Palestine/Israel and what's happening now. I'm not a good enough speaker nor well versed enough to actually get him on board, but he's big on books and podcasts. I remember seeing some books written by Israeli or Jewish historians referenced earlier in the thread but stupidly didn't write them down and I'm not reading back through the whole thread for one or two posts. Does anyone remember any of those books or podcasts? Dry history isn't a bad thing, it doesn't need to be a super entertaining podcast or book.
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There's this from earlier in the thread https://archive.org/details/zionistrelations0000glub
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CODChimera posted:I sure hope they're unstoppable a rare headline that disproves betridges law
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seaborgium posted:I know someone posted some books/sources earlier in the thread, but I got a buddy who's on the edge but worried about bias from sources about the history of Palestine/Israel and what's happening now. I'm not a good enough speaker nor well versed enough to actually get him on board, but he's big on books and podcasts. I’m not a topical expert, but for some general recommendations: it’s an amorphous group, but you can point them to the Israeli New Historians e.g. Ilan Pappe’s History of Modern Palestine, Tom Segev’s One Palestine Complete. Stay away from Benny Morris. if they’re interested in American/Israel relations, The Israel Lobby and U.S. Foreign Policy by Mearshimer and Walt is good. I haven’t read it, but The Attack on the Liberty by James Scott is on my list. As for podcasts, I really liked “Fear and Loathing in the New Jerusalem”; it’s a long but engaging listen that provides a great overview of the Zionist movement leading up to the founding of Israel. IRL/on twitter, the host, Daryl Cooper, is a bit of, uh, fascist but it doesn’t bleed through into the narrative. maybe he took that turn later, idk.
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seaborgium posted:I know someone posted some books/sources earlier in the thread, but I got a buddy who's on the edge but worried about bias from sources about the history of Palestine/Israel and what's happening now. I'm not a good enough speaker nor well versed enough to actually get him on board, but he's big on books and podcasts. norman finkelstein's parents were in concentration camps and he basically wrote the book on palestine. he also has a million amazing interviews and speeches. edit: oh, yeah chomsky's written and talked about it a fair bit right? he's got a big name as well so that'll help get people take the first step. crepeface has issued a correction as of 06:08 on Mar 6, 2024 |
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Cool, thanks! And I don't know how I forgot about Norman Finkelstein.
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Al-Saqr posted:Yeah, by far the most successful groups are the ones who followed the Shiite political model of islamic militancy, those actually turned out to be capable of beating first world armies on the field, even sunni groups who follow that model like Hamas have had astounding success. and we are also seeing in Yemen how quickly a group that follows that model can stop the american navy. Don't forget the Taliban are Sunni. And Hamas isn't shiite either. What they are politically and militarily aligned insurgencies committed to working with whoever and whatever will help them. Pure pragmatism and discipline. Americans focus way too much on the Sunni/shiite divide. E: lol didn't see who I was replying to. Lol take what I said with a giant grain of salt then
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seaborgium posted:I know someone posted some books/sources earlier in the thread, but I got a buddy who's on the edge but worried about bias from sources about the history of Palestine/Israel and what's happening now. I'm not a good enough speaker nor well versed enough to actually get him on board, but he's big on books and podcasts. Here's a pretty good list: https://www.middleeasteye.net/discover/nakba-five-books-understand-ethnic-cleansing-palestine-creation-israel quote:Israeli historian and University of Exeter academic Ilan Pappe seeks to answer the question definitively in The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine, his tour de force study of the Nakba.
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seaborgium posted:Cool, thanks! yeah, i think because cspam's deep in the well, we tend to focus on obscure historical texts and forget the sources that are normie friendly here's also a good interview as well with an israeli guy who (iirc) had his brother killed by hamas but still ended up coming around on the issue of palestinian rights. quote:Brian Becker is joined by Miko Peled, a human rights activist, host of The Miko Peled Podcast, and author of “The General’s Son - A Journey of an Israeli in Palestine” and "Injustice: The Story of the Holy Land Foundation Five.” You can find his podcast, books, and much more at mikopeled.com. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4ivtdzbaOY
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crepeface posted:yeah, i think because cspam's deep in the well, we tend to focus on obscure historical texts and forget the sources that are normie friendly Why is youtube age restricting Miko Peled videos? lol He's good, I saw him speak in my town a month or so ago.
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Shageletic posted:Don't forget the Taliban are Sunni. And Hamas isn't shiite either. What they are politically and militarily aligned insurgencies committed to working with whoever and whatever will help them. Pure pragmatism and discipline. Americans focus way too much on the Sunni/shiite divide. i didnt say that being shiite was central to it i was saying that the model set forth by Iran and their mostly shiite allies have set forth a successfull example, Hamas despite being sunni copied and learned from their allies iranians and Hezbollah and the results have been wildly successful
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Shageletic posted:Don't forget the Taliban are Sunni. I wonder how much of their success can be credited to cross cultural exchange with Iran. They are right next door, both Persian and speak a mutually intelligible language. Death By The Blues posted:alternatively can also bring the Kharijites back, time for a third option. We don't need more anal sectarian guys who somehow end up fighting for America
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Death By The Blues posted:alternatively can also bring the Kharijites back, time for a third option. The last thing the Middle East needs is more takfiris
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mcmagic posted:Why is youtube age restricting Miko Peled videos? lol I think the channel sometimes plays B-roll gaza footage in the background so that's why. I only listened (not watched) so I can't say for sure if there was anything objectionable in there l.
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Death By The Blues posted:alternatively can also bring the Kharijites back, time for a third option. gently caress you say
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They already exist, what is called Abadi sect in Oman. They have been entirely consistently pro Gaza, and Yemen even during the civil war, they also kept their airspace open for Qatar when the ill-fated “blockade” the uae along with egypt, bahrain and saudi arabia tried to pull on them. Coincidentally it shows how much of a tool alot of dogfucker regimes are in the middle east because none of these conflicts are really sectarian its just a vineer for the absolutely dumbest people, nobody really cares what sect you are.
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seaborgium posted:I know someone posted some books/sources earlier in the thread, but I got a buddy who's on the edge but worried about bias from sources about the history of Palestine/Israel and what's happening now. I'm not a good enough speaker nor well versed enough to actually get him on board, but he's big on books and podcasts. illan pappe 10 myths about israel
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Fizzil posted:They already exist, what is called Abadi sect in Oman. They have been entirely consistently pro Gaza, and Yemen even during the civil war, they also kept their airspace open for Qatar when the ill-fated “blockade” the uae along with egypt, bahrain and saudi arabia tried to pull on them. Interesting, thanks Some people do and it's wild to me with everything else going on
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ah gently caress, the houthis have discovered the giantdad build
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Source: The Economist https://www.economist.com/finance-and-economics/2024/03/05/can-israel-afford-to-wage-war Can Israel afford to wage war? Mar 5th 2024 In the next few weeks, Binyamin Netanyahu, Israel’s prime minister, hopes to gain final parliamentary approval for an emergency war budget. It includes more cash for settlers in the West Bank, as well as for religious schools, where teenagers study the Torah rather than science—part of an attempt to unite his fissiparous political coalition. But it also contains a startling break with the past. Everyday welfare spending (long generous in Israel, owing to its socialist foundations) will be slashed to fund the country’s armed forces. The military budget will almost double from 2023 to 2024. Israel’s unwritten social contract, which has for 70-odd years promised both a generous welfare state and a fearsome military, is under threat... ... the war is proving more expensive than expected. Between October and December Israel’s economy shrank by a fifth at an annualised rate, compared with the previous three months—more than twice the contraction predicted by the Bank of Israel. In the same period, over 750,000 people, or a sixth of the labour force, were away from work, many of them evacuees or reservists. Last month Moody’s, a rating agency, downgraded the country’s credit rating for the first time ever.... ... On the eve of Hamas’s attack on October 7th, Israel’s debt-to-gdp ratio was 60%, well below the average in the oecd group of mostly rich countries. From October to December, the armed forces burned through 30bn shekels ($8bn) on top of their usual spending, an amount equivalent to 2% of gdp. And it is not just a bigger budget for the armed forces; the government is also splashing out on accommodation for evacuees, several furlough schemes and support for reservists. Israeli policymakers think that a debt ratio of 66% would be manageable. Mr Netanyahu’s budget would target an annual fiscal deficit of 6.6% of gdp—enough to produce a debt ratio of around 75%.... ... Should the country’s tech industry be wounded, perhaps in a war involving other regional powers, up to a quarter of the country’s income-tax take would be at risk... ... Israel’s tax take in 2022 was worth 33% of gdp, just below the oecd average of 34%. Yet Mr Netanyahu’s budget includes only modest increases. Value-added tax will rise by one percentage point to 18%; a health tax on incomes will go up by 0.15 percentage points. Policymakers worry that raising corporate taxes would cause the tech sector, which is highly mobile and already struggling to find workers, to flee the country. Harsher taxes on households would risk depressing consumption and make life harder still for those who are already struggling because of the war. ... Construction is at a standstill. Farms have lost more than half their workforce. And companies involved in tourism are suffering. In January 77% fewer tourists visited Jerusalem than a year ago... ... war has exacerbated longstanding problems. One is the economy’s reliance on low-paid Palestinian workers. The West Bank may import as many goods from Israel as before the war, but its 210,000 day labourers—equivalent to 5% of Israel’s workforce—cannot get out. Their permits were cancelled after October 7th, and Israel’s government is refusing to let them back in. Farms, factories and building sites lack workers. Yet many industrialists are in two minds. “We need the Palestinians, but we cannot be dependent on them,” says one. Israel’s labour market is already uber-tight. Bringing in foreign workers is slow and expensive, and the country’s workforce is less than half the size of its total population. Half of the men in Israel’s Orthodox population, which is the country’s fastest-growing group, refuse to work on religious grounds. Those who do are often woefully undereducated, having attended religious schools. Much the same is true of Arab Israelis, the community with the second-highest fertility rate. And in January new rules extended military service from 32 to 36 months for men, further depleting the labour force... ... The welfare ministry, which is also responsible for caring for evacuees and returned hostages, will have to take an 8% cut under Mr Netanyahu’s budget — far above that faced by most other civilian ministries. The ministry has already come under fire for its lacklustre support of 135,000 Israelis evacuated from the country’s north and south. It has done little other than pay their hotel bills; now officials are reportedly pressing families to return. If Israel remains under Mr Netanhayu’s mismanagement, other ministries will experience similar treatment. Even if he steps down, however, Israel will have to make hard choices between the two pillars of its social contract: its armed forces and its welfare state.
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hey mom its 420 posted:hamas ftw
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Strep Vote posted:One of the running themes of the Abrahamic religions is that God has some unreasonable expectations for a bunch of animals with souls but we do our best. Originally god wanted Muslims to pray 50 times a day and Moses had to encourage Mohammed to bargain him down because that's just unrealistic. God created the universe and has infinite wisdom but is as petulant as a toddler and holds a grudge like a catty teenager.
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Fizzil posted:They already exist, what is called Abadi sect in Oman. They have been entirely consistently pro Gaza, and Yemen even during the civil war lmao I have a bunch of Ibadi and non-Ibadi Omani students this year. Talking about how the different sects developed and the real, not-racist differences is part of it, but I always include the Kharijite -> Ibadi transition and the Mihna cementing Ahmed ibn Hanbal's school of fiqh into place and leading to the dissolution of the Mu'tazila school, and one of the Ibadi students was like "What if they think I'm in a cult?" No one cares, people don't even know how their own sect works 90% of the time. Mormon Star Wars has issued a correction as of 10:17 on Mar 6, 2024 |
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hey mom its 420 posted:hamas ftw
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Mormon Star Wars posted:No one cares, people don't even know how their own sect works 90% of the time. This 100% most religious people id argue will have different positions from one person to another
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fizziester posted:Source: The Economist how many ends of the candle can we burn at once
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Arc Hammer posted:https://twitter.com/CBCNews/status/1765200417086996516?t=8FuvFOMX9aGUm4RiqeAPjA&s=19 liberals realising that soft power is the only power they have too late after the fact
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Tarnop posted:Time to send in the IMF inshallah
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