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Orbs
Apr 1, 2009
~Liberation~

sharknado slashfic posted:

Hell yeah the orb center owns
Thank you!! I've been working hard on it when I have moments to spare.

Also, uh... has the dot ever been purple before...? I am trying so hard not to strongly interpret, but :stare:

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Bilirubin
Feb 16, 2014

The sanctioned action is to CHUG


Squizzle posted:

it should only accept the space person coins from yesterday-ish

only accepts coins from Ghana

helta
Jun 16, 2018

going back to my roots

Orbs posted:

Thank you!! I've been working hard on it when I have moments to spare.

Also, uh... has the dot ever been purple before...? I am trying so hard not to strongly interpret, but :stare:

*taps the sign

sharknado slashfic
Jun 24, 2011

Bilirubin posted:

only accepts coins from Ghana

Lol

Dr. Jerrold Coe
Feb 6, 2021

Is it me?

sharknado slashfic posted:

loving all the people Charles Berlitz ripped off were right

helta
Jun 16, 2018

going back to my roots

https://twitter.com/rosscoulthart/status/1765196411203891371?t=dEN7EIwtcwf05Bv3N3Hk8g&s=19

Inspector Hound
Jul 14, 2003


They're the ones who released the stupid videos in the first place, why are they doing this its been years

toggle
Nov 7, 2005


thought that read PR sphincter for a second there

Delta-Wye
Sep 29, 2005
Gough!!!! :argh:

The Saucer Hovers
May 16, 2005

bless you

SniperWoreConverse
Mar 20, 2010



Gun Saliva

mediaphage posted:

not one of his better videos imo, especially the part about “oh we can’t get off the planet so we’ll just never care about anything we see up there” seemed a little silly
    yeah, but:
  • he's just reporting on some doctor professor guy's paper, i think he doesn't even really buy it himself that much
  • if your world is iced or smogged over or panthalassic enough you maybe can't look up, and maybe few people can look in
  • there's still at least some value to the concept of the "locked in" factor when trying to describe what's maybe going on out there
it's an interesting take that while life may be extremely common, even intelligent and sophisticated life, the circumstances where people can effectively get out and get noticed is what might actually be what's rare. Rare earth (:jerkbag:) + the whole "wait they are really fuckin it up big time, gotta get them to not do this" theory + you would want something humanesque-enough as a proxy or ally or complex or idk xenoecological symbiont (?) is sort of, well
:birdthunk:"hmm."
Why would you try to build your way out of a nearly impossible to breach fishbowl scenario, when you can get someone else to escort you out? Especially if it were easier for them to do, even if you have to wait for them to go from tying a rock to a stick to what your goal is? The actual details of your cultivated humanlike doesn't matter that much, it's if you can locate and get somebody onboard with you, for whatever "somebody" means, and whatever "you" means, you now have access to goals otherwise outside the fishbowl restriction even if they're just more basic things like surviving your sun going red giant or w/e. The "fishbowl" itself is not even for sure literally being trapped in a gravity well you can't build out from, it could be any enclosure you can't free yourself from, but this outside implement eventually could do whatever actions on your behalf that you want done.

Alternately, this can put species like humans or whatever who actually do survive and don't filter themselves out in the position of being absolutely insane incomprehensible beings that are in some cases going to be the definitive out of context problem. Even if there are people living under the surface of Europa who are as or more culturally and technologically advanced as us, if they somehow inexplicably haven't realized there's something on the other side of the ice, and we show up, would it not be sombering to them? Yeesh. We'd really have a strong moral responsibility to get our poo poo together, wouldn't we? Sounds like a lot of work, if it was us being some sort of star people from the outer darkness. Maybe instead we should make number go up?

Yet if we had the ability to develop some basic semblance of a universal xenobiology and xenolinguistics and poo poo like this, you know ethics and sciences, this would be the actual enlightenment era, right? Unless we immediately trip down the pit of atrocities trying to fellate ourselves again. Could dream i guess. It'd be cool to shitpost with the slugs from neptune.

antidote
Jun 15, 2005

Good Soldier Svejk posted:

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anybody have a screenshot saved?

I would also like to know.

What's the point of posting poo poo and deleting it immediately.

SniperWoreConverse
Mar 20, 2010



Gun Saliva
Bob fish was on secret missions to monitor the Bermuda triangle tftd base and all his undeniable & clear footage of uap emerging was confiscated and delivered to write Paterson in the 70s because blue book never ended, just the public part.

Squizzle
Apr 24, 2008




i woke up at 2:30am because my knee feels like a knife has been slipped under the patella from one side, and yet there is no knife visible

is this aliens or a govt psychic attack

Fitzy Fitz
May 14, 2005




Squizzle posted:

i woke up at 2:30am because my knee feels like a knife has been slipped under the patella from one side, and yet there is no knife visible

is this aliens or a govt psychic attack

Voodoo, actually

Orbs
Apr 1, 2009
~Liberation~

Squizzle posted:

i woke up at 2:30am because my knee feels like a knife has been slipped under the patella from one side, and yet there is no knife visible

is this aliens or a govt psychic attack
If you're posting in this thread, I would say probably gov psychic attack. Gov or the church. Stay safe, fellow dreamer.

Speaking of dreams, mine are gradually returning since quitting weed a couple weeks ago. Most are very hazy, and the one today was a nightmare about being force-fed some kind of chemical while I slept (apparently I was Inceptioning and in at least two layers deep?). But I still welcome them, because the rest of my days feel so much better now. :stoked:

SKULL.GIF
Jan 20, 2017


SniperWoreConverse posted:

Bob fish was on secret missions to monitor the Bermuda triangle tftd base and all his undeniable & clear footage of uap emerging was confiscated and delivered to write Paterson in the 70s because blue book never ended, just the public part.

There is also apparently a secret underwater military base east of Miami.

helta
Jun 16, 2018

going back to my roots

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/we-need-to-investigate-ufos-but-without-the-distraction-of-conspiracy/

more poo poo from sean k!

Good Soldier Svejk
Jul 5, 2010

Gonna open an investigation into just why Sean Kirkpatrick blows with the full fury of the four winds

Fitzy Fitz
May 14, 2005




He sure is loud lately.

Orbs
Apr 1, 2009
~Liberation~

quote:

Unfortunately, some who have been peripherally involved in these programs are taking advantage of the lack of understanding of security compartmentalization among the public—and some members of Congress—and feel that exposure of national security activities is a public right.
Yes. It is in fact a fundamental right for the people to know what the gently caress their government is doing, supposedly in their name.

quote:

The harm of such exposure would be incalculable: billions of dollars and decades invested in military capabilities exposed to our potential adversaries to satisfy ill-informed curiosity.
History will not forgive or forget what you chose over the truth, Sean.

afroserty
Apr 22, 2010
Sean, what were you doing when they employed you? I think that was your job???

inchworm
Jun 23, 2023

quote:

harm

quote:

billions of dollars and decades invested in military capabilities

disclosing big smart mantle bugs that may or may not eat people and greys is more harmful than everything our hell nation did

Delta-Wye
Sep 29, 2005
imagine wasting tremendous amounts of public wealth of wunderwaffe boondoggles and when someone asks what you've been doing with all the money, getting away with "idk its a secret" as an answer

Delta-Wye
Sep 29, 2005
no no you don't see, ive wasted so much goddamn money its doubly imperative that i don't tell you

Fitzy Fitz
May 14, 2005




From the latest Georgia Backroads magazine (enlarge to full size to read)

Brain Curry
Feb 15, 2007

People think that I'm lazy
People think that I'm this fool because
I give a fuck about the government
I didn't graduate from high school



SKULL.GIF posted:

There is also apparently a secret underwater military base east of Miami.

not too secret but yeah

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantic_Undersea_Test_and_Evaluation_Center

Polo-Rican
Jul 4, 2004

emptyquote my posts or die

"Maybe The Public Should Know About UFO Stuff But Only if You Promise Not To Be Mad"

sharknado slashfic
Jun 24, 2011

There's no way Bob Fish was tasked with monitoring the underwater birds, that's too on the nose

sharknado slashfic
Jun 24, 2011


Plato rolling in his grave (yeah I know)

LITERALLY A BIRD
Sep 27, 2008

I knew you were trouble
when you flew in

After reading that article D-Pad shared the other day ("The Most Dangerous Idea") I picked up a book by one of the people whom the article author cites a number of times, Jeffrey Kripel. Mr. Kripel has published many books but I chose to start reading The Superhumanities: Historical Precedents, Moral Objections, New Realities. Here he discusses the proposal that an ability to do magic, or exercise superhuman abilities, was once an acknowledged component of the human condition. Ethics, philosophy, and religion were once not just matters of morality but also the ways humanity could develop themselves to harness those abilities; abilities that our current monotheistic/materialistic paradigm attempts to deny even existing. This has thus reduced "the humanities" from studies of the ways we have successfully manifested our Divine or psychic potential, studies of both our past and our still-possible future, to studies perceived as the empty idolatry of literature, art, and history.

So far I don't disagree with anything he has been saying really, but I find his narrative voice distractingly annoying and so I am going to return my Kindle copy while I am still within that window. Rip.

Before I do that, here is the section I just finished reading in case anyone is interested enough by his premise/this excerpt to try one of his books out for themselves. Like, from what I've read so far not only do I not think he is wrong, but also he keeps inadvertently supporting idle speculations I have been finding myself having as all my reading continues to coalesce. There is probably someone in this thread who has been looking for books to read by this guy exactly. But I am not that person. Argh.

The Superhumanities posted:

Ontological Polytheism and Moral Pluralism

The cultural psychologist and anthropologist Richard Shweder, with whom I opened my reality experiments, has laid out as clearly as anyone our three options for resolving the glaring problem of religious and cultural diversity—the problem of why there are so many different symbolic forms in the cultures and religions of the world. Enter Shweder’s essay “Post-Nietzschean Anthropology: The Idea of Multiple Objective Worlds.”

Shweder begins the essay by pointing out that such symbolic forms, “all those things that people around the world say and do about witches, ghosts, and spirit possession,” are believed to “refer or point beyond themselves to another realm.”96 But how exactly are we supposed to understand such claims, particularly when there are so many of them, and they are all so different? Take again the seemingly simple question, “Why do we see people claiming to be witches in almost every culture, and in contexts involving no coercion or threat?”

Shweder sees three basic options.

The first option is what he calls ontological atheism. This is the null hypothesis, which, for Shweder, was first clearly articulated by Friedrich Nietzsche and was most famously and smartly announced in the potent phrase, “God is dead.” This declaration, which is announced by Zarathustra in the opening parable of Thus Spoke Zarathustra, happens to correspond with what I have called the seer’s mystical realization in August 1881. “Around 1882 Nietzsche thought he had the answer to the witch question. Many contemporary cultural anthropologists think he was right.”97

This particular answer solves the problem of the plurality of the symbolic forms of the history of religions—all that magic, Mesmerism, and magnetism—by simply arguing that they refer to nothing at all. Their differences need not be our concern because of the same null reference. They are so much fancy or illusion in the head. The answer to the witch question can be paraphrased in this way, then: “There are no witches. We can ask what functions these beliefs serve, but it simply makes no sense to ask to what realities such symbols might point, since there are no such other realms. There are only social functions here, in this world.”

The second option is what Shweder calls ontological polytheism. This option reads the endless symbolic forms of the history of religions as evidence for an endless series of actual reality-posits—that is, of different realities: “According to the ontological polytheists the framework of reality is multiplex in disjoint planes, and it makes sense to interpret diversity as though there is more than one objective world.”98 The answer to the witch question would go like this, then: “People claim to be witches in so many cultures because there are witches. Magic really works in some reality-posits, and so people experience themselves as witches. They are correct to do so.”

As I understand it, this is the option that Shweder adopts in the essay, the idea of multiple objective worlds of his subtitle. Or, in Shweder’s post-Nietzscheanism, “monotheism is dead,” but polytheism is quite alive and well. In this polytheistic reality, plurality is not a problem but a gift, since “cultural variety illuminates the multiplicity of objective worlds.”99

But Shweder also recognizes a third option. This is a kind of mediation between the first and second options. It does not deny the different symbolic forms of human cultures as referring to nothing, as the first option does, but neither does it accept them on their own terms, as the second seems to do. In effect, this third option lines them up in a developmental or normative progression or hierarchy. In effect, this third option argues “that reality is uniform or homogenous, and that symbolic forms and reality-posits are not uniform and homogenous around the world because not everyone is equally in touch with reality.”100

Shweder is fully aware of how destabilizing his own position—ontological polytheism—can be. He summarizes what he does not hesitate to call a “universal truth” this way: “the knowable world is incomplete if seen from any one point of view, incoherent if seen from all points of view at once, and empty if seen from nowhere in particular.”101 Comparison, real unflinching comparison, is mind-bending.

As we move into our next chapter, it is very important to recognize that Shweder’s ontological polytheism also implies a moral pluralism, which is not at all the same thing as moral relativism, conventionalism, or subjectivism. It is simply not the case for Shweder that “anything goes.” His is a strong middle position between moral relativism (the ethical is simply a matter of local convention or personal opinion) and moral universalism (there is an objective and absolute moral law that different cultures approximate to different degrees)—a “universalism without uniformity,” as he puts it. What this means is that “there is no single and complete rational ordering of morally relevant goods.” What this entails is the capaciousness to not assume or suggest that “objective reality is devoid of moral truths,” that “those who disagree with our judgments of right and wrong are either moral cretins or barbarians,” or that “one’s own way of life is the only possible flowering of the ideals of an objective moral character.”102

In this admittedly rare humility, it can be said that every society works from a particular moral logic, often of a passionate and normative nature (and so is moral in its own terms), but these moral logics are in ethnographic fact different, sometimes very different. To put some detail on these philosophical abstractions, there are multiple ethical worlds around what Shweder and his colleagues have identified as the three moral clusters of autonomy, community, and divinity. In the summaries of the moral psychologist Jonathan Haidt (who studied with Shweder), these are, in order: “the idea that people are, first and foremost, autonomous individuals with wants, needs, and preferences”; “the idea that people are, first and foremost, members of larger entities such as families, teams, armies, companies, tribes, and nations”; and “the idea that people are, first and foremost, temporary vessels within which a divine soul has been implanted.”103

Such a global framing is actually quite helpful in our present context, as we can easily see through such a comparative construct that the modern academy generally only values the legitimacy or existence of the first and second moral clusters (autonomy and, to a lesser extent, community), whereas what I am calling the superhumanities tries to integrate or negotiate a relationship between the first (autonomy) and the second (community) and third (divinity), with a strong accent on the third. The contemporary humanities, in other words, “solve” the comparative challenge by essentially deleting or erasing any serious cross-cultural ontological discussion (the “divinity” of the third cluster) and asserting, or just assuming, its own clearly Western and obviously modern individualism and sociology, with the human being now nothing but a historically conditioned and fully material social organism who should be entirely autonomous (but never is).

Many, of course, who do not fall clearly into Shweder’s first answer to human diversity (ontological atheism or the null hypothesis) are not so certain. I know that I bounce somewhere between the second and third options (ontological polytheism and a normative spiritual cross-cultural development). I should add, though, that my working hypothesis of a dual-aspect monism, which I am about to introduce under the poetic banner of the Human as Two, aligns quite well with the nondualisms of Hindu and Buddhist Asia, not with my own birth culture and its Christian theisms, unless someone like the papally censored Meister Eckhart and his astonishing German sermons are held to represent these same Christian traditions—a real stretch, I assure you. I ultimately think that the radical Hindus and esoteric Buddhists are simply more correct about the nature of reality than the believing theists.104 So perhaps I adopt option three.

Or maybe the theists are correct, too, or correct enough, living in their own reality-posits, which they themselves cocreate everyday through ritual, belief, custom, and institution. The real can certainly become “God,” if that is what you want and work hard enough to cocreate through ritual, will, and prayer.105 Certainly, Meister Eckhart said as much: God emerges from worship and belief, somewhere between the abysmal Ground and human belief.

pancake rabbit
Feb 21, 2011




https://www.theblackvault.com/docum...man-matt-gaetz/



friendship ended with orb

now egg is my best friend

Chas McGill
Oct 29, 2010

loves Fat Philippe
I want to know more about the 'silurian hypothesis' cos the concept is fun. Can anyone recommend a book/podcast episode/video about it? Sceptical stuff also welcome. I just love the idea of extremely ancient things.

pancake rabbit
Feb 21, 2011




Chas McGill posted:

I want to know more about the 'silurian hypothesis' cos the concept is fun. Can anyone recommend a book/podcast episode/video about it? Sceptical stuff also welcome. I just love the idea of extremely ancient things.

AJ did a video about it, depending on your feelings about the fish, his stuff is usually pretty entertaining

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lASPp9stEYA

Ben Nerevarine
Apr 14, 2006

Chas McGill posted:

I want to know more about the 'silurian hypothesis' cos the concept is fun. Can anyone recommend a book/podcast episode/video about it? Sceptical stuff also welcome. I just love the idea of extremely ancient things.

this isn’t specifically about the Silurian hypothesis but it features heavily

https://www.bernardokastrup.com/2024/01/uaps-and-non-human-intelligence-what-is.html

030524_3
Mar 5, 2024
:thanks:

Riot Bimbo
Dec 28, 2006


created thing whose job is to make humans do things for the entertainment of something above them: yeah this seems like a legit target of worship

Barry Foster
Dec 24, 2007

What is going wrong with that one (face is longer than it should be)
I too find Kripal kind of annoying and/or suspicious, and the fact he's openly connected with Whitley Strieber makes him all the more suspicious.

Edit: I find the NDE crowd generally more trustworthy, for whatever reason. I guess because the NDE phenomenon is more common(?) and that they all tend to be genuine medical professionals

EDIT EDIT been at my best friend's dad's funeral today. I was dreading it but it wound up being such a wonderfully close and lovely and healing experience. Death is a mysterious old thing, my friends. And life is but a dream

Barry Foster has issued a correction as of 23:54 on Mar 6, 2024

Spergin Morlock
Aug 8, 2009

Orbs posted:

Yes. It is in fact a fundamental right for the people to know what the gently caress their government is doing, supposedly in their name.

History will not forgive or forget what you chose over the truth, Sean.

I'm pretty sure Congress is pissed off because SAPs have been "self funding" and not informing the gang of 8. I don't think Gaetz, Luna, Burchett et all will push for fully public disclosure once they're in the circle lol

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Spergin Morlock
Aug 8, 2009


why don't you ever reuse your other accounts when the 1 day expires? is it that important for your username to match the date it's posting on?

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