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Platonicsolid posted:It's been said here and elsewhere that no laws can truly protect democracy if the majority wants to go fascist. ... Hell, that nicely illustrates the problem - under our deeply flawed system he didn't even need that majority to get the office to begin with.
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Musk would own trump. Likely owning a clogged shitter.  "The Times cited three people briefed on Sunday's private meeting in Palm Beach but who spoke to the newspaper on condition of anonymity. According to the Times, Trump met with Musk and a few wealthy Republican donors on Sunday and hopes to have a one-on-one discussion soon with Musk" https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-meets-with-musk-republican-donors-florida-nyt-reports-2024-03-06/
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Probably trying to get multiple one on one meetings with Elon so he can keep asking for $500 million at different levels of the k-hole.
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If Musk paid the money, why would Trump ve in any way loyal to him? Like I get that is how transactional relationships are supposed to go, but doesn't Trump's past actions show that he views people who give him things as suckers?
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The Question IRL posted:If Musk paid the money, why would Trump ve in any way loyal to him? Yeah, but musk is far, far to dumb to of picked up on any of that. trump may be very garbage and obvious con man but he's easy good enough to get money from a mark like musk.
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Elon Musk is exactly the kind of schmuck who would look at Trump's record of backstabbing absolutely everyone who has ever entered into a business relationship with the man and decide to cut him a check anyway.
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I would think Musk would at least be smart enough to draw up a contract. Especially for some kind of bigger kickbacks concerning Tesla or Spacex subsidies if Trump were ever elected. OgNar fucked around with this message at 11:13 on Mar 6, 2024 |
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Ratoslov posted:Elon Musk is exactly the kind of schmuck who would look at Trump's record of backstabbing absolutely everyone who has ever entered into a business relationship with the man and decide to cut him a check anyway. He must have been awfully lucky in his life so far.
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Surely its $500 million for Trump to re-join twitter and the kickback is Elon gets a slice of the potential trump presidency pie. Makes good sense for Musk as its all funny money anyway so it doesn't really exist.
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If you think Musk is smart enough to provide and sign contracts that pass muster, I have a $20bn company to sell you for $44bn.
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OgNar posted:I would think Musk would at least be smart enough to draw up a contract.
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OgNar posted:I would think Musk would at least be smart enough to draw up a contract. Musk might be the only person dumb enough to check all the boxes for a bribery conviction.
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Specifically as an example: https://bsky.app/profile/zoeschiffer.bsky.social/post/3kmvgfbsukx2o ... https://bsky.app/profile/zoeschiffer.bsky.social/post/3kmvghmhi462t   Here he is being sued for non payment of termination payouts and in the filing they quote him telling his biographer his entire plan to illegally screw them out of said pay, as he did it, which the biographer then published with Musk's approval.
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A literal mycrimes.txt in publication. Outstanding.
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Really have to wonder what his/X's lawyer's reaction was to hearing that not only did he specifically instruct someone to do this, and not only was it for the explicit purpose of screwing over people on severance pay, but that he also okayed the entire plan to be published in a book, stating that the purpose of the act was to screw people out of their money. I'll sure as gently caress bet it wasn't "What a masterful stroke, sir"!
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Also I'm pretty sure you can't just give somebody $500 million. Like I don't think that's allowed.
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The Question IRL posted:If Musk paid the money, why would Trump ve in any way loyal to him? Musk isn't doing this because he wants to buy Trump's personal loyalty, he's doing it because he's absolutely MAGA-brained and thinks only someone like Trump can save the country from Democrats' socialist open-borders policies. I'm sure he'd like to have Trump's personal loyalty, but he'd do this even if he didn't get it. Why? Because one of his kids once came out as trans and said billionaires were bad for society, and he'll never forgive the Democrats for indoctrinating the kids with their radical brainwashing.
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Randalor posted:Really have to wonder what his/X's lawyer's reaction was to hearing that not only did he specifically instruct someone to do this, and not only was it for the explicit purpose of screwing over people on severance pay, but that he also okayed the entire plan to be published in a book, stating that the purpose of the act was to screw people out of their money. mdemone posted:Also I'm pretty sure you can't just give somebody $500 million. Like I don't think that's allowed. DTurtle fucked around with this message at 15:58 on Mar 6, 2024 |
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mdemone posted:Also I'm pretty sure you can't just give somebody $500 million. Like I don't think that's allowed. Sure you can - if they pay taxes
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wet_goods posted:Sure you can - if they pay taxes Well that's obviously not going to happen then
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Also Musk doesn't have $500 million in cash just sitting in a checking account somewhere, he's going to have to liquidate some assets
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It's really cool that a presidential candidate is openly meeting with a foreign billionaire to get a bribe so he can pay his legal bills. That's just a super cool thing that happens now. Great.
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Hey, Elon is a US citizen! Just because he committed visa fraud in the process is irrelevant... now.
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Tesseraction posted:Hey, Elon is a US citizen! Just because he committed visa fraud in the process is irrelevant... now. Actually that's like one of the very few ways you can lose naturalization, and if not for his stupid amounts of money he'd probably would have lost it. What I'm saying is Elon Musk should be deported.
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mdemone posted:Also I'm pretty sure you can't just give somebody $500 million. Like I don't think that's allowed. "give" ? Musk is merely buying an original Baron Trump painting from the Trump Organization's fire sale
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Just some quick back-of-the-envelope math, 500/.6 = 833 million accounting for tax. That's an incredibly funny number to hand to someone that isn't even going to pretend like they're repaying it.
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Scags McDouglas posted:Just some quick back-of-the-envelope math, 500/.6 = 833 million accounting for tax. That's an incredibly funny number to hand to someone that isn't even going to pretend like they're repaying it. DTurtle fucked around with this message at 00:48 on Mar 7, 2024 |
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Could Elon just pay the money himself?
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Main Paineframe posted:Musk isn't doing this because he wants to buy Trump's personal loyalty, he's doing it because he's absolutely MAGA-brained and thinks only someone like Trump can save the country from Democrats' socialist open-borders policies.
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Gort posted:Could Elon just pay the money himself? No.
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Main Paineframe posted:Musk isn't doing this because he wants to buy Trump's personal loyalty, he's doing it because he's absolutely MAGA-brained and thinks only someone like Trump can save the country from Democrats' socialist open-borders policies. The funny thing about this is I remember Musk leaving Trump's council or whatever it was over Trump's positions on climate change. Since then, Biden signed historic climate change legislation and climate disasters have been getting absolutely worse and worse. Yet the brain poison brought Musk back to Republicans.
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mdemone posted:No. Can you explain? Liquidate Tesla stock, hand it over to Trump, Musk pays a gift tax next year. Why is this impossible?
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small butter posted:Can you explain? I don't know a lot about trading stocks, but if you're selling stock, don't you need a buyer? And would the act of trying to dump that much stock create a market ripple which would depress the value of the stock so that he'd need to dump more? Would selling that much be considered a form of market manipulation and be slapped down by the SEC?
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small butter posted:Can you explain? Executives like him have to file with the SEC way in advance to sell shares. It’s why they typically take loans backed by their shares when they need money.
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Musk can generate liquidity in ways other than selling stock friends. One of the most common ways is taking loans with capital (stocks) as collateral.
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Musk is already tanking the value of several of his companies, and I feel like giving Trump a near-billion dollars is the kind of thing that would prompt a panicked sell-off.
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Musk works out a deal with Trump wherein Musk loans Trump the $500mil and Trump repays him via the liquidation of Truth Social/DWAC stock, and then Trump returns to twitter. Wham bam.
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 https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1765397025967710542 Nevertheless, there is a lot of wiggle room here, several weeks to go, and no particular reason to believe anything Musk says on or off Twitter is permanently binding haveblue fucked around with this message at 19:32 on Mar 6, 2024 |
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haveblue posted:
Hell he doesn't seem to think anything he says to lawyers or signs on paper is binding. Give him a big enough dose of special K and anything can happen.
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"What I'm doing is buying the Republican candidate."
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