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i think that kind of thing mutated from talking points about how the scale of the AIDS epidemic has kind of been forgotten for younger generations so instead of that you get reheated anti-gay talking points
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Mar 7, 2024 15:35
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The Saddest Rhino posted:Oh yeah I forgot the plot of the sparrow but I remember it ruled hard and was a absolutely devastating read. I should check his video out It's genius too because you know the events fairly early on - it's the revelation of the context of them that's the real gut punch. I finished it before bed one night and couldn't sleep I was pacing around my room because of how strongly it affected me. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xz5KHF2wV-U People posting massive spoilers in the comments so avoid them more than usual. Groovelord Neato fucked around with this message at 15:44 on Mar 7, 2024 |
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Mar 7, 2024 15:38
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Captain Invictus posted:a must-watch for any megas xlr fan(or giant robot fan really): 
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Mar 7, 2024 15:39
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mycatscrimes posted:It was a pretty popular talking point on Tumblr, a kind of morphing of legit intercommunity discussion of respectability politics and priorities in activism via the eternal hot take machine until it turned into something totally insane. Freddie DeBoer, back when he had a blog, had the exact same take as Somerton in reponse to the people he saw as "tumblr".
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Mar 7, 2024 15:46
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Kunster posted:Freddie DeBoer, back when he had a blog, had the exact same take as Somerton in reponse to the people he saw as "tumblr". in fact "the gender people are cringe and scaring off the real working class" is like the coldest, most overdone take you can have if you want to play to the "dissident left" crowd
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Mar 7, 2024 15:48
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For some reason, I kind of want to see someone like SaberSpark cover Hotel E. Out of morbid curiosity.
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Mar 7, 2024 15:51
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obviously trans people who intended seriously to like, live as their preferred gender at all times existed back in the day, but there is definitely an undercurrent, yeah. like the idea of a trans person who is very firm about their gender identity but not especially transgressive or out there in other ways *really* sets some people off. wonder why.
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Mar 7, 2024 15:51
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Kunster posted:Freddie DeBoer, back when he had a blog, had the exact same take as Somerton in reponse to the people he saw as "tumblr". he still has a blog, on substack
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Mar 7, 2024 16:04
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I'm aware, I dunno if he's still proud enough of that take to bring it to substack tho.
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Mar 7, 2024 16:04
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https://twitter.com/ThoughtSlime/status/1765753816459207005
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Mar 7, 2024 16:09
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Feels Villeneuve posted:in fact "the gender people are cringe and scaring off the real working class" is like the coldest, most overdone take you can have if you want to play to the "dissident left" crowd To be clear, the "hot take" I'm discussing that I saw had nothing to do with talking about "tumblr genders" or cringe, it was a homegrown sentiment that people who did not have sufficiently radical aesthetics were assimilationist gays and that things like marriage rights were assimilationist priorities- a result purely of respectability politics, not arising from legitimate concerns. It carried a big whiff of the "boring gays vs cool gays" rhetoric Somerton employs in his video, and absolutely did invoke the aids epidemic in a similar way. It came from the same communities that the dissident left would be deriding as cringe and scaring off the "real" working class. Mind you, I totally believe that there were people outside the community spouting similar rhetoric from different angles. If anything, I think the diversity of places this rhetoric is encountered, and the different people it gets targeted at, is further evidence of it being an incoherent criticism based in homophobia. It's not like people willing to prioritize their personal comfort and ability to assimilate over the well-being of the community don't exist and aren't worth discussing when planning activism and messaging, but the way it is wielded in the social media sphere is often just an attempt to win arguments by positioning the arguer as the 'good' gays and their opponents as the 'bad' gays, or as you describe, to weaponize homophobia against gay people from outside the community. The older I get the more I feel like it's impossible to have these kinds of discussions productively in an online social media environment. mycatscrimes fucked around with this message at 17:06 on Mar 7, 2024 |
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Mar 7, 2024 16:58
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Captain Invictus posted:they sure are Seconding this. Metal Warriors kicks rear end. There was a small video rental place where I used to live that still rented out SNES games well into the mid2000s and this one of the few they still had.
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Mar 7, 2024 17:04
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mycatscrimes posted:The older I get the more I feel like it's impossible to have these kinds of discussions productively in an online social media environment. I think you can have some discussions but it depends on the platform. And really difficult stuff demands a level of personal and communal respect to talk though that’s super hard to establish in online spaces bigger than a discord of people you trust.
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Mar 7, 2024 17:34
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yeah there is a major difference between having "difficult" conversations in the context of like, academic discussions, discussions among a small group of people, versus posting it on social media, or worst of all, disseminating it as Content for your youtube channel like apart from the obvious issues with this, there's also stuff like how - things like this in academia are (hopefully) nuanced, and carefully stated, and then all that gets flattened out for social media buzz into its most inflammatory possible form Feels Villeneuve fucked around with this message at 17:39 on Mar 7, 2024 |
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Mar 7, 2024 17:37
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Youtube is best used for videos of happy betta fish in adequately sized tanks with live plants, not for discussions, imo. Here's a really cute one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wLCfstqOfsw&t=1s
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Mar 7, 2024 17:41
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aquarium youtube....
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Mar 7, 2024 17:42
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mycatscrimes posted:To be clear, the "hot take" I'm discussing that I saw had nothing to do with talking about "tumblr genders" or cringe, it was a homegrown sentiment that people who did not have sufficiently radical aesthetics were assimilationist gays and that things like marriage rights were assimilationist priorities- a result purely of respectability politics, not arising from legitimate concerns. It sorta feels like people (in multiple independent instances) took the idea of queerness being anti-establishment or transgressive and mutated it into "being a queer is a political act (which you can be bad at)". Which is not really much different from the old school homophobe idea that people choose to be gay or trans because they want to be special snowflakes, lol. mycot fucked around with this message at 17:53 on Mar 7, 2024 |
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Mar 7, 2024 17:50
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Feels Villeneuve posted:aquarium youtube.... aquarium chuds....on youtube
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Mar 7, 2024 17:54
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Mercury Hat posted:yeah I think "all the cool gays died of AIDS and only the loser boring ones care about marriage" was a unique take from him lol Didn't that take basically originate because Somerton (Or someone Somerton plagiarized, or overzealous members of the queer community on Tumblr who Somerton plagiarized) took a tongue-in-cheek quote about Andrew Lloyd Webber literally? Gravitas Shortfall posted:idk maybe modern stuff is different but even Evangelion's promos for the next episode had "and there'll be more fanservice!" as if that is what I was watching for. I'm gonna be honest, I feel like there's actually two factors at play with the trend of sexualization of underage characters in anime: One of which is that it seems like the perceived "appropriate" age threshold for sexualizing a character is a couple of years lower in Japan, which I think we can all agree is skeevy but I think involves a degree of cultural difference that can't really be pinned directly on the creators themselves. Then there's also just a niche within anime that's being bankrolled by and for creepos that sexualizes much younger characters that even within Japanese society is acknowledged as being completely unacceptable and gross.
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Mar 7, 2024 17:56
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mycatscrimes posted:The older I get the more I feel like it's impossible to have these kinds of discussions productively in an online social media environment. Productive discussion and online social media are opposed to one another. There's too many ways for other people to jump in, too much performance, too much defense of identity. This wouldn't be a problem if it felt like it was rare, but instead, I think discussions over serious things, things that require reflection and somber thought, seem to be some of the most common and most vitriolic things on the platforms. It's not that big of a deal that you can't talk about what gay normalcy means on tumblr. That's fine. But that feels like the only place that a lot of people are. Feels Villeneuve posted:yeah there is a major difference between having "difficult" conversations in the context of like, academic discussions, discussions among a small group of people, versus posting it on social media, or worst of all, disseminating it as Content for your youtube channel Basically this, yeah this is what I was saying. Privilege, for example, is basically just an epistemological truth: you can't know about things you're totally unaware of. But somehow this extremely understandable concept that everyone gets became a hated foe that rallied reactionaries all over the world. How? By never letting the actual academic concept be discussed. Honestly the social sciences need a lingua franca. Most of the bullshit we've dealt with in the past 8 goddamn years has been caused by innocuous concepts that share names with other things.
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Mar 7, 2024 17:56
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Famethrowa posted:aquarium chuds....on youtube perhaps red betta fish are suspiciously chudly... mycot posted:It sorta feels like people (in multiple independent instances) took the idea of queerness being anti-establishment or transgressive and mutated it into "being a queer is a political act (which you can be bad at)". Which is not really much different from the old school homophobe idea that people choose to be gay or trans because they want to be special snowflakes, lol. Yeah, I agree with this assessment.
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Mar 7, 2024 17:56
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Famethrowa posted:A CHUD???? Famethrowa posted:found out today that brickmasta420 took a break from his Lego unboxing to say the 14 words....a CHUD on youtube.... Famethrowa posted:I heard he's a chud Famethrowa posted:chuds on YouTube Famethrowa posted:shes a chud on youtube Famethrowa posted:drat so many chuds.... Famethrowa posted:learning and growing and realizing that the streamer is a chud..... Famethrowa posted:aquarium chuds....on youtube drat... some funny poo poo
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Mar 7, 2024 17:59
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Famethrowa posted:aquarium chuds....on youtube Which fish is the most chud. Aquarium experts only
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Mar 7, 2024 18:00
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Feels Villeneuve posted:Which fish is the most chud. Aquarium experts only It's arowanas. I will not share my methodology for coming to this conclusion.
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Mar 7, 2024 18:02
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Feels Villeneuve posted:Which fish is the most chud. Aquarium experts only I mean, pretty obviously the catfish: They often bury themselves in the sand and have been known to eat other members of their species, fulfilling two of the four categories of chud.
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Mar 7, 2024 18:03
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the species of fish that you catch in stardew valley called chubs are actually chuds
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Mar 7, 2024 18:06
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mycatscrimes posted:Youtube is best used for videos of happy betta fish in adequately sized tanks with live plants, not for discussions, imo. Famethrowa posted:aquarium chuds....on youtube This channel out of Washington has a pile of content from a long time meganerd. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0zF6mMjIsU Edit for good point mycatscrimes posted:important note for link nonclickers that Chris is himself an Asian guy B33rChiller fucked around with this message at 19:01 on Mar 7, 2024 |
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Mar 7, 2024 18:08
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B33rChiller posted:One of Chris' earlier vids on setting up a planted tank suggested "get yourself an Asian guy" as a good way to source plants, lol. important note for link nonclickers that Chris is himself an Asian guy
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Mar 7, 2024 18:09
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B33rChiller posted:This channel out of Washington has a pile of content from a long time meganerd. Aquarium co-op FTW And if you're mostly into the scaping and planting, Serpa Designs is excellent as well. https://www.youtube.com/@SerpaDesign/videos I'm always a bit skeptical with youtubers who do a lot of work with animals, but as far as I have seen Tanner's husbandry is excellent and he's even done work with various animal preservation and education organizations in exhibit design.
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Mar 7, 2024 18:11
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KingKalamari posted:I'm gonna be honest, I feel like there's actually two factors at play with the trend of sexualization of underage characters in anime: One of which is that it seems like the perceived "appropriate" age threshold for sexualizing a character is a couple of years lower in Japan, which I think we can all agree is skeevy but I think involves a degree of cultural difference that can't really be pinned directly on the creators themselves. Then there's also just a niche within anime that's being bankrolled by and for creepos that sexualizes much younger characters that even within Japanese society is acknowledged as being completely unacceptable and gross. I don’t feel like it’s fair to say one Japan finds it more acceptable to objectify teen girls than, say, the US or something similar. Like American cape comics still struggle to draw teen girls that don’t look like twenty something bikini models. Or you could look at the discourse around Euphoria and the broader depictions of teen sex and sexuality or all those American shows that use twenty somethings for teenagers so they can be leered at. You can also look at how pop media obsesses over kids who got famous from tv and movie acting or blowing up on social media, policing their conduct or gossiping about who they’re dating. It’s all weird poo poo.
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Mar 7, 2024 18:38
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the ways they approach sexuality are different and we're more inured to the way american media sexualizes women in general, is also a factor
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Mar 7, 2024 18:45
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Nuns with Guns posted:I don’t feel like it’s fair to say one Japan finds it more acceptable to objectify teen girls than, say, the US or something similar. Like American cape comics still struggle to draw teen girls that don’t look like twenty something bikini models. Or you could look at the discourse around Euphoria and the broader depictions of teen sex and sexuality or all those American shows that use twenty somethings for teenagers so they can be leered at. You can also look at how pop media obsesses over kids who got famous from tv and movie acting or blowing up on social media, policing their conduct or gossiping about who they’re dating. It’s all weird poo poo. Funny you should mention that, because I originally started writing up a section in my post specifically talking about most of the stuff you mentioned, specifically how there was way more sexualization of teenagers in American media until fairly recently (I think the statements the creators of Clone High made a few years ago about the challenges in writing for the revival series because the kind of super-horny, sexualized teen soap operas that the original series was a parody of weren't as much a cornerstone of the media landscape as they were back in 2003), and I think your response kind of shows my own clumsiness in expressing my point as I fully agree with everything you're saying and sort of had that in mind when writing my post. I think the point that I was trying to get at was, as Endorph mentioned: Endorph posted:the ways they approach sexuality are different and we're more inured to the way american media sexualizes women in general, is also a factor
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Mar 7, 2024 18:54
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another factor also is that in japan a lot of the weirder stuff airs at like 3:30 am on a channel nobody has while in the west its just on a streaming service next to dragon ball z
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Mar 7, 2024 18:58
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Gravitas Shortfall posted:drat... some funny poo poo wow.... that's a lot of chuds...... lobster shirt posted:the species of fish that you catch in stardew valley called chubs are actually chuds
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Mar 7, 2024 19:11
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KingKalamari posted:Funny you should mention that, because I originally started writing up a section in my post specifically talking about most of the stuff you mentioned, specifically how there was way more sexualization of teenagers in American media until fairly recently (I think the statements the creators of Clone High made a few years ago about the challenges in writing for the revival series because the kind of super-horny, sexualized teen soap operas that the original series was a parody of weren't as much a cornerstone of the media landscape as they were back in 2003), and I think your response kind of shows my own clumsiness in expressing my point as I fully agree with everything you're saying and sort of had that in mind when writing my post. Well the thing is that usually its teenagers attracted to other teenagers (portrayed by adult actors). Where japan has a problem of adult or near adult characters lusting over young teenagers/preteens (or characters that look like they are). I think the problem is over-exaggerated, but I don't think the whataboutism arguments are relevant here.
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Mar 7, 2024 19:18
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Nuns with Guns posted:I don’t feel like it’s fair to say one Japan finds it more acceptable to objectify teen girls than, say, the US or something similar. Like American cape comics still struggle to draw teen girls that don’t look like twenty something bikini models. Or you could look at the discourse around Euphoria and the broader depictions of teen sex and sexuality or all those American shows that use twenty somethings for teenagers so they can be leered at. You can also look at how pop media obsesses over kids who got famous from tv and movie acting or blowing up on social media, policing their conduct or gossiping about who they’re dating. It’s all weird poo poo. this reminds me that like every single time bruce timm is involved with batgirl it gets gross in one way or another
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Mar 7, 2024 19:22
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IShallRiseAgain posted:Well the thing is that usually its teenagers attracted to other teenagers (portrayed by adult actors). Where japan has a problem of adult or near adult characters lusting over young teenagers/preteens (or characters that look like they are). I think the problem is over-exaggerated, but I don't think the whataboutism arguments are relevant here. Yeah something like Riverdale (nobody is even remotely convincing as a highschool student) is not even in the same conversation imo. Stuff like the creepiness surrounding the Stranger Things actors is so much worse. To tie this back into the thread subject Jenny's Vampire Diaries video pokes fun at how the series starts in highschool and lasted for like 10 years. mycot fucked around with this message at 19:30 on Mar 7, 2024 |
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Mar 7, 2024 19:25
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Catgirl Al Capone posted:this reminds me that like every single time bruce timm is involved with batgirl it gets gross in one way or another
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Mar 7, 2024 19:30
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There are some translated books that deal with criticism (in the semi academic sense)that touch close to this topic: Beautiful Fighting Girl is the only one I’ve ever finished reading, but there’s some others I haven’t read. I’m sure there’s a ton of critical analysis that needs to be translated. I generally think if you’re going to bucket in an entire culture on any single thing there’s a lot of nuance being lost.
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Mar 7, 2024 19:30
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mycot posted:To tie this back into the thread subject Jenny's Vampire Diaries video pokes fun at how the series starts in highschool and lasted for like 10 years.
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