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Crain posted:The comic was good as a stand alone piece, it really did not need to be animated and it didn't need to be held up as "Art" with a capital A. Same with Watchmen, V for Vendetta, From Hell... Actually I thinking Hollywood just had a really bad phase of being way too into Alan Moore works. Moore and Frank Miller (pause for lols) were for a long-assed time the only comic book writers who got held up as capital-A Artists within the medium. I cannot count the times I remember seeing the headline "Pow! Zoom! Comics Aren't Just For Kids Anymore!" and the article would inevitably lean on Watchmen and DKR as the prime examples of "serious, adult comics."
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Mar 7, 2024 21:42
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Dawgstar posted:Superman: TAS has my favorite iteration of Lobo, voiced by Brad Garrett. Every once in awhile you read something as an adult that connects two puzzle pieces that have been lying around in your brain since you were a child
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Mar 7, 2024 22:02
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Crain posted:The comic was good as a stand alone piece, it really did not need to be animated and it didn't need to be held up as "Art" with a capital A. Same with Watchmen, V for Vendetta, From Hell... Actually I thinking Hollywood just had a really bad phase of being way too into Alan Moore works. Mal-3 posted:Moore and Frank Miller (pause for lols) were for a long-assed time the only comic book writers who got held up as capital-A Artists within the medium. I cannot count the times I remember seeing the headline "Pow! Zoom! Comics Aren't Just For Kids Anymore!" and the article would inevitably lean on Watchmen and DKR as the prime examples of "serious, adult comics." The push to adapt these works id, I think at least, really indicative of unexamined cognitive dissonance within certain comics enthusiasts and their desire for legitimacy - The idea of comics being made into movies as a sign of their legitimacy which inadvertently delegitimizes comics as a medium. So I've actually long been a proponent of the idea of comics as literature in the sense that I think it's a medium capable of telling impactful stories in ways that other mediums can't, and I want to see the artform grow and evolve. However, in my escapades in online comics spaces I've realized that there's another contingent within the "comics as literature" discussion who have a somewhat different agenda - Fans of Marvel and DC superhero comics, or other stories traditionally seen as consumerist, mass market or otherwise "low art" (If you'll pardon my french) who desperately want the things they already like to be seen as legitimate by the mainstream. This second camp isn't necessarily concerned so much with seeing the medium of comics used to tell more nuanced and complex stories so much as they want to be taken seriously for being really into Batman, and I think it's the existence of this second contingent that leads to stuff like The Killing Joke or Watchmen or TDKR getting so much attention as "comics that aren't just for kids anymore" because these are cases of writers within the Marvel/DC space doing slightly more challenging things with the medium but still staying firmly within the comfort zone of the mainstream comics fans. Sort of like when gamers really wanted to insist Bioshock Infinite was True Art to prove Roger Ebert wrong.
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Mar 7, 2024 22:02
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https://twitter.com/Variety/status/1744133333305508106 remembering when neil druckmann was at the golden globes because of the last of us tv show and he posed for photos and literally nobody took one
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Mar 7, 2024 22:04
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neil dreckmann
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Mar 7, 2024 22:05
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"we don't use the word fun" - druckmann they also don't use the word good either Endorph posted:https://twitter.com/Variety/status/1744133333305508106 Lol
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Mar 7, 2024 22:08
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Endorph posted:https://twitter.com/Variety/status/1744133333305508106 "Hello darkness my old friend..."
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Mar 7, 2024 22:13
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16-bit Butt-Head posted:the mr freeze episode owns freeze kicking rear end until he meets a psychotic skeleton made of radiation who kicks his rear end And that skeleton's name is Derek. Derek the skeleton.
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Mar 7, 2024 22:17
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Endorph posted:https://twitter.com/Variety/status/1744133333305508106 lmao he wants to make serious movies so bad
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Mar 7, 2024 22:23
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the sequels and prequels to watchmen that completely misunderstood the characters and universe owned
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Mar 7, 2024 22:24
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16-bit Butt-Head posted:lmao he wants to make serious movies so bad He's absolutely somebody who still fumes to himself that his idol Roger Ebert never appreciated the artistic merits of video games.
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Mar 7, 2024 22:25
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Rorschach is a violent psychopath that hates women and is disgusted by sex and intimacy so what if he befriended a prostitute and pperhaps fell in love with her and rode in a cab driven by travis bickle
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Mar 7, 2024 22:25
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16-bit Butt-Head posted:Rorschach is a violent psychopath that hates women and is disgusted by sex and intimacy so what if he befriended a prostitute and pperhaps fell in love with her and rode in a cab driven by travis bickle sounds like a lovely story. good to see character growth, and evolution.
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Mar 7, 2024 22:26
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Fil5000 posted:And that skeleton's name is Derek. Derek the skeleton. Derry the skelly I call him.
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Mar 7, 2024 22:28
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one of the other moments in before watchmen that is very funny is the Comedian being sad by JFK's assassination when he sees it on the tv
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Mar 7, 2024 22:30
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KingKalamari posted:The push to adapt these works id, I think at least, really indicative of unexamined cognitive dissonance within certain comics enthusiasts and their desire for legitimacy - The idea of comics being made into movies as a sign of their legitimacy which inadvertently delegitimizes comics as a medium. People trying to force something to be "recognized" as Art usually fail because, like you said, they're working backwards. Alan Moore wants to tell gritty dark stories with cool characters, he doesn't want to be seen as an "Artist" on par with Da Vinci or Cervantes. His work can have merit certainly, but it's a different entity. Bioshock Infinite was the same. People were desperate for there to be something they could point at and say "See, it's Art!", and ended up choosing something that only barely had a minimal "serious" story line, while completely ignoring multiple titles from the past which could more easily be pointed at as having artistic merit. Even worse, there seemed to be this requirement that, for something in either comics or games (and to a lesser extent literature and cinema) to be considered "Art", it must also have been commercially successful. So the indie scene got completely ignored. Thankfully we now have Disco Elysium and the question of "Is Games Art?" has been answered with "Yes, They is". Crain fucked around with this message at 22:36 on Mar 7, 2024 |
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Mar 7, 2024 22:33
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disco elysium was okay but its not as good an adventure game as various sega saturn dating sims
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Mar 7, 2024 22:43
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Crain posted:Thankfully we now have Disco Elysium and the question of "Is Games Art?" has been answered with "Yes, They is". but Deus Ex came out in 2000
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Mar 7, 2024 22:45
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Endorph posted:disco elysium was okay but its not as good an adventure game as various sega saturn dating sims Oh man you missed out on the secret dating quest lines. I'm so sorry.
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Mar 7, 2024 22:46
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cumpantry posted:but Deus Ex came out in 2000 Phantasy Star came out in 1987.
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Mar 7, 2024 22:47
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Tennis for Two is art.
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Mar 7, 2024 22:47
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gamers are obsessed with getting validation from serious critics like roger ebert instead of doing what is most important... playing fun rear end video games
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Mar 7, 2024 22:48
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bioshock infinite was rear end and roger ebert would have called it rear end
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Mar 7, 2024 22:49
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The first half of Infinite is fun from a fiasco sort of standpoint and then the second half is exceedingly boring until the ending twists happen. The last thing you do game wise is just a lovely wave based horde mode.
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Mar 7, 2024 22:52
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remember the ghost lady boss fight
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Mar 7, 2024 22:53
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the oldest game is probably the sport of wrestling and as we all know wrestling is art
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Mar 7, 2024 22:55
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it was funny how desperately people wanted the girl in that game to be a feminist revolution and then infinite's only legacy is porn of her
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Mar 7, 2024 22:55
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Feels Villeneuve posted:the oldest game is probably the sport of wrestling and as we all know wrestling is art War is older and somebody wrote a whole book about how it’s art.
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Mar 7, 2024 22:57
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finally a female character in a game that does things (throws ammo packs and health items at you occasionally)
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Mar 7, 2024 22:58
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Feels Villeneuve posted:the oldest game is probably the sport of wrestling and as we all know wrestling is art Wrong, throwing rocks at people absolutely predates wrestling. TheMightyBoops posted:War is older and somebody wrote a whole book about how it’s art. I love how the Art of War has like 3 stages of understanding to it: 1) This is one of the most important books ever written. 2) This poo poo is just the most obvious tips on how to not gently caress things up. One of the lessons is literally "If you're thinking of loving up, don't"! 3) Oh, it's basic and obvious because it was written for horrifically disconnected Royal Courtesans who had never left the palace and didn't understand things like "You need to actually pay and feed your army". Crain fucked around with this message at 23:04 on Mar 7, 2024 |
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Mar 7, 2024 23:00
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Disco Elysium is a fun idea for a game that couldn't hold my attention sadly. But I'm not against that being done in another type of game that I would enjoy. Would love to explore a booby trapped ruin or Resident Evil mansion and have my sense of smell warn me that a bunch of spikes are about to shoot out of a bookcase or something.
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Mar 7, 2024 23:02
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Endorph posted:infinite's only legacy is porn of her In part because Levine apparently does not understand how the internet works and thought taking to it to ask people to stop making porn of her would result in anything besides an exponential increase in porn of her.
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Mar 7, 2024 23:03
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RareAcumen posted:Disco Elysium is a fun idea for a game that couldn't hold my attention sadly. Would love to explore a booby trapped ruin or Resident Evil mansion and have my sense of smell warn me that a bunch of spikes are about to shoot out of a bookcase or something. This reminds me that Jeff Gerstmann bought an AI driven smellovision for video games: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWgWVWV94hs
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Mar 7, 2024 23:04
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the epic bioshock infinite twist that the minorities and poor being oppressed by the evil fundamentalist racists are just as bad as the evil fundamentalist racists ftw
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Mar 7, 2024 23:07
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16-bit Butt-Head posted:the epic bioshock infinite twist that the minorities and poor being oppressed by the evil fundamentalist racists are just as bad as the evil fundamentalist racists ftw Yeah I actually thought the main sci-fi plot with alternate universes and the "twin" scientists and that was kinda neat but this part sucks so bad and brings everything else down.
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Mar 7, 2024 23:09
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Crain posted:Wrong, throwing rocks at people absolutely predates wrestling. the art of war is a good text for understanding the basics of warfare and is incredibly important but, it is also designed to be the basics of warfare presented in an easily digestible manner. its something everyone who might possibly be adjacent to command of troops was expected to understand. its the ancient chinese equivalent of a high school math book. but like, the first high school math book ever written was pretty important.
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Mar 7, 2024 23:12
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Booker DeWitt.
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Mar 7, 2024 23:14
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Endorph posted:it was funny how desperately people wanted the girl in that game to be a feminist revolution and then infinite's only legacy is porn of her Until recently we had it to thank for dumpstering Levine's career before idiots gave him money and a fresh studio. Sad to see a man poo poo on his own legacy that way...
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Mar 7, 2024 23:14
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Constantly being harassed by Songbird only to Wolololo him at the end of the game and get an Ultimate on cool down for the final battle. Sucks that Elizabeth is way more powerful and fun in cutscenes than she is in any of the fights.
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Mar 7, 2024 23:14
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how was i supposed to know i'm comstock, dude? no one every explained this is bullshit
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