MLB N/V Spring Training: Aroldis touching the upper 90s again.

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Penisaurus Sex: Feb 3, 2009; asdfghjklpoiuyt

Stanek to the Mariners.

Not a bad add to the middle of the bullpen.

# ? Mar 8, 2024 17:51

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# ? May 28, 2024 04:07

zoux: Apr 28, 2006

The Ryne Stanek experience. Great stuff, tons of walks. He's All-Star caliber when he's got it dialed in, tho

# ? Mar 8, 2024 18:00

Gobias Ind.: Apr 5, 2007; If your girlfriend says hey to me that's our girlfriend now idc

Hell yeah, why not?

https://twitter.com/Buster_ESPN/status/1766165032595784167?t=lB5AByMxaysBZvBo09iHtQ&s=19

# ? Mar 8, 2024 19:18

bawfuls: Oct 28, 2009

a farewell tour in Toronto is as good a finale for Votto as we could have hoped for, once the Reds said no

# ? Mar 8, 2024 19:20

Bregor: May 31, 2013; People are idiots, Leslie.

Just checked Roster Resource and they also have Vogelbach on an NRI. They really do not want Kirk or Jansen getting any starts at DH do they

But who cares, Votto owns and I hope he plays til he's 50

# ? Mar 8, 2024 19:25

zoux: Apr 28, 2006

Make sure he gets the Albert Pujols Farewell Tour balls

# ? Mar 8, 2024 19:25

Intruder: Mar 5, 2003; I got a taste for blown saves

Stanek can be either the best bullpen arm in baseball or a trash fire with very little in between

# ? Mar 8, 2024 19:46

AlbertFlasher: Feb 14, 2006; Hulk Hogan and the Wrestling Boot Band

Gobias Ind. posted:

Hell yeah, why not?

https://twitter.com/Buster_ESPN/status/1766165032595784167?t=lB5AByMxaysBZvBo09iHtQ&s=19

Yay!

# ? Mar 8, 2024 19:47

Bregor: May 31, 2013; People are idiots, Leslie.

zoux posted:

Make sure he gets the Albert Pujols Farewell Tour balls

But enough about the new pants

# ? Mar 8, 2024 19:48

Kevlar v2.0: Dec 25, 2003; =^�⩊�^=

Bregor posted:

But enough about the new pants

# ? Mar 8, 2024 19:52

Eric the Mauve: May 8, 2012; Making you happy for a buck since 199X

Intruder posted:

Stanek can be either the best bullpen arm in baseball or a trash fire with very little in between

So, a reliever?

# ? Mar 8, 2024 20:05

Sydin: Oct 29, 2011; Another spring commute

https://twitter.com/JohnDenton555/status/1766180201875034435

"Two fractured ribs but we're hoping he'll be ready by opening day." :psyduck:

# ? Mar 8, 2024 20:53

zoux: Apr 28, 2006

How'd he do that.

# ? Mar 8, 2024 20:54

zoux: Apr 28, 2006

Good article on pitcher injuries in the Athletic, if for no other reason than it sums up the latest thinking on what the hell is going on. It's framed as "this famous elbow doctor thinks that breaking pitches are the culprit" but there's so much disagreement that again I must conclude that we don't have strong causal evidence for the rise in pitcher injuries.

quote:

Meister, who pioneered the hybrid elbow procedure that combines a traditional ligament reconstruction with the addition of an internal brace, said surgical techniques changed markedly over the past decade in response to how pitching evolved.

As teams increased their emphasis on velocity and stuff, injury-list placements for pitchers rose from 241 in 2010 to 552 in 2021 before decreasing slightly each of the past two seasons, according to a Major League Baseball spokesperson. The days pitchers spent on the IL more than doubled over a slightly longer span.

A hyperfocus on performance often begins at the youth level. Many pitchers experience problems before ever reaching the majors. The number of pitchers drafted in the top 10 rounds with a history of elbow reconstruction rose from six between 2011 and 2013 to 24 between 2021 and 2023, the league spokesperson said.

Meister, 62, said he repaired approximately 230 elbow ligaments last year and is �way ahead of that pace� this year. Shohei Ohtani threw more sweepers than anyone in baseball from 2021 to 2023 before undergoing his second major elbow procedure. Of course, pitchers who do not throw sweepers or power changeups also are getting hurt, as evidenced by the mounting injuries this spring.

The Boston Red Sox�s Lucas Giolito might require a second elbow reconstruction. The Houston Astros� Justin Verlander, New York Mets� Kodai Senga and Toronto Blue Jays� Kevin Gausman and Alek Manoah are among those dealing with shoulder issues. The San Francisco Giants� Sean Hjelle is out with an elbow problem, and Tristan Beck had surgery to remove an aneurysm in his arm.

And that is only a partial list.

�We used to say, you get your one TJ, you�re good. Then it was, you get 10 years out of one. Then it was seven to eight,� Meister said. �Now guys break down in three to five, depending upon who they are, the stuff they have, what they throw.�

.....

�Analytics says velo is super important,� said one pitching coach who was granted anonymity for his candor. �Pitchers and analysts pursue velo. The pitchers that don�t do this retire. The ones that stay take on some injury risk to avoid working at Costco.�

Meister, director of the Texas Metroplex Institute for Sports Medicine, acknowledges the dangers velocity poses. But, he said, �spin is worse.�

The sweeper puts tremendous stress on the inner elbow, Meister said. The power �movement� changeup, as Meister calls it, also puts inordinate strain on the arm. �And to throw these pitches,� he said, �you have to squeeze the crap out of the baseball.�

Years ago, Meister recalls hearing the late Johnny Sain, a former major-league pitcher and independent-minded pitching coach, say when a pitcher is holding a ball correctly, he should grip it in a way that he could throw a raw egg without breaking it.

Today it�s the opposite, Meister said. Pitchers apply a �death grip� to the ball, essentially pre-loading every muscle in their arms. At release, those muscles acutely lengthen in what is known as an �eccentric contraction.� The result can be almost like a hamstring tearing, affecting different pitchers in different parts of the arm.

�We�re seeing all these tears in the lat and teres, all these tears of the previously reconstructed ligament, a lot more flexor-tendon tears,� Meister said. �I can tell you it is a consequence of predominantly those two pitches � the sweeping slider and these hard movement changeups.�

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Not everyone in pitching research and coaching agrees with Meister�s belief that spin is more problematic than velocity.

�A sweeper is just a curveball with a different grip,� one pitching coach pointed out, adding that research is divided on the link between grip strength and spin rates. �And guys aren�t screwballing their changeups to get this movement. For both pitches, they are leveraging the seams to get it to move differently.�

Glenn Fleisig, Biomechanics Research Director for the American Sports Medicine Institute, also expressed doubt sweepers are cause for greater concern.

�We have not studied sweepers, per se, in the biomechanics lab, but we have shown in a number of studies that curveballs and sliders are no more stressful than fastballs,� Fleisig said in an email.

�Therefore, I have no reason to believe sweepers are more of an injury risk factor than other breaking pitches or fastballs. The science points to three main injury risk factors � effort (velocity is an indication of this within pitchers), amount of pitching and mechanics.�
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The caveat to research from Fleisig and others focusing on the risks of velocity is that at least one study from Driveline Baseball showed that stress on the elbow per mile per hour on the pitch is higher for secondary pitches like changeups and sliders. Thus, a pitcher who throws his slider as hard as his fastball actually will put more stress on his elbow.

# ? Mar 8, 2024 21:02

Eric the Mauve: May 8, 2012; Making you happy for a buck since 199X

lol breaking pitches damage elbow ligaments??? What revolutionary new fact will this renowned doctor/genius discover next? Playing catcher hurts your knees? Getting hit on the wrist by 97MPH fastballs hurts wrists?

# ? Mar 8, 2024 21:04

Dinosaurs!: May 22, 2003

Alright let them use spider tack again

# ? Mar 8, 2024 22:17

Chief McHeath: Apr 23, 2002

https://x.com/JeffPassan/status/1766214308227162578?s=20

# ? Mar 8, 2024 22:43

mcmagic: Jul 1, 2004; If you see this avatar while scrolling the succ zone, you have been visited by the mcmagic of shitty lib takes! Good luck and prosperity will come to you, but only if you reply "shut the fuck up mcmagic" to this post!

The Yankees, other than Juan Soto, have not hit AT ALL in the spring.

# ? Mar 8, 2024 22:48

bawfuls: Oct 28, 2009

poor Gavin Lux looked so bad at short so far in the spring that Mookie is now the "permanent, for now" shortstop with Lux at 2B

https://twitter.com/juanctoribio/status/1766220101685334186

# ? Mar 8, 2024 22:57

Wayne Knight: May 11, 2006

Penisaurus Sex posted:

Stanek to the Mariners.

Not a bad add to the middle of the bullpen.

Intruder posted:

Stanek can be either the best bullpen arm in baseball or a trash fire with very little in between

Sounds like mariners material to me!

# ? Mar 8, 2024 23:05

zoux: Apr 28, 2006

Permanent, for now means temporary.

# ? Mar 8, 2024 23:07

bawfuls: Oct 28, 2009

It means until they trade for Adames

# ? Mar 8, 2024 23:16

LobsterMobster: Oct 29, 2009; "I was being quiet and trying to be a good boy but he dialed the right combination to open the throw-down vault and it was on."

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zoux posted:

How'd he do that.

Too much Nootin'

# ? Mar 8, 2024 23:17

Vincent Van Goatse: Nov 8, 2006; Enjoy every sandwich.; Smellrose

at "permanent, for now". My dude that's not what words mean.

# ? Mar 8, 2024 23:20

Popete: Oct 6, 2009; This will make sure you don't suggest to the KDz
That he should grow greens instead of crushing on MCs; Grimey Drawer

How many right fielders have gone to starting short stop in their careers?

# ? Mar 8, 2024 23:24

TheFlyingLlama: Jan 2, 2013; You really think someone would do that? Just go on the internet and be a llama?

Zobrist is probably the closest, but he was pretty much always a "start some 100 games in RF this season, another 50 at 2B and 10 more across SS/1B/CF/LF" guy.

Other than that it's pretty much just "you're a SS/2B but we need your bat so we're going to try you in LF/RF for a few weeks, it fails and we move you back" like Jhonny Peralta in 2013

# ? Mar 8, 2024 23:40

bawfuls: Oct 28, 2009

probably similar to the number of MVP's who have also bowled 300

# ? Mar 8, 2024 23:41

The Pussy Boss: Nov 2, 2004

Well that's one way to solve their too-many-infielders problem :v:

Good thing they signed Candelario.

# ? Mar 8, 2024 23:47

TheFlyingLlama: Jan 2, 2013; You really think someone would do that? Just go on the internet and be a llama?

it is really funny looking at old red sox prospect lists and seeing Mookie Betts having "Jean Segura-lite potential" 4 prospects behind Garin Cecchini who's apparently a "future .300 hitter with 20-plus home run pop"

# ? Mar 8, 2024 23:54

bawfuls: Oct 28, 2009

Popete posted:

How many right fielders have gone to starting short stop in their careers?

slangs what you need

https://twitter.com/SlangsOnSports/status/1766234791106457824

# ? Mar 9, 2024 00:04

SilvergunSuperman: Aug 7, 2010

The perfect example of a who gives a gently caress baseball stat, narrowly beating out people that hit better than .350 on Fridays in June while having a mom named Mabel.

# ? Mar 9, 2024 00:11

tadashi: Feb 20, 2006

gently caress you, other baseball teams.

Love,

The Dodgers

# ? Mar 9, 2024 00:58

Mustached Demon: Nov 12, 2016

tadashi posted:

gently caress you, other baseball teams.

Love,

The Dodgers

Rude.

# ? Mar 9, 2024 01:01

FlamingLiberal: Jan 18, 2009; Would you like to play a game?

bawfuls posted:

slangs what you need

https://twitter.com/SlangsOnSports/status/1766234791106457824

Hopefully Mookie doesn't mysteriously disappear off of a train ride

# ? Mar 9, 2024 01:10

Dameius: Apr 3, 2006

tadashi posted:

gently caress you, other baseball teams.

Love,

The Dodgers

You forgot to post date that to the first week of October when the Dodgers exit the season.

# ? Mar 9, 2024 01:14

Eric the Mauve: May 8, 2012; Making you happy for a buck since 199X

bawfuls posted:

slangs what you need

https://twitter.com/SlangsOnSports/status/1766234791106457824

I guess that does it, it's all gonna end with Mookie getting drunk, getting thrown off a train and drowning in a river

# ? Mar 9, 2024 01:46

IcePhoenix: Sep 18, 2005; Take me to your Shida

Angel Hernandez ejected Lance Lynn today

# ? Mar 9, 2024 03:14

mcmagic: Jul 1, 2004; If you see this avatar while scrolling the succ zone, you have been visited by the mcmagic of shitty lib takes! Good luck and prosperity will come to you, but only if you reply "shut the fuck up mcmagic" to this post!

IcePhoenix posted:

Angel Hernandez ejected Lance Lynn today

How is angel hernandez still around lol

# ? Mar 9, 2024 03:23

Sydin: Oct 29, 2011; Another spring commute

mcmagic posted:

How is angel hernandez still around lol

The Umpire Union is strong as hell and whatever CBA they've got apparently just totally precludes any kind of dismissal for poor performance. Like ffs MLB was able to prove in a court of law that Angel sucked at his job but he's still around.

# ? Mar 9, 2024 03:44

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# ? May 28, 2024 04:07

howe_sam: Mar 7, 2013; Creepy little garbage eaters

TheFlyingLlama posted:

it is really funny looking at old red sox prospect lists and seeing Mookie Betts having "Jean Segura-lite potential" 4 prospects behind Garin Cecchini who's apparently a "future .300 hitter with 20-plus home run pop"

Mookie moved through the Red Sox farm system so fast after a sort of blah first season in Low A that the prospect lists never really had a chance to catch up. And by fast I mean he ended 2013 in High A, and the next season he played 50 games for the Red Sox.

# ? Mar 9, 2024 03:46

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