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WhiteHowler posted:It's a good car if you're not one of those people who thinks it's too ugly. I personally really like the way the Ioniq 6 looks, but I understand why people say it is polarizing. The pricing compares very favorably to the Ioniq 6 when you factor in the $7,500 Hyundai is discounting. Ioniq 6 RWD: $36,065; Model 3 RWD: $40,630. Ioniq 6 AWD: $39,565; Model 3 AWD: $49,380. Tesla isn't up front about the $1,390 delivery charge or $250 order charge when you look at the pricing on their website. Yes, I used the SE trim level for the Ioniq 6 pricing because it has way more standard equipment and a better interior (lowest of bars) even with the base trim level than the Model 3 does.
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do any of the RWD/AWD EVs have a notably different or worthwhile character as RWD cars, or are they pretty much all just worse, slower versions of their AWD siblings? Like people have historically appreciated stuff like RWD BMWs and Porsches over their xDrive/4 versions but aside from the new Lucid Air I don’t think anybody’s ever praised a RWD EV’s rear-biased character or slidiness or whatever. Even with the RWD Taycan I don’t think anybody’s been like “this is as good as the AWD model”
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I've wondered that too, are all the RWD EVs too electronically nannied to be fun and slidey?
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I know the volvo phev in hybrid the rear will break out if you want to and that's with only 143hp/220ft-lbs on the rear, it's pretty fun. In "pure" mode (rear EV motor only) it definitely acts as a regular RWD cars unless you really stomp on it and then the gas engine engages. It was a hoot during the recent snow/ice in a parking lot, some excellent donuts. I would say that anything that has some performance-y tuning like the AWD BMWs will act very rear-biased until it detects excessive slip in the traction and even that can be turned down usually through some settings. Most cars don't let you disable stuff like ABS anymore because it's just way better than the initial versions that were really intrusive. (and probably legal reasons mixed with protecting drivers from themselves)
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El Grillo posted:What are the good alternatives (if any) to a Model 3 these days? I haven't looked very closely at the EV market for a while. Most interested in equivalent range and charging speeds I suppose. You could look at the Polestar 2. Polestar has a lot fewer dealerships than Tesla, so YMMV on whether it even makes sense to look at this option. Price-wise and range-wise, it basically sits between a M3 and a M3LR. With Polestar's lease discounts (which they've been running for years) and destination charges baked in, that's currently $41k/44k/49k for M3, Polestar 2, and M3LR. Same layout, the ranges are 270/320/340 MSRP miles. Their max fast charging rates are 170/200/250 kW, although everything is equal at L1 and L2, and Teslas are known for having charging curves that fall much faster than other vehicles above 20% charge - in my opinion this is the parameter that matters the least, if you're primarily charging at fast chargers then you probably shouldn't buy a pure EV. Contrasting them: - Both are 4-door Sedans - Similar price range - Similar range - Similar charging speeds - Tesla has access to the supercharging network, but supposedly Polestar is switching to NACS and gaining access to that network in the future - I don't know if there's a date for this - Polestar has more physical buttons and actual door handles, Tesla relies more on the center console - Both have instrument panel maps, which I love - Polestar has a nicer interior but uses a cockpit layout for the front seats, which some people don't like - Both can be configured and ordered entirely online - Tesla quality control seems to be all over the place, Polestar issues tend to be in their wireless connectivity, losing cell or GPS coverage sporadically. - Tesla's driver assist software is reportedly very good, but "full self-driving" is a boldfaced lie - The Tesla UI kind of sucks in my opinion, I like the Polestar Android experience better - but that's user preference - Model 3 had higher user satisfaction, per JD Power. They include satisfaction with EV charging infrastructure in these scores, and by all accounts the supercharger network is top notch. They mention that the difference in charging reliability carried over a 200 point swing (out of 1000 points), so that may be carrying some water for Tesla's QC issues The Ioniq 6 is another car to consider. I don't know as much about it aside from that it has more range and has the same lease incentive as Polestar so it winds up being a bit cheaper, but you'll get an unpredictable amount of dealership markup/upsells and you get saddled with Hyundai's dogshit software. Seems like an excellent option overall, I just don't know as much about it.
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It looks like the Ioniq6 incentive is limited to dealer inventory and expires in a month; hopefully they renew it. Anyone here have any experience with Hyundai Ioniq6 availability? I recall people complaining that Ford dealerships are deliberately keeping inventories low because the salespeople said they don't make anything per sale? fwiw I think the Ioniq6 looks great, I never understood the complaints
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El Grillo posted:What are the good alternatives (if any) to a Model 3 these days? I haven't looked very closely at the EV market for a while. Most interested in equivalent range and charging speeds I suppose. BYD Seal if your in the UK. You guys should also be getting new MG models in the next year or so and those look really nice.
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Been lurking in here for quite a while. Just did my taxes and I don't qualify for the tax credit now, so I guess all cars (minus Tesla, I just can't) are under consideration now. Why not the ioniq 5? I see the 6 get thrown out there a lot.
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QuarkJets posted:It looks like the Ioniq6 incentive is limited to dealer inventory and expires in a month; hopefully they renew it. Anyone here have any experience with Hyundai Ioniq6 availability? I recall people complaining that Ford dealerships are deliberately keeping inventories low because the salespeople said they don't make anything per sale? Evil SpongeBob posted:Been lurking in here for quite a while. Just did my taxes and I don't qualify for the tax credit now, so I guess all cars (minus Tesla, I just can't) are under consideration now. I got $7500 off a lease for my Ioniq 6, which I could have bought out the same month for no penalty. quote:Why not the ioniq 5? I see the 6 get thrown out there a lot. The two are extremely similar in terms of power unit, range, infotainment, and features. They even drive somewhat similarly. I had an AWD Ioniq 5 as a loaner for about a month, and it's a great car too. Much more fun to drive than most small SUVs/crossovers.
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I ate a rock on the freeway and got a little pit in the glass within 24 hours of driving my Ioniq 6 off the lot  I wish there were some padding on the driver's side window area -- it's hard plastic and gets uncomfortable when resting my elbow. The door handle area itself is soft but I haven't trained myself out of where I usually rest it. The audio and cruise controls are swapped from my Nexo. Why did they change that? Auto lane change is more welcome than I expected. Haven't tried the auto-park yet but watching a video makes it look dog slow.
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Do any car companies have an auto park worth a drat? Volvo just removed theirs after 2022, it was atrociously slow I hear.
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Ahh, cool. I thought there were some kind of build issues as opposed to people just wanting sedans. Thanks for the incentive tip too.
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Evil SpongeBob posted:Been lurking in here for quite a while. Just did my taxes and I don't qualify for the tax credit now, so I guess all cars (minus Tesla, I just can't) are under consideration now. Personally I love my i5, I think the new ones coming out will have my biggest complaint (lack of rear wiper) fixed so maybe wait for those.
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Tayter Swift posted:I ate a rock on the freeway and got a little pit in the glass within 24 hours of driving my Ioniq 6 off the lot oof
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Holy cow the last page of people referring to the ionic 5 as the i5 when the BMW i5 exists (and is a relevant vehicle for this thread) is the new m3/model 3 isn’t it.
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The difference is the Ioniq 5 came out before the BMW
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Only about a milimeter in the lower driver's side, so not a factor while driving and I'm not overly concerned, but yeah oof. I got my first charge tonight at an EA! It went smooth, drawing 170kW, went from 30% to 80% in 18 minutes while I explored the settings. edit: the "get some rest" bullshit warning went off four times in 30 minutes of highway driving and I can't figure out how to turn that poo poo off Tayter Swift fucked around with this message at 06:02 on Mar 10, 2024 |
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good, now you can stop worrying about it
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first thing you should do with a new car is key it. just get it overwith, it's a used car now
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kill me now posted:Holy cow the last page of people referring to the ionic 5 as the i5 when the BMW i5 exists (and is a relevant vehicle for this thread) is the new m3/model 3 isn’t it. Ioniq 5 is a car Ionic 5 is a bond.
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Tayter Swift posted:edit: the "get some rest" bullshit warning went off four times in 30 minutes of highway driving and I can't figure out how to turn that poo poo off That's connected to the lane watch camera. Are you weaving around in your lane?
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No, just coming down the foothills with cruise control on. Didn't happen when going up, just down.
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kill me now posted:Holy cow the last page of people referring to the ionic 5 as the i5 when the BMW i5 exists (and is a relevant vehicle for this thread) is the new m3/model 3 isn’t it. We have the I5 and the i5, now someone has to release the lowercase L 5 to complete the confusion trifecta
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kill me now posted:Holy cow the last page of people referring to the ionic 5 as the i5 when the BMW i5 exists (and is a relevant vehicle for this thread) is the new m3/model 3 isn’t it. Electric Vehicles Mk3: Supra Confusing Abbreviations Abound
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El Grillo posted:What are the good alternatives (if any) to a Model 3 these days? I haven't looked very closely at the EV market for a while. Most interested in equivalent range and charging speeds I suppose. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-kTZgvWxEg Maybe ID.7 when it's out?
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Please, someone tell me why I shouldn't get a used i3 as a secondary city only errands car.
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VW managed to get the part in to fix the latch on our ID4, and it only took… six weeks? It also randomly decided that displays aren’t required, but you can force reboot them by holding the power button under the center display for 10 seconds. Still, fantastic family car and my benchmark for EVs, certainly while VW keep putting money on the hood.
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TwoDice posted:Please, someone tell me why I shouldn't get a used i3 as a secondary city only errands car.  No idea how any parts or BMW service is going to cost on one of those though
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Tayter Swift posted:I ate a rock on the freeway and got a little pit in the glass within 24 hours of driving my Ioniq 6 off the lot Pics or eat a probe Don't blame me I don't make the rules
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TwoDice posted:Please, someone tell me why I shouldn't get a used i3 as a secondary city only errands car. I own one. It’s great. If something breaks parts aren’t cheap but there really isn’t much to go wrong and mines been flawless for about 30k miles. Buy one 2017 or later so you get the refreshed cellular connection and revived A/C compressor that won’t grenade and take your HV battery with it. Edit: tires for it cost way too much.
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mobby_6kl posted:Do you get the Vauxhall version of the Astra? Last time I checked, the UK Corsa costed as much as a model 3 unless you went for the lowest possible spec, while the Astra costed far more than a model 3. Stellantis is likely going to get badly beaten by the upcoming renaults and byd coming out this year unless they slash their MSRP very deep.
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cruft posted:Pics or eat a probe i cant be bothered right now so heres old car new car
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https://youtu.be/Fzvgc0N-gZQ?si=lU7gS4eMZEbRN01o Throttle House comparing a new Highland Model 3 to the cheapest used one they could find
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kill me now posted:Holy cow the last page of people referring to the ionic 5 as the i5 when the BMW i5 exists (and is a relevant vehicle for this thread) is the new m3/model 3 isn’t it. Obviously the solution is to refer to the Hyundai Ioniq 5 as the HI5
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Talorat posted:Obviously the solution is to refer to the Hyundai Ioniq 5 as the HI5 IQ5?
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trilobite terror posted:https://youtu.be/Fzvgc0N-gZQ?si=lU7gS4eMZEbRN01o I tried watching this, and these guys are impossible for me to watch. Is there a high level takeaway?
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Bone Crimes posted:I tried watching this, and these guys are impossible for me to watch. Is there a high level takeaway? lol if these guys are impossible for you then Donut Media must be like actual torture tldw the old one creaks a lot which is extra noticeable in an EV and the interior is in somewhat rough shape because “cheapest we could find” means it’s a former Hertz rental. The older materials are less good and the seats need a refill and there’s lovely piano black in places. Also the old stereo isn’t as nice as the new one, which is apparently quite nice and almost as good as some Martin Logan/etc stuff in luxury cars. The suspension geometry and components aren’t as nice as the new ones and also the car is a few years old which is gonna tire those components out. It has turn signal/etc stalks, which are a plus. On the whole aside from the aforementioned complaints the old one feels and drives very much like the new one. The new one is improved all around, it looks better, the headlights look higher-end, the material choices are better, and the suspension is better. The screen bezels are a bit narrower and there’s a screen for the rear passengers now. Also the better stereo, which was mentioned previously. It’s still a very competitive car but it’s also not really all that different from the old one and also they don’t have confidence that it’s put together dramatically better, or well, or that the materials are that much better than the older materials. The things the car gets really right in terms of packaging and ergonomics and feel/character and driving ability are all pretty much nailed in the older car, which makes getting a used Model 3 a really good choice vs shelling out for a brand new one that also lacks a bunch of poo poo like stalks, especially if you’re willing to do stuff like replace worn suspension bits, get the seats restuffed, etc. They recommend spending a bit more than the $19k that their well-used former rental costs and not buying a used rental.
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I like the throttle house guys. My fav one was when one of them (James?) spun out a super expensive GT40 on a wet racetrack (local to me!) and looked like he was going to have a heart attack. I like The Straight Pipes guys too but their reviews are too often filmed in utterly poo poo Ontario winter weather. Those two plus Savagegeese are my go tos for YouTube car reviews.
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trilobite terror posted:lol if these guys are impossible for you then Donut Media must be like actual torture Why yes, Donut Media are actually that bad
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Failson posted:Bolt havers, do you have to monitor your car to make sure it hasn't swapped from "immediate" to "delayed" charging? No on my 2023 but I have the charging schedule set up via my Emporia EVSE instead of the built-in Bolt scheduling. edit: Bone Crimes posted:some other pics: A crossover I don't hate?!?  edit again: looking at the tan interior version of the R3 confirms that the designers know what they are doing re: 80s nostalgia 
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