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Sherbert Hoover posted:Kroot come in a box of 16 models but their squad size is 10 or 20. Am I missing something here? That's because that kit was made in a time when men were men, if you got a cut you spat on it and hoped your arm didn't fall off and you couldn't actually make full units from boxes sold by GW.
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Sherbert Hoover posted:Kroot come in a box of 16 models but their squad size is 10 or 20. Am I missing something here? they're getting new models soon so hold off on Kroot purchases unless its the kill team!
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Mar 10, 2024 11:53
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Eej posted:That's because that kit was made in a time when men were men, if you got a cut you spat on it and hoped your arm didn't fall off and you couldn't actually make full units from boxes sold by GW. Am I crazy or isn't it that you can put fewer dudes in a squad of 20 (or whatever big size) to make room for boxes of weird numbers? Not that I think anyone is going to complain about fewer enemy models for the same points but well, someone probably will. e: insert joke about GW charging more money for fewer dudes per box here. soviet elsa fucked around with this message at 13:44 on Mar 10, 2024 |
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Mar 10, 2024 13:39
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soviet elsa posted:Am I crazy or isn't it that you can put fewer dudes in a squad of 20 (or whatever big size) to make room for boxes of weird numbers? Prior to 10th you paid per model. In 10th you just pay per discrete grouping of models per unit (ie you pay for 5 man or 10 man squads, you can run 9 dudes but you pay for 10 regardless). A lot of the "weirdness" for 10th is because wargear is free so you don't pay per model anymore and unit loadouts are (mostly) restricted to whatever is available in the box. This particularly owns Space Marines because their old design ethos is that a Space Marine is a master of all forms of warfare and can be equipped with anything to kill whatever you want. Vanguard Veterans for example had the option of Chainswords (lol), Power Swords (useless), Power Axe (also), Power Mauls (again), Power Fists (alright), Lightning Claws (very good) and Thunder Hammers (also very good). And then in the other hand they can choose from one of 5 different Pistols or a Storm Shield. Note that you only got 4 shields, 4 thunder hammers, 4 pairs of lightning claws and 1 of each other melee weapon per box so you still get hosed and have to buy more boxes or source extra bits or buy third party. There's a lot of "people" (if you can call Marine players that) really invested in like, finely tweaking the loadout of all their dudes with their personally satisfying proportions of everything even though none of it has ever mattered in gameplay. It's probably the biggest divide between People Who Play and People Who List Build and most people in the former like 10th and all in the latter hate 10th (even though they may have played like, One Game).
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Mar 10, 2024 14:03
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*me picking choppa slugga for every model so I can roll all the dice at the same time and never needing to look up more than one weapon profile* Edit: also me *using Kasrkin and looking up six different weapon profiles every shooting phase*
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Mar 10, 2024 14:11
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Paragon8 posted:they're getting new models soon so hold off on Kroot purchases unless its the kill team! Though the new box is likely to be 10 to a box and maybe more expensive too, so you may be better grabbing the current box while you can.
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Mar 10, 2024 15:06
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Roller Coast Guard posted:Though the new box is likely to be 10 to a box and maybe more expensive too, so you may be better grabbing the current box while you can. I think buying the sculpts from 2001 when the new sculpts from 2024 are about to be released is a bad deal tbh
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Mar 10, 2024 15:52
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Old sculpts might still look ok but I wouldn't trust old molds.
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Mar 10, 2024 16:09
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Lostconfused posted:Old sculpts might still look ok but I wouldn't trust old molds. As I always say, it's not the years, it's the mileage.
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Mar 10, 2024 16:12
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I wonder if perhaps Emperor's Children could manifest as a Kill Team. They're opening the box for particular chapters / legions* as Kill Teams with an upcoming release for the Night Lords. *Those that are not considered independent armies in 40k anyway
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Mar 10, 2024 16:14
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soviet elsa posted:Am I crazy or isn't it that you can put fewer dudes in a squad of 20 (or whatever big size) to make room for boxes of weird numbers? The 16 man boxes are generally from a time where the heavy weapons options where sold separately in metal. So a box of 16 and 2 clampacks of heavy weapons would get you to 1 unit of 20 or 2 of 10. Course when they started that in the early 2000s, the box of 16 was $24 and the clamshells were $8 apiece.
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Mar 10, 2024 17:17
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im having a hard time enjoying my games of Warhammer lately. i was enjoying CSM but listbuilding with them feels absolutely terrible now. I was almost relieved because every game i played i would get a lecture about what GW needed to do to nerf the faction. i switched to my other army, drukhari, and while they’re fun, theyre a shitload of work to play & transport and i still get complaints and play that i consider unsporting. before i start my movement ill say oh hey your dude is touching the ruin so i can see him did you mean to do that? or if someone is moving up to charge a fights first unit ill remind them that they don’t want to do that. my opponents about 50% of the time politely reciprocate and the other half take the advantage and run with it while not extending the same courtesy. had a game vs Orks, a teammate of mine! At an RTT! where i warned him twice not to charge my solitaire with fights first. he said oh thanks i forgot. i told him at the start of the game I hadn’t played against Orks in a year so just please remind me of your rules as we go, and after i moved and charged a whole bunch of poo poo to overkill an ork boy blob in the middle he said cool im gonna fight on death. i could have just sent the solitaire in to assasinate his characters but instead i ended up losing the solitaire and two archon/incubi squads as well as some models from the court. whatever, I take some responsibility, cant win em all, but it left a really rotten taste in my mouth. I stepped back and took a couple month break after that tournament then last night im playing a casual game against Johnny Ultramarine and the whole time hes whining about my rerolls and its just like, dude, you made no effort to hide Calgar, you used oath of moment on reaver jetbikes TWICE, put all your shooting on one side of the board and wasted a bunch of CP overwatching trying to hit on 6s, maybe clean that up before you start complaining about your rules and my rules. dude also forgot to mention calgar had a 4+++ which caused me to basically throw away my Solitaire and an archon/incubi squad. maybe it’s me? I don’t mind losing but i really can’t handle being taken advantage of. less annoying but by far more prevalent is having my own good play be marginalized by people complaining about my loving army rules. i have a buddy who always gives me poo poo about playing factions with rules that layer on each other and then plays loving thousand sons. any post-game discussion with him just centers around Reddit-level winrate discussions—if my army has a 54% win rate and his has a 51%, then there’s nothing he could have done in the game to win because my army is Just Better. if he’s playing the better winrate faction then my dice were too good. idk if I genuinely don’t want to do this anymore or if this is just part of the general malaise I’ve been experiencing.
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Mar 10, 2024 17:25
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Sounds like you've played against some real lovely opponents. I'm sorry dude. I'm real tolerant but the one thing that grinds my gears is complaining about dice rolls and complaining about rules as we're playing. The dice are random and I didn't write the loving rules, stop ruining my fun by making your inability to deal my problem.
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Mar 10, 2024 18:21
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Eej posted:I think buying the sculpts from 2001 when the new sculpts from 2024 are about to be released is a bad deal tbh Turns out you were on the money. Because guess what is coming up for pre-order next weekend? https://www.warhammer-community.com/2024/03/10/sunday-preview-the-kroot-are-on-the-prowl/ It's Kroot time! Even if it's only the army box.  With the early release of the new Tau codex. 
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Mar 10, 2024 19:06
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So with the Inquisitorial Agents killteam, is it possible to build all the “alternative” models? I don’t care about the autosavant, really, but would love to have both guardsmen variations. Though I suppose it being playable as a killteam is a secondary consideration
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Mar 10, 2024 20:55
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Frog Act posted:So with the Inquisitorial Agents killteam, is it possible to build all the “alternative” models? I don’t care about the autosavant, really, but would love to have both guardsmen variations. Though I suppose it being playable as a killteam is a secondary consideration no. you'll need to throw the arms/head on a spare body.
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Mar 10, 2024 21:00
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Frog Act posted:So with the Inquisitorial Agents killteam, is it possible to build all the “alternative” models? I don’t care about the autosavant, really, but would love to have both guardsmen variations. Though I suppose it being playable as a killteam is a secondary consideration Depends on how comfortable you are with making molds with blue stuff.
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Mar 10, 2024 21:16
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Are they reprinting the data cards for each faction as their codex comes out? I want to pick up the CSM ones but the codex should be around the corner and I was holding off. Yes i know I can find and print them free online or whatever.
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Mar 10, 2024 21:21
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Paragon8 posted:no. you'll need to throw the arms/head on a spare body. Ah. I don’t have any spares so I guess I’ll only be able to make one? Macdeo Lurjtux posted:Depends on how comfortable you are with making molds with blue stuff. Zero comfort, never used anything like that so I don’t think that would be an option for me. Sounds like I should just buy a second box in the future and make the alternatives I dont make with this one. The IA has so many models that are just some dudes, my favorite type, it’s too bad a single box can’t maximize that
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Mar 10, 2024 21:28
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Frog Act posted:Ah. I don’t have any spares so I guess I’ll only be able to make one? i wouldn't worry about casting the same body. Basically the uniqueness comes from the arms and heads which are just flat joints for the arms and a ball socket for the head so they're fairly compatible with a lot of other kits. IG dudes or I think there's a little box of necromunda hive scum that wouldn't break the bank too much. It is kind of a disappointment of a kit because if you did get another box you'd be stuck with two of the autosavent Kind of baffling they wouldn't do a full team
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Mar 10, 2024 21:36
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Deathworld Vet is super cool
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Mar 10, 2024 21:53
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Super Waffle posted:Are they reprinting the data cards for each faction as their codex comes out? I want to pick up the CSM ones but the codex should be around the corner and I was holding off. Yes i know I can find and print them free online or whatever. Yeah my Deathwing Assualt box came with updated DA cards.
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Mar 10, 2024 21:53
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I love blue stuff. You've gotta learn how best to make molds for it to be super effective though. Some bits you can just wrap the thermoplastic around and pop the bits out easy easy. Others you've got to do separate panels/faces with indents and put them together like you would metal molds.
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Mar 10, 2024 22:00
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Paragon8 posted:i wouldn't worry about casting the same body. Basically the uniqueness comes from the arms and heads which are just flat joints for the arms and a ball socket for the head so they're fairly compatible with a lot of other kits. IG dudes or I think there's a little box of necromunda hive scum that wouldn't break the bank too much. Yeah the hive scum are only $22, I actually almost ordered them to just be More Dudes so maybe I’ll give that a try, thanks! I’ll probably never play but I’m having fun assembling a motley army with my own stupid and probably hackneyed internal narratives and the death world veteran / penal legion guy / fellow with two knives who just loves it are all perfect for what I’m going for
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Mar 10, 2024 22:02
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The Demilich posted:I love blue stuff. You've gotta learn how best to make molds for it to be super effective though. If you get good results from blue stuff you should really consider making proper molds. I've made a decent number of silicone molds in my time, and struggle to get good results from blue stuff. If you are getting good results with blue stuff I'd bet you'd get perfect castings out of the real deal.
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Mar 10, 2024 22:19
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Frog Act posted:I’ll probably never play but I’m having fun assembling a motley army with my own stupid and probably hackneyed internal narratives and the death world veteran / penal legion guy / fellow with two knives who just loves it are all perfect for what I’m going for It's very fulfilling. I created an all-kitbash Rogue Trader kill team that I have yet to play with and it was a delight.
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Mar 11, 2024 01:09
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Since mould degradation keeps coming up, how is the Falcon Chassis? I think I'd consider Eldar soon (will I sound super older if I call them that? How well has the name update taken hold?) so does it seem better to get Warp Spinners now or see if there's a refresh? How big was the army update in 9th? Relatedly, a factor in me pulling the trigger would be new Warp Spiders, do we have any cause to be confident that will happen?
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Mar 11, 2024 02:23
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Vulpes Vulpes posted:It's very fulfilling. I created an all-kitbash Rogue Trader kill team that I have yet to play with and it was a delight. I have a handful of model that I have earmarked for such a project. I should get a box of hive scum or something for em.
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Mar 11, 2024 02:30
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Virtual Russian posted:If you get good results from blue stuff you should really consider making proper molds. I've made a decent number of silicone molds in my time, and struggle to get good results from blue stuff. If you are getting good results with blue stuff I'd bet you'd get perfect castings out of the real deal. It's been a thought, but then I'd have to get a pressure cooker and it's just too much for me in terms of space.
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Mar 11, 2024 02:51
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BizarroAzrael posted:Since mould degradation keeps coming up, how is the Falcon Chassis? I think I'd consider Eldar soon (will I sound super older if I call them that? How well has the name update taken hold?) so does it seem better to get Warp Spinners now or see if there's a refresh? How big was the army update in 9th? Rumor is new warp spiders with a new Phoenix lord that had been teased In the psychic awakening coming with the new codex, along with new fire dragons.
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Mar 11, 2024 03:17
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Sharkopath posted:Rumor is new warp spiders with a new Phoenix lord that had been teased In the psychic awakening coming with the new codex, along with new fire dragons. Promising! (Not actually a promise) Fire Dragons are cool too, I'll maybe pick up an Eldar unit here and there to paint like the other current aspect warriors. Have to see about Warp Spinners, the Falcon is such a basic plastic sandwich maybe it's still fine.
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Mar 11, 2024 03:27
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Warp Spiders would actually give me a reason to get some Eldar.
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The Demilich posted:Warp Spiders would actually give me a reason to get some Eldar. This is why it's so baffling to me coming back to the hobby, having left when there was still a lot of metal in the range, and finding that still have the 2nd ed moulds, they are comfortably one of the three coolest aspects. Side note, I figure they will need to add an aspect warrior tag to all the sheets, to enable a detachment that specialises in them?
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I'm super excited for new Warp Spiders but I think compared to the other really old aspect warrior kits their sculpt is the best. The hawks....
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Mar 11, 2024 04:16
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In all likelihood, the sculpts for the plastic molds for all of the aspects were done years ago. They drop one or two per edition. Warp Spiders are an excellent bet for the release with the 9th edition codex. Hopefully they stick close to the original because those are outstanding.
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Maneck posted:In all likelihood, the sculpts for the plastic molds for all of the aspects were done years ago. They drop one or two per edition. Warp Spiders are an excellent bet for the release with the 9th edition codex. Hopefully they stick close to the original because those are outstanding. I'd like them to explore some new stuff, but also provide options to make them very much like the originals. Helmet options between the fairly generic ones and new six eyed ones or something.
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8th Edition had the Spirit Seer, Jain Zar and Howling Banshee plastic kits. 9th Edition had: Autarch Rangers Shroud Runners (new!) Maugan Ra Dark Reapers Avatar Shining Spears Guardians/Storm Guardians Warlocks (lol) It was a pretty big refresh! And more to come, of course.
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I feel like the only things not officially announced that we will probably get are lots of Drukhari stuff (because they stopped selling all their fine cast), Chaos Bikers (because this is the only thing that didn’t come out from the slew of otherwise one hundred percent correct rumors a couple of years back), and a sizable amount of World Eaters and Votann (because they both are undermanned and GW released other armies in two stages in the past, like Sisters). Obviously there will be a bunch more released that’s not that, though. Personally I’m hoping for revamped Grey Knights and some new Deathwatch stuff.
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Mar 11, 2024 06:42
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BizarroAzrael posted:Promising! (Not actually a promise) I remember back in the late 90s when the Vyper and later the Falcon kits were released. Such awesome, beautiful kits and a huge jump in quality for GW.
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the vyper, falcon, and raider all extremely hold up
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