NBA N/V PLAYOFFS: A condition leaving him unable to win in the playoffs: Chris Palsy

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Bismack Billabongo: Oct 9, 2012; New Love Glow

Barf man. Poor guy

# ? Mar 11, 2024 03:35

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# ? Jun 1, 2024 12:37

Dejan Bimble: Mar 24, 2008; we're all black friends; Plaster Town Cop

Aye Doc posted:

Sengun looks to be very badly injured, they took him off in a wheelchair

https://twitter.com/TheHoopCentral/status/1766983270078800074

wider angle that lets you see that it was very not good

https://twitter.com/ClutchPoints/status/1766983243146903898

gently caress that's horrible. That's not fair

# ? Mar 11, 2024 03:41

morestuff: Aug 2, 2008; You can't stop what's coming

https://x.com/biasedslightly/status/1766983751366524930?s=46

# ? Mar 11, 2024 06:33

Dejan Bimble: Mar 24, 2008; we're all black friends; Plaster Town Cop

zach lowe said spurs need to cash their chips in and go win now or else wemby whatevers.

we literally saw this movie in dallas. you cannot chase it like that in the nba. it results in being good not great, and the guy leaves anyway.

They need to stop with the garbage rosters, and they just need to build to win sustainably

edit: or the lebron cavs!

Dejan Bimble fucked around with this message at 08:28 on Mar 11, 2024

# ? Mar 11, 2024 08:22

kingcobweb: Apr 16, 2005

Dejan Bimble posted:

zach lowe said spurs need to cash their chips in and go win now or else wemby whatevers.

we literally saw this movie in dallas. you cannot chase it like that in the nba. it results in being good not great, and the guy leaves anyway.

They need to stop with the garbage rosters, and they just need to build to win sustainably

Did he say that? I don�t think he said that

# ? Mar 11, 2024 08:25

Dejan Bimble: Mar 24, 2008; we're all black friends; Plaster Town Cop

kingcobweb posted:

Did he say that? I don�t think he said that

basically he said wemby has arrived no more rebuild

# ? Mar 11, 2024 08:29

fart simpson: Jul 2, 2005; DEATH TO AMERICA

Dejan Bimble posted:

zach lowe said spurs need to cash their chips in and go win now or else wemby whatevers.

we literally saw this movie in dallas. you cannot chase it like that in the nba. it results in being good not great, and the guy leaves anyway.

They need to stop with the garbage rosters, and they just need to build to win sustainably

edit: or the lebron cavs!

if you take away their wins, these spurs would be the worst nba team of all time

# ? Mar 11, 2024 11:13

Hashtag Banterzone: Dec 8, 2005; Lifetime Winner of the willkill4food Honorary Bad Posting Award in PWM

Spurs don't really have a choice tbh. Wemby is going to be too good next year for them to tank.

I don't know if Dallas is a good comparison cuz that was a really weird Mavs era pre-Luka. They were more of a collection of vets brought together to be a backing band for Dirk's farewell tour than a team. Also it could've worked out for them if they didn't gently caress up Zingus and Brunson

NOP was probably a better example. They went all in a little too early with AD. But Jrue was the right move, they just missed on pretty much every other move.

If first gear is tanking and 5th is all in, Spurs are going to be in 2nd or 3rd next year, which is where they should be. They're looking for a Jrue or a Brunson to pair with Wemby

# ? Mar 11, 2024 11:43

Lid: Feb 18, 2005; And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

Everyone's talking about Trae to Spurs but I'm going to be more psychotic and note LeBron about to be a free agent.

# ? Mar 11, 2024 13:00

Metapod: Mar 18, 2012

Hashtag Banterzone posted:

Spurs don't really have a choice tbh. Wemby is going to be too good next year for them to tank.

I don't know if Dallas is a good comparison cuz that was a really weird Mavs era pre-Luka. They were more of a collection of vets brought together to be a backing band for Dirk's farewell tour than a team. Also it could've worked out for them if they didn't gently caress up Zingus and Brunson

NOP was probably a better example. They went all in a little too early with AD. But Jrue was the right move, they just missed on pretty much every other move.

If first gear is tanking and 5th is all in, Spurs are going to be in 2nd or 3rd next year, which is where they should be. They're looking for a Jrue or a Brunson to pair with Wemby

The spurs do have a choice all they have to do is tell wemby look at shai to show the benefits of letting the roster grow naturally then show luka to show how forcing it leads to disaster

# ? Mar 11, 2024 13:08

fart simpson: Jul 2, 2005; DEATH TO AMERICA

Lid posted:

Everyone's talking about Trae to Spurs but I'm going to be more psychotic and note LeBron about to be a free agent.

hes old as balls op

# ? Mar 11, 2024 13:19

temple: Jul 29, 2006; I have actual skeletons in my closet

LeBron ain't going to San Antonio.

edit: They need to go all in on Wemby. Build a team now. Figure out what works. But don't mortgage their future for anyone, especially not Trae.

temple fucked around with this message at 13:41 on Mar 11, 2024

# ? Mar 11, 2024 13:36

duodenum: Sep 18, 2005

Luka to Denver to be with Jokic
Murray, + to San Antonio
Spurs' this year pick and that other pick and something else to Dallas.

waves hands

# ? Mar 11, 2024 13:59

Lid: Feb 18, 2005; And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

fart simpson posted:

hes old as balls op

Wish his averages showed that.

# ? Mar 11, 2024 14:15

anakha: Sep 16, 2009

Hashtag Banterzone posted:

Wemby is going to be too good next year for them to tank.

The exact same team even with Wemby's improvements next year is still gonna be a play-in challenger at best in the West.

Some load management DNPs here and there, some minutes restrictions, the occasional rest for nagging injuries, and the Spurs will be right back in the lottery. Making major moves now would be dumb as gently caress unless they fell rear end-backwards into a trade offer that they couldn't refuse.

# ? Mar 11, 2024 14:20

Rick: Feb 23, 2004; When I was 17, my father was so stupid, I didn't want to be seen with him in public. When I was 24, I was amazed at how much the old man had learned in just 7 years.

Sag for Cooper Flagg.

# ? Mar 11, 2024 14:37

Hashtag Banterzone: Dec 8, 2005; Lifetime Winner of the willkill4food Honorary Bad Posting Award in PWM

Metapod posted:

The spurs do have a choice all they have to do is tell wemby look at shai to show the benefits of letting the roster grow naturally then show luka to show how forcing it leads to disaster

Shai's situation was different. He wasn't nearly as good as Wemby is now. And OKC was in a much worse spot than the Spurs are now because OKC had mortgaged everything to win with KD/Russ and then Russ/PG.

And even if the situations were the same I don't think I can in good conscious recommend that teams tank by sitting players. If there was a good way to police it I would be 100% in favor of making teams that do it pick 30th

# ? Mar 11, 2024 14:49

mdemone: Mar 14, 2001

Lid posted:

Everyone's talking about Trae to Spurs but I'm going to be more psychotic and note LeBron about to be a free agent.

God that would be so much fun

so many lobs

# ? Mar 11, 2024 14:57

mdemone: Mar 14, 2001

fart simpson posted:

hes old as balls op

29/9/8 with TS = 71% last night

I'd love to be old like that

# ? Mar 11, 2024 15:00

Dexo: Aug 15, 2009; A city that was to live by night after the wilderness had passed. A city that was to forge out of steel and blood-red neon its own peculiar wilderness.

Spurs should get a PG, but don't need to go all in.

Probably shouldn't be Trae, but someone capable of passing and getting them into sets

The thing about Shai is that he was the lead guard so he could get better with just on ball reps

Bigs need a respectable lead guard/point guard generally to develop. And to make things easy and less stressful for them.

# ? Mar 11, 2024 15:03

JackBandit: Jun 6, 2011

Ricky Rubio come back to the NBA and have a fun international buddy cop movie with Wemby

# ? Mar 11, 2024 15:09

dokmo: Aug 27, 2006; man

march has not been kind to nba bigs.

# ? Mar 11, 2024 15:13

Lockback: Sep 3, 2006; All days are nights to see till I see thee; and nights bright days when dreams do show me thee.

temple posted:

LeBron ain't going to San Antonio.

edit: They need to go all in on Wemby. Build a team now. Figure out what works. But don't mortgage their future for anyone, especially not Trae.

This is kinda contradictory. "Go all in" means "Spend your assets" which means "Mortgage your future". I think you mean this:

Hashtag Banterzone posted:

If first gear is tanking and 5th is all in, Spurs are going to be in 2nd or 3rd next year, which is where they should be. They're looking for a Jrue or a Brunson to pair with Wemby

Which I agree with. Assuming they start looking for a mix of youth and mid-career fit this offseason they'll probably be in the 10-12ish seed in the West if they don't do anything extraordinary. I think they try to grab a young promising player, ideally guard, at a decent price if they can (including future picks), but don't go nuts trying to force something. If you can get your Brunson or FVV or whatever equivalent you can be in 3rd gear and aim for a feisty play-in team. If you can't, you're in 2nd gear and aim for Wemby's 3rd year to be the big splash and be a better team than this year but still have growth (especially for the supporting cast) be a focus. Wemby isn't going to burn down the Spurs if they're not a contender in 2 seasons.

# ? Mar 11, 2024 15:30

The Glumslinger: Sep 24, 2008; Coach Nagy, you want me to throw to WHAT side of the field?; Hair Elf

I don't want them to steal him, but the spurs should sign DLo

# ? Mar 11, 2024 15:46

Shear Modulus: Jun 9, 2010

pairing wemby with a ball-dominant guard like trae may not be the best move from a development perspective since that would probably take away reps where he can be a jokic-esque point center, which he has shown flashes of being able to do

# ? Mar 11, 2024 15:54

Dexo: Aug 15, 2009; A city that was to live by night after the wilderness had passed. A city that was to forge out of steel and blood-red neon its own peculiar wilderness.

Shear Modulus posted:

pairing wemby with a ball-dominant guard like trae may not be the best move from a development perspective since that would probably take away reps where he can be a jokic-esque point center, which he has shown flashes of being able to do

No it doesn't. Jamal Murray is a ball dominant guard.

Having two ball handlers or passers/connectors, one being a Big, is easily doable. And wouldn't stunt his development but would actually help him learn how to better play and be a connector off of good guards.

# ? Mar 11, 2024 15:58

dokmo: Aug 27, 2006; man

trivia: which players have fallen down the most and the least (per touch).

most:

fewest:

# ? Mar 11, 2024 16:01

Fast Luck: Feb 2, 1988

shocking omission of Embiid

Maybe he only shows up in Total Falls and not Falls per touch

# ? Mar 11, 2024 16:06

Lockback: Sep 3, 2006; All days are nights to see till I see thee; and nights bright days when dreams do show me thee.

I kinda think Trae might be a perfect fit for both the Spurs and Trae but it definitely has meltdown potential. I think it will depend a lot on what pick San Antonio gets this draft and what they think they can do with that player.

# ? Mar 11, 2024 16:07

dokmo: Aug 27, 2006; man

Fast Luck posted:

shocking omission of Embiid

Maybe he only shows up in Total Falls and not Falls per touch

Embiid ranks 108th out of the 455 players included in the list.

# ? Mar 11, 2024 16:09

snyprmag: Oct 9, 2005

Is this 'falling down while they have the ball' or does it count jumping for loose balls too?

# ? Mar 11, 2024 16:33

kingcobweb: Apr 16, 2005

dokmo posted:

Embiid ranks 108th out of the 455 players included in the list.

What about per minute falls? F/36?

# ? Mar 11, 2024 16:34

dokmo: Aug 27, 2006; man

snyprmag posted:

Is this 'falling down while they have the ball' or does it count jumping for loose balls too?

loose ball falls count

# ? Mar 11, 2024 16:36

dokmo: Aug 27, 2006; man

kingcobweb posted:

What about per minute falls? F/36?

most

# ? Mar 11, 2024 16:45

Aye Doc: Jul 19, 2007

dokmo posted:

trivia: which players have fallen down the most and the least (per touch).

most:

gotta get big Taj into The Program to keep him safe

# ? Mar 11, 2024 17:02

Declan MacManus: Sep 1, 2011; damn i'm really in this bitch

anakha posted:

The exact same team even with Wemby's improvements next year is still gonna be a play-in challenger at best in the West.

Some load management DNPs here and there, some minutes restrictions, the occasional rest for nagging injuries, and the Spurs will be right back in the lottery. Making major moves now would be dumb as gently caress unless they fell rear end-backwards into a trade offer that they couldn't refuse.

they have 24 hours to fill up and they don't even have the benefit of covering real news

the spurs have been patient with this rebuild, they're not going all in just because zach lowe and his receding hairline think they need to push up the timeline because wemby is "too good" or whatever. that's not how any of this poo poo has ever worked even in "the era of player empowerment tm"

# ? Mar 11, 2024 17:14

morestuff: Aug 2, 2008; You can't stop what's coming

Dejan Bimble posted:

zach lowe said spurs need to cash their chips in and go win now or else wemby whatevers.

we literally saw this movie in dallas. you cannot chase it like that in the nba. it results in being good not great, and the guy leaves anyway.

They need to stop with the garbage rosters, and they just need to build to win sustainably

edit: or the lebron cavs!

Declan MacManus posted:

they have 24 hours to fill up and they don't even have the benefit of covering real news

the spurs have been patient with this rebuild, they're not going all in just because zach lowe and his receding hairline think they need to push up the timeline because wemby is "too good" or whatever. that's not how any of this poo poo has ever worked even in "the era of player empowerment tm"

I went and listened to the podcast and it really does not sound like what he's saying

Here's a rough transcript:

Zach Lowe posted:

Brian Windhorst, who knows Victor, said on TV�he wants that gap to be narrower between those two teams next season. Right now it's like a 30-win gap, you don't see that type of gap narrowed that much in one offseason. I think that has been wrongly taken in other corners of the media�who have taken it and implied that the Spurs are on the clock, that the Spurs are under pressure�that he could demand a trade. The Spurs are looking at that and are like 'Where is this coming from?'"

He's a rookie. He wants to win � that's true. He would like team to be better � that's true. He would like the team to make moves this offseason, I'm sure, like any good player, to give him more players that can pass him the ball in functional ways. That is so far removed from like "UH OH, THE SPURS ARE ON THE CLOCK WITH VICTOR." He's stoked to be on the Spurs, he's so happy to be on the Spurs.

Here's what I really mean: if he is impatient, I'm not taking that as a threat if I'm the Spurs. I'm taking it as an opportunity. You know why? Because this dude is so goddamned good already that he's actually ready to win whether we're want to or not�

This is what happens with generational superstars�You become so good so fast that it doesn't even really matter what you want or how patient you want to be�they are not going to leave you a choice. You are going to develop on their timetable because they are going to drag your rear end there�

This is not a threat to the Spurs. I have heard nobody within the Spurs say they are worried in any possible way other than "we are kind of excited to explore what guards that are three or four years older than Wemanyama actually fit with our timetable because he's going to make our timetable his timetable."

not exactly a hot take and basically what everyone here is saying?

# ? Mar 11, 2024 17:37

Metapod: Mar 18, 2012

Hashtag Banterzone posted:

Shai's situation was different. He wasn't nearly as good as Wemby is now. And OKC was in a much worse spot than the Spurs are now because OKC had mortgaged everything to win with KD/Russ and then Russ/PG.

And even if the situations were the same I don't think I can in good conscious recommend that teams tank by sitting players. If there was a good way to police it I would be 100% in favor of making teams that do it pick 30th

Okc was not in a worse spot as they got all their assets the same offseason they got shai.
The spurs don't need to tank but they need more lottery talent there is zero rush to put a contender around a 19 year old

# ? Mar 11, 2024 17:48

WhyteRyce: Dec 30, 2001

that�s a lol

https://twitter.com/TheDunkCentral/status/1767201731270599121

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ChickenMedium: Sep 2, 2001; Forum Veteran And Professor Emeritus of Condiment Studies

WhyteRyce posted:

that�s a lol

https://twitter.com/TheDunkCentral/status/1767201731270599121

They spelled decision correctly DIRECTLY ABOVE where they spelled it wrong and it is doing my head in. I'm going to assume that the sculptor that they contracted actually hates Kobe and sabotaged the project on purpose and for that reason I applaud them and their efforts.

# ? Mar 11, 2024 18:24

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