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On the one hand, antibiotics are relatively cheap. On the other side, sugar pills are cheaper and there are dachas to pay off...
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M_Gargantua posted:They never got to play The Oregon Trail as children and it shows. Considering the reports of poor shelter, bad/nonexistent food(on the western front by the Dnieper there were some grim starvation stories), it would be interesting to have some numbers on how many Russians are rendered combat-incapable by starvation, sickness or exposure. With how consistent and regular the stories are, it has to be a not-insignificant amount.
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https://twitter.com/KyivPost/status/1767180121687933213quote:Czech President Petr Pavel believes NATO troop support for #Ukraine within its borders won't breach international norms. I wonder if this is going to stay at just talk, considering now both Macron and Pavel have broached the idea.
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Are they talking troops at the Polish and Romanian boarders ready to respond to stuff, or their troops inside Ukraine in like Lviv and along the Belarus and Moldavian boarder to free up the Ukrainian manpower to go eject their invaders?
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M_Gargantua posted:Are they talking troops at the Polish and Romanian boarders ready to respond to stuff, or their troops inside Ukraine in like Lviv and along the Belarus and Moldavian boarder to free up the Ukrainian manpower to go eject their invaders? We're not getting a lot of details that I've seen, but my impression is it's... Inside the formal borders of Ukraine. No one at the front lines. Support roles like medical and supply staff. Possibly taking over air defense roles in the central/western part of Ukraine Maybe stuff like garrisons in Odessa, along the Belarussian border, etc. to prevent long-shot moves by the Russians that still require troops guarding against them But so far it's all very much in the "expressing willingness"-phase more than the "setting down a clear proposal/offer"-phase, so who knows, maybe we'll get Czech tankers in Zaporizhia and French fighters guarding Ukrainian air space.
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Apparently the UK has already had RAF personnel in Ukraine for a while now, to say nothing of the CIA and MI6 paramilitary units that have almost assuredly been there advising since the start. Deploying thousands of maintenance and logistics folks would be a major escalation, though.
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psydude posted:Apparently the UK has already had RAF personnel in Ukraine for a while now, to say nothing of the CIA and MI6 paramilitary units that have almost assuredly been there advising since the start. I recall hearing about AFU using Polish facilities to do repairs and maintenance on armored vehicles from a year ago. Put the busted ones on a rail car and send them west to get fixed
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canyoneer posted:I recall hearing about AFU using Polish facilities to do repairs and maintenance on armored vehicles from a year ago. Put the busted ones on a rail car and send them west to get fixed I know lots of former Warsaw members still have some Soviet military infrastructure left, but Poland is the only country in Europe with the complete Soviet tank infrastructure, right? Excluding Russia of course, I don't think Ukraine would get much help repairing vehicles from them
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The Door Frame posted:Excluding Russia of course, I don't think Ukraine would get much help repairing vehicles from them No, but they've been the single biggest donor of Soviet era equipment since the war started.
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Poland probably has the most complete Soviet tank infrastructure, yeah. They're also cooperating long-term with South Korea to modernize and build new facilities. Ukraine has tank infrastructure, but much less than they used to. They had a massive arsenal of tanks pre-war, but most were in poor condition, and they had trouble manufacturing T-84s (improved and modernized T-80UDs) up to the present day. Saukkis posted:I agree with A.o.D and suspect that an EFP may not be destructive enough in this case. There's a decent chance that it will hit the explosives in the drone boat and it might set them off, but it can also just poke a couple small holes. The carbon fiber probably won't cause much of a spalling inside. Those miniature holes have always been how EFPs work. You can see Bazooka/Panzerfaust rounds from WW2 that killed tanks and they also have those pinhole penetrations. They're designed to effect the maximum amount of pressure across the smallest amount of protection so as not to disperse their energy. EFPs and modern anti-tank projectiles in general generate a lot of force and heat that can compromise all kinds of internals and detonate ammo&fuel, as well as deliver pressure and concussion that can wound or kill crewmen. Part of my work post-degree was working with how to mitigate the damage these kinds of projectiles can do to crew and passengers of AFVs. My wife will be the first person to tell you that I actually got kind of emotional when I saw the first reports of Ukrainian crewmen of destroyed Bradleys talking about how they got out alive following dead-on hits from ATGMs. As far as everything else goes, a crew can just get lucky and get out of it or get unlucky, or end up in the grisliest possible outcome. My work was to make those catastrophic scenarios as rare as possible. I think we've realistically hit the ceiling as far as modernizing Soviet designs goes when it comes to T-90Ms and T-84s. T-90Ms have to have so much of their most modern gear mounted to the outside or in ways that compromise other systems. There's a reason why Western tanks are so much bigger and why the USSR/Russia was always working on programs to increase the chassis size of their tanks, and it's not just because non-Russoviet designs need an extra Chad in the CC hucking rounds into the breach.
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The Door Frame posted:I know lots of former Warsaw members still have some Soviet military infrastructure left, but Poland is the only country in Europe with the complete Soviet tank infrastructure, right? In addition to Poland facilities in the Czech Republic and Slovakia have been performing major repairs on Ukrainian T-64s and other vehicles since 2022. The state owned VOP CZ factory in Dukelska has done major repairs and modernizations on the T-54, 55, 62, 72 and now the T-64 as well. Arishtat fucked around with this message at 02:27 on Mar 12, 2024 |
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https://twitter.com/RALee85/status/1767293992423834057quote:"Ukrainian officials...told the FT that an attack by Ukraine at the weekend had critically damaged two Russian A-50 long-range radar detection planes at an aircraft repair facility in the southern port city of Taganrog." Really a bad time to be an A-50 plane.
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Ukraine lusts for A-50 death and I'm here for it, although the end of that Tatarigami thread basically says "we have no idea whether they actually got any of the A-50s or even did meaningful damage to the inside of the facility," which is a shame. They're going after those specific planes hard, hopefully it pays off.
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I wonder if those planes were the ones they hit before and were being repaired or if it was one of the other six(?)
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Kestral posted:Ukraine lusts for A-50 death and I'm here for it, although the end of that Tatarigami thread basically says "we have no idea whether they actually got any of the A-50s or even did meaningful damage to the inside of the facility," which is a shame. They're going after those specific planes hard, hopefully it pays off. I saw some speculation that degrading the A-50's was in aid of the introduction of F-16's. I'm not sure exactly what extra capabilties F-16 brings to the fight that an A-50 specifically counters though, and I'm guessing anyone who does, isn't saying (well, maybe on the War Thunder forums)
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slothrop posted:I saw some speculation that degrading the A-50's was in aid of the introduction of F-16's. I'm not sure exactly what extra capabilties F-16 brings to the fight that an A-50 specifically counters though, and I'm guessing anyone who does, isn't saying (well, maybe on the War Thunder forums) Well, generally A-50's let the Russians have a better view of everything going on in the air, and help coordinate air defenses, is my understanding. So after a good couple of years of putting holes in Russian air defenses everywhere in the south, degrading the last few of them by blowing up the A-50's that help with their targeting, would definitely help the Ukrainian air force operate with a bit more impunity. The exact details of what it can and cannot pick up may be War Thunder material, but what a plane like the A-50 generally does is well known. https://www.kyivpost.com/post/29369 quote:Anti-Kremlin Russian Volunteers Infiltrate Inside Russia With Tanks, Fierce Battles Underway Also we've got the annual Russian Fascists vs Russian Fascists fight going on over exactly what flavour of fascism they want. Rest in piss to whoever gets blasted in these struggles.
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Apparently Russians also lost an IL-76 to an accident today?
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OddObserver posted:Apparently Russians also lost an IL-76 to an accident today? it crashed in flames so, sure, accident
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https://twitter.com/bayraktar_1love/status/1767527126041760255quote:Reuters article regarding the attack on Nizhny Novgorod oil facility: Those seem like some numbers big enough to matter to an economy.
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Tangential but relevant: https://www.politico.eu/article/parliament-sues-commission-over-unfreezing-of-hungary-funds/ quote:Brussels vs. Brussels: EU Parliament to sue Commission over Hungary cash Apparently Orban might not be getting his money after all, despite it being used to bribe him into compliance.
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PurpleXVI posted:Tangential but relevant: Shame, couldn't have happened to a nicer guy.
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OddObserver posted:Apparently Russians also lost an IL-76 to an accident today? Reportedly, a training flight ate a bird strike and while RTBing lost an engine completely (there's footage of a very blackened nacelle dropping off) before crashing.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:it crashed in flames so, sure, accident If I got the location right, it was like 250km northeast of Moscow. Very unlikely to have been Ukraine, and I doubt Russian AA hungers for death of massive transport planes that far away from the front. Of course, everything is possible. I think it's a type defect that the nacelles are incapable of containing fan failure, so a single engine failure can easily lead to the loss of the entire aircraft. A big bird could definitely bring one down. Also, if it's not a bird, I think the likeliest cause of loss is lack of maintenance, there is a long list of crashes caused by that too.
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Tuna-Fish posted:If I got the location right, it was like 250km northeast of Moscow. Very unlikely to have been Ukraine, and I doubt Russian AA hungers for death of massive transport planes that far away from the front. Of course, everything is possible. It was both: The birdstrike was six months ago.
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McNally posted:It was both: The birdstrike was six months ago. I don't know if a flaming engine can be put on the deferred maintenance list
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CoffeeQaddaffi posted:Reportedly, a training flight ate a bird strike and while RTBing lost an engine completely (there's footage of a very blackened nacelle dropping off) before crashing. leaving them with only 3 engines, not nearly enough to stay in the air. shame
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slothrop posted:I saw some speculation that degrading the A-50's was in aid of the introduction of F-16's. I'm not sure exactly what extra capabilties F-16 brings to the fight that an A-50 specifically counters though, and I'm guessing anyone who does, isn't saying (well, maybe on the War Thunder forums) It's a big flying radar that can see everything moving around within a bubble hundreds of miles across, so a pretty important target if you're planning on flying much of anything and don't want the Russians to track it and shoot it down.
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slothrop posted:I saw some speculation that degrading the A-50's was in aid of the introduction of F-16's. I'm not sure exactly what extra capabilties F-16 brings to the fight that an A-50 specifically counters though, and I'm guessing anyone who does, isn't saying (well, maybe on the War Thunder forums) Here is my take on summarizing it narratively: The F-16 is a solid 4th gen fighter. It's got a lot of bells and whistles - Onboard radar, OTH targeting, data link, radar warning receivers, etc. Its also fast and has a pretty small RCS for a plane that isn't designed for stealth. At the scale of a front and at the speeds the weapons move, giving your air defense operators and extra 60 seconds of time to think is a huge value add to the defense chain. Something like the A-50 is a high altitude airborne radar that can spot halfway into Ukrainian airspace. You, as a small person may think half of Ukraine is probably pretty big? An F-16 can cross that it in about 15 minutes when it comes up to speed to attack. Assuming the ground asset your A-50 is trying to help guard is directly below it, you've got best case about 10 minutes between seeing an incoming flight and a missile is in flight and you've already lost the engagement. But you really can't park A-50's over the battlefield because their sitting ducks, so you post them to the rear, so now instead of 10 minutes you've got 3 minutes. Still plenty of time since everything is computer based so long as your operators have enough coffee and are paying attention to the beeps and boops of their scopes. So the A-50 can click the new radar return screaming toward it, check the battlespace map, ID it as red, and send a vector to whatever S-300 site is around to try to get a shot off in time. The guys in the plane get data links to the theater management and they all try to keep everybody else updated on who is where and what direction everyone is flying and what radar returns are MiG's returning east to rearm and which are potential UAF and trying not to confuse the two. Meanwhile the guys on the ground, with their S-300's and S-400's and the SA-5's and SA-15's and whatever else they're using now. Most of them may have one long range radar per battery, and its on the ground, maybe on a mast trailer that can get it above the treeline. That's still not at 30k feet, so things like Dirt and Trees and the horizon put an upper limit on detection range. Imagine sitting there for hours on alert, You get a call from the plane providing overwatch, UAF coming in from your west. You can focus that way, take a breath, try to pick them out from the noise and clutter since you've got an idea what you're looking for and where. You've got a human useful timescale to respond through all your firing checklists and procedures. Now Instead imagine you've lost your A-50 support, you're still sitting there for hours watching and waiting, and you get a return suddenly. Its a plane screaming eastward. If its friendly, great, if its hostile, you've got about 30 seconds to figure it out or you or someone else eats a missile or bomb. 30 seconds is just enough time to gently caress it up and blue-on-blue another Su-34! The awareness and coordination value is immense. This applies to the UAF's non-western planes as well. They get the same benefit. So less A-50's is good on the strategic scale. More dehydrated and sleep deprived S-300 radar operators is good on the local scale. M_Gargantua fucked around with this message at 16:13 on Mar 12, 2024 |
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M_Gargantua posted:Here is my take on summarizing it narratively: To add to that, if your ground sites are worried about anti-radiation missiles, the A50 lets them stay quiet until it's time to engage. Without that A50, they have to stay lit up around the clock if they're going to do their job.
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A.o.D. posted:To add to that, if your ground sites are worried about anti-radiation missiles, the A50 lets them stay quiet until it's time to engage. Without that A50, they have to stay lit up around the clock if they're going to do their job. lit up AA radars also make big RF emissions that are detectable well over the horizon, like, inside NATO controlled territory, where that sigint might usefully be passed back to Ukraine to do with what it will, like plan a strike package on someone's new S-300 emplacement.
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https://twitter.com/KyivPost/status/1767818560074576051quote:Unidentified drones attacked the #Ryazan oil refinery in Russia, according to local media reports. It's a bad week to be the Russian oil industry.
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Coquito Ergo Sum posted:Poland probably has the most complete Soviet tank infrastructure, yeah. They're also cooperating long-term with South Korea to modernize and build new facilities. I recall seeing an unmodified/refinished Panzer4 at the littlefield collection with a very small hole in its rear. The Israeli forces had knocked it out in one of their first wars and hooked it up, dragged it back to a desert armor lot and let it sit for 30 years before they sold it to the museum site unseen. Packed it up in a shipping container, sent it to the U.S. and let them deal with the mess inside of bodies, UXO and an uncut breech on the main gun. They did manage to find ID for the soldiers and next of kin was notified. At the time there was no decision to repair the engine and crew compartment and now that the collection is sold off I dont know were it ended up.
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https://twitter.com/KyivPost/status/1767924089576915119quote:The Wall Street Journal reported that the US Department of Defense is now willing to transfer longer-range #ATACMS missiles. Previously, the Pentagon insisted on retaining all ATACMS missiles for US military needs. I would assume that means they're part of the ~$300 million package that got set up recently, because I can't imagine when else Ukraine would get anything from the US. This could lead to some fun events when they arrive.
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PurpleXVI posted:https://twitter.com/KyivPost/status/1767924089576915119 I get that the purpose behind loudly telegraphing any new equipment is to manage escalation, but sometimes I wonder what Ukraine could do with more range if the Russians weren't given ample time to disperse and dig in.
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On the other hand, if Russia is dispersing assets already in response to the announcement, then the missiles are going to have an effect on the battlefield before they have even arrived.
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Putin’s new best friends are three (3) AA stations. They always travel together.
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Jens Stoltenberg was rather blunt about NATO allies lacklustre deliveries of artillery shells and other things the Ukrainians need https://metro.co.uk/video/nato-chief-chastises-allies-slow-pace-weapon-deliveries-ukraine-3146755/ 'NATO allies are not providing Ukraine with enough ammunition and that has consequences on the battlefield every day. The fact that the Russians are able to outgun the Ukrainians every day, of course, is a huge challenge, and is one of the reasons why the Russians have been able to make some advances on the battlefield over the last weeks and months ... we have the capacity, we have the economies to be able to provide Ukraine what they need. This is a question of political will.'
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https://www.forbes.com/sites/davida...sh=510aaef71d63 "Golf Carts And 1960s Tanks Minus Their Turrets: As Russia Runs Out Of Purpose-Made Combat Vehicles, It’s Getting Creative ... And Desperate"
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A.o.D. posted:To add to that, if your ground sites are worried about anti-radiation missiles, the A50 lets them stay quiet until it's time to engage. Without that A50, they have to stay lit up around the clock if they're going to do their job. A HARM fired from an F-16 is far more flexible than one off an Su-24. The Sukhoi can carry the missile, and it can home in on radar emissions if you tell it where the radar is. An F-16 can go up, wait for someone to turn on a radar, and blast it. That's a much more dangerous situation for Russian air defense.
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