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MonsterEnvy posted:To be exact Ubel evil translates to “bad, ill, nauseous, sick, foul” Intuitively, you would use it if you were talking about "the lesser of two evils." That translates 1 to 1. "Das kleinere Übel." That phrase might actually be the most common use besides saying "Mir ist übel." i.e. "I'm nauseous." To be honest, the word is a bit archaic and not quite as common in modern times. According to Wikipedia it's classically the exact opposite of all that is good. So Übel includes böse, but also everything else which sucks. So Übel is just a more generalized version of the word "schlecht" (bad). cant cook creole bream fucked around with this message at 09:36 on Mar 11, 2024 |
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Something someone in this thread set off my tinfoil hat tendencies and made me think something about Ubel. Someone said something to the effect that Ubel doesn’t think like a human. And I’m thinking maybe that’s exactly what it is. Especially with how the flashback hid the upper half of her sisters head. And the whole scene where she meets Kraft and he figures out her weird plot to go on a murder spree but only in self defense. Or the contradiction of her having difficulty empathizing but having empathy powers. It’s almost as if she’s some kind of human-demon hybrid created as part of some plot who ran away. So she has the demon kill drive but the human ability to choose not to indulge in it or at least try and find ways to not feel guilt over it like the aforementioned “Kill bandits in self defense” scene. Maybe there will be a reveal where we see her sister had horns. That or I’m reading way too much into the girl being edgy.
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cant cook creole bream posted:Intuitively, you would use it if you were talking about "the lesser of two evils." That translates 1 to 1. "Das kleinere Übel." That phrase might actually be the most common use besides saying "Mir ist übel." i.e. "I'm nauseous." Yeah my language translates Ubel into the word "slecht" (bad) as well and not our word for a more harmful malevolent evil (kwaadaardigheid). That kind of evil correlates more to "Bose", and you shoud not confuse it for the dutch word "boos" which just means angry. Watching Frieren as a dutchman is also funny considering how many German words still mean the same in the Netherlands (Denken, Macht, Lawine) DeafNote fucked around with this message at 09:57 on Mar 11, 2024 |
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HamburgerTownUSA posted:Rewatching the ep just to remember who decided to fight who. Pretty sure it was a joint decision from the group but I feel like a part of discussion on who should fight who would definitely have him mention "well I was totally about to take these two solo but it rained and we won't have to worry about that here" and Lawine chip in with "ugh, fine, I know how me and Kanne fight so I'll go as backup"
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galagazombie posted:Something someone in this thread set off my tinfoil hat tendencies and made me think something about Ubel. Someone said something to the effect that Ubel doesn’t think like a human. And I’m thinking maybe that’s exactly what it is. Especially with how the flashback hid the upper half of her sisters head. And the whole scene where she meets Kraft and he figures out her weird plot to go on a murder spree but only in self defense. Or the contradiction of her having difficulty empathizing but having empathy powers. It’s almost as if she’s some kind of human-demon hybrid created as part of some plot who ran away. So she has the demon kill drive but the human ability to choose not to indulge in it or at least try and find ways to not feel guilt over it like the aforementioned “Kill bandits in self defense” scene. Maybe there will be a reveal where we see her sister had horns. That or I’m reading way too much into the girl being edgy. Every character's backstory in this show is fairly simple, so I would definitely say over thinking it.
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Also so far we've not seen a single demon have a "hobby"/craft that isn't magic - sometimes it's odd angles on magic like the fighting-style mimicry demon whose name I forget but as Flamme put it, magic is life for demons, they don't really have the social liberty to engage in pastimes that aren't magic.
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MonsterEnvy posted:To be exact Ubel evil translates to “bad, ill, nauseous, sick, foul” This feels right because Ubel is sick af
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I read Ubel's memory as a sincere and cherished one that truly affected the way she looks at the world. She immediately referred to it when explaining her thinking because it was that core to her. And it carried just a little implied threat for fun. As a treat. Ubel gets her kicks out of making people uncomfortable, but that doesn't necessarily rule out her ability to love them. I also read her relationship with Land as more than a hopeful transaction; she really thinks it's fun and funny how (little) he engages her and enjoys being around him.
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Ubel is proof is that not matter the time or age, some people simply cannot handle a bad bitch
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Yeah she definitely leans into being off-putting in order to provoke people and draw out honest responses, so she can get a sense for how their heads work.
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Ubel has a whole magic that only works if she manages to empathize with somebody which means she isn't a sociopath or anything, at least not in the textbook sense. If anything she actually seems really good at picking up what actually makes people tick, and yeah I think is hanging around with Land not just because she wants to be able to copy his broken as gently caress magic but also because she thinks it's funny just how detached he is and is enjoying that she's getting an actual challenge trying to make him open up.
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Ubel's flashback was neat. hair is suppose to be cut, so it was easy for her. The first time Sense attacked the girl in the previous, it was like okay, maybe she missed vital non-fatal spots. Then she just blows a hole thru this other girl's stomach and chest and the guy's heart area? I was gonna say, no way that isn't fatal, but they covered it by showing that the golems also have top tier healing magic. drat @ the final act of the the battle with Fern. lol if Frieren used these spells again Denken in the forest, he just be like 'well screw this, i give up' right away. Would have liked to see what the Method vs Fern fight was like for a few secs. Method contributed so much, served as the explanation lady, can heal, and strong enough radar to detect every replica and their exact locations other than Sense and Fern for everyone else to go to, and stalled replica Fern for a bit. GateOfD fucked around with this message at 18:03 on Mar 11, 2024 |
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Sydin posted:Ubel has a whole magic that only works if she manages to empathize with somebody which means she isn't a sociopath or anything, at least not in the textbook sense. If anything she actually seems really good at picking up what actually makes people tick, and yeah I think is hanging around with Land not just because she wants to be able to copy his broken as gently caress magic but also because she thinks it's funny just how detached he is and is enjoying that she's getting an actual challenge trying to make him open up. I don't think it's a spell, I think it's just a weird trait of Ubel.
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MonsterEnvy posted:I don't think it's a spell, I think it's just a weird trait of Ubel. The way it's framed it seems that Ubel does magic more on a gut feeling level than on an academic level. She obviously knows a good amount about how magic works given her qualifications as a mage, but her signature spell is described as cutting based on what she can intuitively understand cutting and she learns other peoples' magic by "getting" people which is a thing nobody else we've seen can do. As for whether there's some convoluted reason for it, dunno. One of the things Frieren the show has enjoyed emphasizing is that the world is big and history is vast. This arc's repeated motif is that the world of magic is one that's full of upsets, reversals, and unexpected outcomes. There's no real need for there to be anything to Ubel's magic beyond "she does it differently from most other people".
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Übel operates less like a wizard and more like a sorcerer. Though her CHA stat reflects a kind of off-putting anti-charisma.
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galagazombie posted:Something someone in this thread set off my tinfoil hat tendencies and made me think something about Ubel. Someone said something to the effect that Ubel doesn’t think like a human. And I’m thinking maybe that’s exactly what it is. Especially with how the flashback hid the upper half of her sisters head. And the whole scene where she meets Kraft and he figures out her weird plot to go on a murder spree but only in self defense. Or the contradiction of her having difficulty empathizing but having empathy powers. It’s almost as if she’s some kind of human-demon hybrid created as part of some plot who ran away. So she has the demon kill drive but the human ability to choose not to indulge in it or at least try and find ways to not feel guilt over it like the aforementioned “Kill bandits in self defense” scene. Maybe there will be a reveal where we see her sister had horns. That or I’m reading way too much into the girl being edgy.
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Might just be me but I think she's just crazy.
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Suddenly flashing back to Osaka with the knife in Azumanga Daioh.
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GateOfD posted:The first time Sense attacked the girl in the previous, it was like okay, maybe she missed vital non-fatal spots. I was sort of running on the assumption that the Sense copy was unwilling to kill (although willing to inflict injuries that would be fatal if they don't use the drat bottle, idiots) in the same way that the Ubel copy was a little bottle-stealing poo poo.
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She just wants to see the world and meet people Beyond that, ehhh she doesn't wanna plan too far ahead
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Shinjobi posted:She just wants to see the world and meet people Pretty much unironically this.
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Shinjobi posted:She just wants to see the world and meat people
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Maybe she just comes across worse because this is Sense's very biased retelling of events
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i like that her cutting magic that 'can cut anything' can't cut magic defense barriers because 'well its suppose to block attacks, so i can't cut it'
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People cut stone all the time It's not even that hard you can do it with some string and sand.
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And she can cut magical defenses tied to materials, as long as the material can be cut. Which is a big counter move since mages don't go around enchanting full plate armor.
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RuBisCO posted:Maybe she just comes across worse because this is Sense's very biased retelling of events Don't worry about the bodies in the forest that Kraft found though.
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HamburgerTownUSA posted:Don't worry about the bodies in the forest that Kraft found though. The bodies of CRIMINAL OUTLAW BANDITS?
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HamburgerTownUSA posted:Don't worry about the bodies in the forest that Kraft found though. Entrapment isn't a defense in generic fantasy-land, sorry (Hell, entrapment probably isn't a defense in modern Germany either)
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Dealing with bandits is a public service. You're supposed to capture them alive so they can face the kings justice but it's not a big deal if you have to defend yourself lethally.
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Speaking of modern Germany, I wonder if the Frieren timeline is basically Common Era Europe "Unified Era" = Roman Empire "Goddess descending" = Jesus -Unified Era empire collapses- -1000 year dark age- the current "Empire" = HRE, with the kingdom, etc. equivalent to the other European states war with the demon king = the Black Death the current post-demon king revival of (magical) arts and sciences on the continent = the Renaissance
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Guyver posted:People cut stone all the time Stark literally cleaves mountains in half. For training purposes. I kinda want to see a Stark-focused arc because we’ve gotten a lot of lore about mages and how they work but by all appearances top tier warriors appear to be nearly as frightening.
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As far as the other examinees go, it has been a long time since I read the exam arc in the manga, so I had completely forgotten that Frieren's reaction to Methode is literally to go "ooooh!" and bury her face in there.
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Jerkface posted:This feels right because Ubel is sick af 
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Rody One Half posted:As far as the other examinees go, it has been a long time since I read the exam arc in the manga, so I had completely forgotten that Frieren's reaction to Methode is literally to go "ooooh!" and bury her face in there. Hey I mean, if I was in her shoes: 
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Kwyndig posted:And she can cut magical defenses tied to materials, as long as the material can be cut. Which is a big counter move since mages don't go around enchanting full plate armor. I'm just assuming mages enchant everything at this point and thats why stark can cut mountains in half and jump 200 feet in the air
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