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Votskomit
Jun 26, 2013

stephenthinkpad posted:

You know how ARM got around the "tech company being forced to choose between China or US" dilemma?

They created an " ARM China" licensing company,

For what it's worth, I think it's notable that OpenKylin is advertised to work on RISC V.

I remember reading that there is a slow uptick in riscv chips being made in China, due in part to the sanctions.

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Honky Mao
Dec 26, 2012

USSR was reformed by anticommunists and PRC was reformed by communists, therefore one continues on a path of socialist development and the other collapsed

FirstnameLastname
Jul 10, 2022

stephenthinkpad posted:

There is no cold war 2 if Beijing doesn't want one.

never underestimate american paranoia

fart simpson
Jul 2, 2005

DEATH TO AMERICA
:xickos:

stephenthinkpad posted:

China only liberalized the consumer market economy in the 80s 90s, it took a long time to open the other markets (education, medical, finance), the political realm was not "liberalized".

I will give you that China got better market opportunity than the Soviet Union. I don't buy the tech transfer angle anymore. Technology for the most part, is just an organic attribute of the market production volume, once you have enough production, technology improvement will come with it. It's not something you can monetize or control. Yes the Anglos has been trying to monetize technology on the stock market and control it thru patents and copyrights and ISO type bodies. But there is no evident technology can be controlled in the sectors China entered first (consumer manufacturing).

As for the main reason why reform didn't work in the Soviet Union. Who knows maybe the USSR was too ideological. I recently read a new take: it took two to tango in the cold war. If the Soviet didn't want to engage, the cold war wouldn't have unfolded the way it did. Currently China doesn't engage in cold war 2.0 with the US. Like the congress pasted a new anti-China bill every 2 months, Beijing just doesn't react to it. There is no cold war 2 if Beijing doesn't want one. The Mao motto for this strategy is "You fight yours, I fight mine."

ok, what if the us and its allies continue to sanction and tariff and militarily surround china to an extreme degree.i don’t think china needs to “react” for that to happen

stephenthinkpad
Jan 2, 2020

fart simpson posted:

ok, what if the us and its allies continue to sanction and tariff and militarily surround china to an extreme degree.i don’t think china needs to “react” for that to happen

I am not say China won't counter sanction, but China is doing it on her own time table, in battlefield her chooses. Like the US blanket sanctioned Huawei probably expect China would sanction Apple and Qualcomm in return, but China's current strategy is to make money outside of the 1 billion population western zone instead of engaging in trade war. There are some sanctions of MIC companies but nothing against the silicon companies. I think the goal is keep the contest tension and temperature low so the third worlds can continue to trade with China without worrying. One thing about the third worlds in Latin America, ASEAN and MENA is that the regular people don't care about the Sino-US contest but the ruling elites are very susceptibility to western influence. In fact, we probably will see the Chinese strategy again from how the tiktok dispute playout, I predict it will take the longest and soft route on the court room. And when the court take the US government's side eventually, tictok will go web app for the US market instead of selling it off.

Tariff just doesn't work, is it even a net positive to US and net negative to China with the 15-20% tariff? If Trump come back, he said he will bring the tariff 40%. I believe he will do it, and the whole country to find out what good it will do.

Beijing probably will react a lot stronger if the US actually deliver the weapons they promised to Taiwan. Right now they are just keep taking weapon order money without sending over anything to Taiwan (and Japan and Philippines.) Maybe the US is just scamming Taiwan for protection money? I genuinely not sure whether US has a plan with Taiwan.

stephenthinkpad has issued a correction as of 13:47 on Mar 11, 2024

Eminent DNS
May 28, 2007

stephenthinkpad posted:

Beijing probably will react a lot stronger if the US actually deliver the weapons they promised to Taiwan. Right now they are just keep taking weapon order money without sending over anything to Taiwan (and Japan and Philippines.) Maybe the US is just scamming Taiwan for protection money? I genuinely not sure whether US has a plan with Taiwan.

Lol yeah, I think you nailed it there. The US, generally speaking, doesn't have any plans whatsoever. It's all reactive

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer

All the Asian men got replaced but not the women lol

fits my needs
Jan 1, 2011

Grimey Drawer
https://x.com/LATSeema/status/1767138404108824934?s=20

Homeless Friend
Jul 16, 2007
lol the sihk trucker under that article has some great photos

Homeless Friend
Jul 16, 2007
no country for old men rear end lighting

Honky Mao
Dec 26, 2012

Eminent DNS posted:

Lol yeah, I think you nailed it there. The US, generally speaking, doesn't have any plans whatsoever. It's all reactive

The economy runs on reactive algorithms so why not our tired routine imperialist campaigns as well

Isentropy
Dec 12, 2010


As someone from Rexdale: I'd like to lol and lmao at the new poo poo show you just found. They casually mentioned the magnum opus of Sikh separatism in Canada, Air India Flight 982

Al!
Apr 2, 2010
Probation
Can't post for 4 hours!

dw the book sucks too

Peggotty
May 9, 2014

LOL I was wondering how they were going to sell a show with a bunch of chinese main characters but they just made them white that's insane

PhilippAchtel
May 31, 2011

Homeless Friend posted:

lol the sihk trucker under that article has some great photos



In my experience Sikhs love two things: trucking and farming

PhilippAchtel
May 31, 2011

Peggotty posted:

LOL I was wondering how they were going to sell a show with a bunch of chinese main characters but they just made them white that's insane

Thank God I was able to watch the original Squid Game and Parasite before they were stolen adapted

Truga
May 4, 2014
Lipstick Apathy

btw i started watching the chinese 3body show and it was suddenly 4am the other day, it's real good and on torrents

stephenthinkpad
Jan 2, 2020
I am not going to watch the show because I hate GoT S8. I just don't understand why Netflix optioned that book series instead of other more soapy scifi. Something that has more aliens can filmed in the TV setting. Diamond Age+Snow Crash, or Book of New Sun for high brow, or Ringworld, Mass Effect for trashy soap.

Isentropy
Dec 12, 2010

Truga posted:

btw i started watching the chinese 3body show and it was suddenly 4am the other day, it's real good and on torrents

Does it have subs?

Truga
May 4, 2014
Lipstick Apathy
yes

e: search for pablosoze on 1337, the subs aren't amazing but they work fine

ikanreed
Sep 25, 2009

I honestly I have no idea who cannibal[SIC] is and I do not know why I should know.

syq dude, just syq!

Isentropy posted:

Does it have subs?

I mean da shi is obviously topping wang miao, but I don't know if I'd call him a sub.

Truga
May 4, 2014
Lipstick Apathy
lol

bedpan
Apr 23, 2008

Peggotty posted:

LOL I was wondering how they were going to sell a show with a bunch of chinese main characters but they just made them white that's insane

hahaha

Honky Mao
Dec 26, 2012

Peggotty posted:

LOL I was wondering how they were going to sell a show with a bunch of chinese main characters but they just made them white that's insane

Is that real that's hilarious

JAY ZERO SUM GAME
Oct 18, 2005

Walter.
I know you know how to do this.
Get up.


i would have been more surprised if they didn't

skooma512
Feb 8, 2012

You couldn't grok my race car, but you dug the roadside blur.
Meanwhile Shogun is just killing it.

[as far as I can personally tell]

Cerebral Bore
Apr 21, 2010


Fun Shoe

fart simpson posted:

ok, what if the us and its allies continue to sanction and tariff and militarily surround china to an extreme degree.i don’t think china needs to “react” for that to happen

objectively speaking the endless sanctions regime has gotten to the point where it's hurting the west more than the countries they're trying to punish, so why should the chinese care if america wants to keep shooting itself in the foot?

eSports Chaebol
Feb 22, 2005

Yeah, actually, gamers in the house forever,

mila kunis posted:

its just a matter of time. it'd be criminally incompetent if they weren't working on a way to wean everyone completely off reliance on american software

This is what annihilation looks like: China’s software industry reduced to zero overnight. Complete collapse. No chance of survival.

dead gay comedy forums
Oct 21, 2011


stephenthinkpad posted:

Who knows maybe the USSR was too ideological

Come on, dude. This stuff gets litigated often enough around here that you know that this is a very bad reply. The Iron Curtain was a term imposed on the Soviet Union, not made by themselves as they somehow decided to close themselves from the world. It's ludicrous to say that USSR didn't choose commerce - it was denied to them! Another huge motivation for the Warsaw Pact was to form an economic trading bloc as well. But worse even is

quote:

If the Soviet didn't want to engage, the cold war wouldn't have unfolded the way it did

Seriously?

Forums poster stephenthinkpad, the CIA sabotaged electronic imports to the USSR that, among other things, wrecked pressure regulation flows from the new exploits of the West Siberian oilfields, which got several people in Western Europe to break the line and start considering trading negotiations. And this was in a phase of "better relations". How do you think things went when American congressmen were banging the drum about shooting every red in the Western Hemisphere?

WhiskeyWhiskers
Oct 14, 2013


"هذا ليس عادلاً."
"هذا ليس عادلاً على الإطلاق."
"كان هناك وقت الآن."
(السياق الخفي: للقراءة)
One of China's major criticisms of the Soviet Union at the time was that they were too friendly with the US.

The difference really was Destalinsation. The Soviet people sacrificed so much from 1917 to 1953 for a better world, and then were told their sacrifices were actually the Communist Party forcing them to endure those deprivations needlessly. Of course the next generation of Bolsheviks were going to grow up to become liberals and work towards the destruction of the USSR.

my dad
Oct 17, 2012

this shall be humorous
The resources, time, and effort spent bringing down the Soviets were, by necessity, not being spent elsewhere. Were they not spent on the Soviets, they would have been spent elsewhere.

For all of China's incredible achievements, one cannot ignore the shield provided to it by the mere existence of the Soviet Union. And to combine the two points brought up above, even when the Soviets were trying to not be targeted so much, they were still targeted without a second of reprieve, and being the shield of the Socialist world, whether they wanted to or not.

An Jung-geun
Sep 2, 2022

WhiskeyWhiskers posted:

One of China's major criticisms of the Soviet Union at the time was that they were too friendly with the US.

The difference really was Destalinsation. The Soviet people sacrificed so much from 1917 to 1953 for a better world, and then were told their sacrifices were actually the Communist Party forcing them to endure those deprivations needlessly. Of course the next generation of Bolsheviks were going to grow up to become liberals and work towards the destruction of the USSR.

This is why Deng's "70% good, 30% bad" assessment of Mao--despite Deng's significant personal suffering during the Cultural Revolution--was a stroke of genius, as is the CPC's constant struggle that continues to the present day against the issue you mention above, which they call "historical nihilism."

stephenthinkpad
Jan 2, 2020

dead gay comedy forums posted:

Come on, dude. This stuff gets litigated often enough around here that you know that this is a very bad reply. The Iron Curtain was a term imposed on the Soviet Union, not made by themselves as they somehow decided to close themselves from the world. It's ludicrous to say that USSR didn't choose commerce - it was denied to them! Another huge motivation for the Warsaw Pact was to form an economic trading bloc as well. But worse even is

Seriously?

I already said it was my guess. I don't know which factor is the primary factor or any single factor caused the '91 event .

The reason I said too ideological was this. Deng let people have limited discussion and experimentation on economic policies but no discussion on political reforms. It didn't make sense or seem fair, but it was a practical move. Gorbachev was trying to make economic and politic reforms at the same time, trying to have a correct structures. Hence my comment of too ideological.

quote:

Forums poster stephenthinkpad, the CIA sabotaged electronic imports to the USSR that, among other things, wrecked pressure regulation flows from the new exploits of the West Siberian oilfields, which got several people in Western Europe to break the line and start considering trading negotiations. And this was in a phase of "better relations". How do you think things went when American congressmen were banging the drum about shooting every red in the Western Hemisphere?

So what do you think caused the dissolution of USSR? It was definitely not the western sanctions on import goods. As we can see sanctions in the current decade, the US has never imposed effective sanctions on any country, nor effective ban on any substance inside the US. The bigger the target country, the less effective the sanction it is. Sanction is basically a "piss at you from my high horse" P.R. move.


my dad posted:

The resources, time, and effort spent bringing down the Soviets were, by necessity, not being spent elsewhere. Were they not spent on the Soviets, they would have been spent elsewhere.

For all of China's incredible achievements, one cannot ignore the shield provided to it by the mere existence of the Soviet Union. And to combine the two points brought up above, even when the Soviets were trying to not be targeted so much, they were still targeted without a second of reprieve, and being the shield of the Socialist world, whether they wanted to or not.

I basically agree with this. Some times I think PRC just had better luck than the Soviet, by being later to the battle field and late to become enemy number one. Like even this Ukraine war IMO is lucky for PRC, because Russia Federation has caught up so much of the US waning empire's fury by being the first one flip the table coming out of Covid.

stephenthinkpad has issued a correction as of 23:49 on Mar 11, 2024

Tankbuster
Oct 1, 2021

its all the cooler when you remind them that their kinfolk in india are caucusing with socialists, communists and farmer-laborer organizations.

Danann
Aug 4, 2013

https://twitter.com/CNBCi/status/1767052871487410346

let them rot :xickos:

Danann
Aug 4, 2013

Peggotty posted:

LOL I was wondering how they were going to sell a show with a bunch of chinese main characters but they just made them white that's insane

ghost in the shell cinematic universe already at two movies

WhiskeyWhiskers
Oct 14, 2013


"هذا ليس عادلاً."
"هذا ليس عادلاً على الإطلاق."
"كان هناك وقت الآن."
(السياق الخفي: للقراءة)

An Jung-geun posted:

This is why Deng's "70% good, 30% bad" assessment of Mao--despite Deng's significant personal suffering during the Cultural Revolution--was a stroke of genius, as is the CPC's constant struggle that continues to the present day against the issue you mention above, which they call "historical nihilism."

Which is an echoing of Mao's assessment of Stalin just to make it clear to everyone, 'gently caress off if you think I'm going to be a Khrushchev.'

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.
Basically when you buy into the narratives of your mortal enemies wholesale, you're putting your nuts on the chopping block.

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy
https://twitter.com/ABSCBNNews/status/1767173635431612866

https://twitter.com/jekkipascual/status/1767361110750195972

quote:

Some of the companies joining the trade mission and who are all reportedly investing more in the Philippines are FedEx, UPS, United Airlines, Mastercard, VISA, Microsoft, and Google.

She did not disclose the exact investments per company, but Raimondo said many of these companies, especially tech firms, will launch training programs on cybersecurity, artificial intelligence and more. This will also help the semiconductor sector in the Philippines, as well as boost tourism with the addition of Cebu to United Airlines’ route map. All these investments, she said, can generate thousands of new jobs.

“US companies are interested to invest in Filipinos. Just look at the many American companies that provide employment and professional development for thousands of Filipinos, putting them on a path to higher-paying jobs,” she said.

Philippine Trade Secretary Alfredo Pascual added that they have signed agreements with many of these companies already.

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slave to my cravings
Mar 1, 2007

Got my mind on doritos and doritos on my mind.
so they are outsourcing jobs to Philippine?

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