Register a SA Forums Account here!
JOINING THE SA FORUMS WILL REMOVE THIS BIG AD, THE ANNOYING UNDERLINED ADS, AND STUPID INTERSTITIAL ADS!!!

You can: log in, read the tech support FAQ, or request your lost password. This dumb message (and those ads) will appear on every screen until you register! Get rid of this crap by registering your own SA Forums Account and joining roughly 150,000 Goons, for the one-time price of $9.95! We charge money because it costs us money per month for bills, and since we don't believe in showing ads to our users, we try to make the money back through forum registrations.
 
  • Post
  • Reply
nine-gear crow
Aug 10, 2013

MikeJF posted:

It's night and day when compared to Discovery but I don't know that I'd call it quite TNG style competence porn. SNW is still very much a bunch of people forming a found family to get help over their many background traumas. (And then there's Ortegas)

She flies the ship.

Adbot
ADBOT LOVES YOU

Phy
Jun 27, 2008



Fun Shoe

MikeJF posted:

SNW is still very much a bunch of people forming a found family to get help over their many background traumas. (And then there's Ortegas)

Instead her actor got to do that behind the scenes

McSpanky
Jan 16, 2005






counterfeitsaint posted:

Can't say I agree with that.

One of the off putting things about STD (besides the writing) is the fact that most of the characters are all clearly written to be relatable to zoomers. TNG era crews were professionals. They were working adults who were good at their jobs and got poo poo done. NuTrek era crews are all 20 somethings who are constantly overwhelmed and somewhere between the verge of an anxiety attack and just a straight up ugly-crying-on-the-job melt down. They're more interested and talking about their traumas with their found family than they are getting anything done. Zoomers, basically. There's one or two older people who are mostly there to be reassuring mentors and tell the kids what a good job their doing. I haven't watched SNW but every clip and trailer I've seen strongly suggests it's the same way. Ironically LDS, where this actually matches the premise, seems to dial it back to much more tolerable levels.

That's a boomer's idea of zoomers.

Big Mean Jerk
Jan 27, 2009

Well, of course I know him.
He's me.
The really convenient thing about any poster that still uses “STD” as an acronym for Disco up front is that you can immediately recognize that their post is poo poo without having to read the rest of it.

counterfeitsaint
Feb 26, 2010

I'm a girl, and you're
gnomes, and it's like
what? Yikes.

McSpanky posted:

That's a boomer's idea of zoomers.

Either way it sure doesn't feel like its made to appeal to me.


Big Mean Jerk posted:

The really convenient thing about any poster that still uses “STD” as an acronym for Disco up front is that you can immediately recognize that their post is poo poo without having to read the rest of it.

Lol sorry if I failed to show Mushroom Boogaloo the reverence it deserves.

Minidust
Nov 4, 2009

Keep bustin'

Actual Satan posted:

Have we ever seen a Vulcan neck pinch another Vulcan? Or a Romulan neck pinching someone?
Well humans can apparently learn the neck pinch, which always felt wrong to me. So I’d imagine Romulans are fair game, though I don’t recall if they’ve been depicted neck-pinching onscreen.

And Vulcans sometimes don’t need to bother with a mind meld and can just do telepathy. Really Vulcan super powers are all over the place, unless I’m just remembering a bunch of weird early TOS stuff here

nine-gear crow
Aug 10, 2013

counterfeitsaint posted:

Either way it sure doesn't feel like its made to appeal to me.

Lol sorry if I failed to show Mushroom Boogaloo the reverence it deserves.

I mean hate the show all you like, no one gives a poo poo, but least use its actual acronym instead of the one weird chuds gave it because they're mental 7 year olds and think their tedium is funny. It is the literal least amount of effort.

thotsky
Jun 7, 2005

hot to trot

nine-gear crow posted:

I mean hate the show all you like, no one gives a poo poo, but least use its actual acronym instead of the one weird chuds gave it because they're mental 7 year olds and think their tedium is funny. It is the literal least amount of effort.

DIS(gusting)

MikeJF
Dec 20, 2003




They wore shirts that said Disco, I'm calling it Disco.

nine-gear crow
Aug 10, 2013

thotsky posted:

DIS(gusting)

Correct.

MikeJF posted:

They wore shirts that said Disco, I'm calling it Disco.

Also correct.

thotsky
Jun 7, 2005

hot to trot
Actually, the acronym is AIDS.

McSpanky
Jan 16, 2005






counterfeitsaint posted:

Either way it sure doesn't feel like its made to appeal to me.

Yeah, I mean it's just like every other aspect of Disco, written by people who don't have a clue but think they're hip and tapped in to what audiences want.

Atlas Hugged
Mar 12, 2007


Put your arms around me,
fiddly digits, itchy britches
I love you all
I cannot stress just how much my kid loved Prodigy. It's absolutely perfect for kids and highly entertaining for parents because it doesn't pull punches.

Anyway, I watched "Harbinger" last night and gently caress Phlox so loving much. Worst doctor in Trek, at least this season 3 incarnation of him.

"But Captain, torturing this disintegrating man is unethical!"

"Do it!"

"Alrighty then. Insert the torture nodes here, here, and here."

Honestly, just give me the T'Pol and Trip show at this point (is Hoshi even in this season?). Genuinely engaging and fun subplot exploring their romance and it is constantly being derailed by this absolute garbage Xindi poo poo and I hate it. God, the whole thing with the not-a-Suliban agent doesn't even make sense. He was unconscious and needed to be found and brought aboard a ship to do something to its warp engine, but what? It's like Phantom Menace levels of writing. If they had kept him unconscious, he'd have just died. It happened that way because it needed to happen that way, not because it made a lick of sense. Dreadful.

Then the next episode was another letter from the doctor episode and I'm so mad at Phlox at this point that I turned it off because I just didn't want to look at him or listen to him narrate another one of his adventures. A shame too because the previous letter episode was really well done.

nine-gear crow
Aug 10, 2013
This is why Mirror Phlox is so much fun.

"Captain, I have successfully tortured the prisoner to death!"

"Excellent, doctor. How did the interrogation go?"

"...Interrogation?"

Fighting Trousers
May 17, 2011

Does this excite you, girl?

Atlas Hugged posted:

Honestly, just give me the T'Pol and Trip show at this point

This is not an unreasonable stance.

quote:

Then the next episode was another letter from the doctor episode and I'm so mad at Phlox at this point that I turned it off because I just didn't want to look at him or listen to him narrate another one of his adventures. A shame too because the previous letter episode was really well done.

Shame, because "Doctor's Orders" is one of Phlox's better episodes.

TuxedoOrca
Feb 6, 2024
I like reading people here talking about Enterprise because despite watching it last year, I can't remember most of it.

Atlas Hugged
Mar 12, 2007


Put your arms around me,
fiddly digits, itchy britches
I love you all

Fighting Trousers posted:

Shame, because "Doctor's Orders" is one of Phlox's better episodes.

I'm not skipping it, but I just had to have a break from him after Harbinger.

TuxedoOrca posted:

I like reading people here talking about Enterprise because despite watching it last year, I can't remember most of it.

Kind of how I feel about Voyager. A coworker of mine is really into it, and he has to go to great lengths to describe an episode outside of like the absolute standouts to get it to ring a bell for me. It's all just so very bleh. It rarely made me this angry, and certainly not for entire seasons though.

socialsecurity
Aug 30, 2003

I once had someone tell me that Torres and Paris was one of the greatest love stories ever written, they themselves actually wrote romance novels, I uh never felt the need to read one.

Atlas Hugged
Mar 12, 2007


Put your arms around me,
fiddly digits, itchy britches
I love you all
That might be the worst TV opinion I've ever heard.

Sir Lemming
Jan 27, 2009

It's a piece of JUNK!

nine-gear crow posted:

I mean hate the show all you like, no one gives a poo poo, but least use its actual acronym instead of the one weird chuds gave it because they're mental 7 year olds and think their tedium is funny. It is the literal least amount of effort.

To be fair, if "actual acronym" means something other than "literally the first letters of each word in the title" then maybe you need to give a little more benefit of the doubt here.

davidspackage
May 16, 2007

Nap Ghost

socialsecurity posted:

I once had someone tell me that Torres and Paris was one of the greatest love stories ever written, they themselves actually wrote romance novels, I uh never felt the need to read one.

Torres: I hate you

Paris: you love me

Torres: I hate you

Paris: you love me

Torres: I hate you

Paris: You hate me

Torres: I love you

Paris: haha gottem, no take backsies


Woman, secreting: fantastic

Veotax
May 16, 2006


Sir Lemming posted:

To be fair, if "actual acronym" means something other than "literally the first letters of each word in the title" then maybe you need to give a little more benefit of the doubt here.

Yeah man, I love watching STV and STE!

Literally no other Star Trek show is ever called by an acronym starting with "ST". People just call Discovery that because lol lol sex disease.

Seemlar
Jun 18, 2002

Sir Lemming posted:

To be fair, if "actual acronym" means something other than "literally the first letters of each word in the title" then maybe you need to give a little more benefit of the doubt here.

I'll consider giving benefit of the doubt the day I encounter a unicorn who also uses STV, STE, and STP

Fighting Trousers
May 17, 2011

Does this excite you, girl?
I wouldn't even rank Torres and Paris in the A tier of Trek romances generally, let alone all time, across all media.

No Dignity
Oct 15, 2007

To be fair none of those abbreviate into a funny acronym

No Dignity
Oct 15, 2007

Fighting Trousers posted:

I wouldn't even rank Torres and Paris in the A tier of Trek romances generally, let alone all time, across all media.

T'pol and Trip though ♥️

MikeJF
Dec 20, 2003




Honestly, my A-tier for trek romances is pretty much empty. Long term romances is not the franchise's strong suit.

Trip and T'pol could be endearing at times, I guess.

Fighting Trousers
May 17, 2011

Does this excite you, girl?

No Dignity posted:

T'pol and Trip though ♥️

Amazing what happens when you pair off characters whose actors have actual chemistry.

edit:

V-Men posted:

Wow some real Garak / Bashir / O'Brien erasure here

The O'Brien polycule is real.

Fighting Trousers fucked around with this message at 13:47 on Mar 12, 2024

V-Men
Aug 15, 2001

Don't it make your dick bust concrete to be in the same room with two noble, selfless public servants.

MikeJF posted:

Honestly, my A-tier for trek romances is pretty much empty. Long term romances is not the franchise's strong suit.


Wow some real Garak / Bashir / O'Brien erasure here

disaster pastor
May 1, 2007


I have two people for whom watching SNW with them changed them from "Trek-apathetic, leaning negative" to fans. It's really good and far surpasses Discovery despite technically spinning off it.

V-Men posted:

Wow some real Garak / Bashir / O'Brien erasure here

Yeah, the problem is the actual A-tier for Trek romance is Kirk/Spock, Garak/Bashir and O'Brien/Bashir, and the execs don't want us to have that conversation.

Barry Foster
Dec 24, 2007

What is going wrong with that one (face is longer than it should be)

disaster pastor posted:

I have two people for whom watching SNW with them changed them from "Trek-apathetic, leaning negative" to fans. It's really good and far surpasses Discovery despite technically spinning off it.

SNW and LDS have turned my previously completely indifferent/leaning "lol nerd poo poo" partner into an avid Trekkie.

Then we did the TOS movies, and now we're doing TOS (and she's seen a couple TNG and DS9 when we've happened to catch them on broadcast TV).

MikeJF
Dec 20, 2003




disaster pastor posted:

Yeah, the problem is the actual A-tier for Trek romance is Kirk/Spock, Garak/Bashir and O'Brien/Bashir,

Which is in part because a well written romance would start as a developing friendship, but for romances writers like to charge right to the sexy. For those pairs the fact that they weren't writing them as romances meant the relationship had time to breathe and deepen.

MikeJF fucked around with this message at 16:10 on Mar 12, 2024

Big Mean Jerk
Jan 27, 2009

Well, of course I know him.
He's me.

thotsky posted:

Actually, the acronym is AIDS.

drat, we’ve got a loving time traveling comedian from 2002 here.

thotsky
Jun 7, 2005

hot to trot
Actually, I'm from a future with no bad takes and I've come to steal yours.

WhiteHowler
Apr 3, 2001

I'M HUGE!

Atlas Hugged posted:

That might be the worst TV opinion I've ever heard.

"Computer, search the SomethingAwful TVIV archives for 'Skyler White'."

DoubleCakes
Jan 14, 2015

Phy posted:

Instead her actor got to do that behind the scenes

What's this about?

nine-gear crow
Aug 10, 2013

DoubleCakes posted:

What's this about?

Melissa Navia's husband died just before they started filming Season 2, so a lot of stuff that would have featured Ortegas was reworked or cut so that she could have time off for bereavement leave.

Phy
Jun 27, 2008



Fun Shoe
E: ^this, and also I'm pretty sure she's said that being able to work on the show and spend time around the rest of the cast helped her deal.

Phy fucked around with this message at 17:46 on Mar 12, 2024

disaster pastor
May 1, 2007


Yeah, it was an incredibly sudden loss (the doctors said "you have leukemia" and they didn't even have time to process it, he was dead within the week) and she's been open about how helpful it was to her to be around the SNW cast and crew in the months afterward.

Adbot
ADBOT LOVES YOU

davidspackage
May 16, 2007

Nap Ghost

disaster pastor posted:

Yeah, it was an incredibly sudden loss (the doctors said "you have leukemia" and they didn't even have time to process it, he was dead within the week) and she's been open about how helpful it was to her to be around the SNW cast and crew in the months afterward.

Jesus, that's awful. :(

  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
  • Post
  • Reply