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Snow Cone Capone
Jul 31, 2003


i just have a beer in those cases

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Laocius
Jul 6, 2013

When I was 21 and new to being in bars, I ordered a Tom Collins at a dive-rear end dive bar. The drink I received was red, garnished with a maraschino cherry, and tasted like sweet pickle juice. I’m still not sure if the bartender genuinely didn’t know how to make one or if he was loving with me.

Miss that place :swoon:

But yeah, that’s why my standard drink order is Dewars and soda or beer, unless I’m in a place explicitly called a “cocktail bar.”

you ate my cat
Jul 1, 2007

My fiancée and I are working on finding a drink to use as the 'signature cocktail' for our wedding this fall. After iterating over a bunch of options, we've landed on the mule-adjacent drink below. We were looking for something that could be made non-alc without any changes and still be good, had a fun color, and isn't super "normal".

I was hoping to get some opinions, both about the drink and how much the caterer is going to hate us for using so much juice. I feel like it's missing something, for me, but I can't figure out what.

2oz pomegranate juice
2oz pineapple juice
1/2 oz lime juice
2oz vodka
3-4 oz ginger beer
Serve in a highball glass over some ice and garnish with lime.

We're a little stuck with vodka, despite it not being my favorite, because she doesn't like bourbon and gin is a tough liquor for a crowd. The caterer makes the liquor available for other drinks, and vodka seems the most flexible in that case.

Thoughts?

Clark Nova
Jul 18, 2004

AlexDeGruven posted:

If the bartender is clearly not a bartender I go with a neat pour, Hendricks and soda (I don't like tonic)

:same: pretty good chance of them giving you tonic instead of soda anyway though

Human Tornada
Mar 4, 2005

I been wantin to see a honkey dance.
"Soda... like coke?"

Anonymous Robot
Jun 1, 2007

Lost his leg in Robo War I
What really surprised me was that you can’t get a decent drink at a casino, at least at Foxwoods or Mohegan Sun. These are places that try to create an image of opulence and class, and that have dedicated cocktail bars, but no amount of money can get you a real drink there. Maybe in the steakhouses.

prayer group
May 31, 2011

$#$%^&@@*!!!

you ate my cat posted:

My fiancée and I are working on finding a drink to use as the 'signature cocktail' for our wedding this fall. After iterating over a bunch of options, we've landed on the mule-adjacent drink below. We were looking for something that could be made non-alc without any changes and still be good, had a fun color, and isn't super "normal".

I was hoping to get some opinions, both about the drink and how much the caterer is going to hate us for using so much juice. I feel like it's missing something, for me, but I can't figure out what.

2oz pomegranate juice
2oz pineapple juice
1/2 oz lime juice
2oz vodka
3-4 oz ginger beer
Serve in a highball glass over some ice and garnish with lime.

We're a little stuck with vodka, despite it not being my favorite, because she doesn't like bourbon and gin is a tough liquor for a crowd. The caterer makes the liquor available for other drinks, and vodka seems the most flexible in that case.

Thoughts?

I've done my fair share of wedding bartending. Ten ounces is a big loving drink. You'd have to serve that without ice to fit it into whatever glassware the venue's got. Two ounces of vodka is a bit of a big serve for a highball, too. Scale that back to something like:

1.5oz vodka
1oz pineapple
1oz pomegranate
0.5oz lime
top with ginger beer, definitely not as much as 3-4oz

And everybody will be happy. You won't use up as much juice, people will be able to drink more than one, and it'll fit in normal glassware.

AlexDeGruven
Jun 29, 2007

Watch me pull my dongle out of this tiny box


For the NA version, you should just be able to whack the vodka. It shouldn't be adding that much flavor to begin with.

Steve Yun
Aug 7, 2003
I'm a parasitic landlord that needs to get a job instead of stealing worker's money. Make sure to remind me when I post.
Soiled Meat
Wanna make a clear blue cocktail and call it Water of Life

Option 1: use butterfly pea flower for color. Concern: can’t have any acidity because it will turn purple

Option 2: blue curaçao, like in an Adios Motherfucker. Concern: I heard it doesn’t taste great

Option 3: make any cocktail, use blue food dye

Any suggestions?

TengenNewsEditor
Apr 3, 2004

Steve Yun posted:

Wanna make a clear blue cocktail and call it Water of Life

Option 1: use butterfly pea flower for color. Concern: can’t have any acidity because it will turn purple

Option 2: blue curaçao, like in an Adios Motherfucker. Concern: I heard it doesn’t taste great

Option 3: make any cocktail, use blue food dye

Any suggestions?

it's #3

Strange Matter
Oct 6, 2009

Ask me about Genocide

Steve Yun posted:

Wanna make a clear blue cocktail and call it Water of Life

Option 1: use butterfly pea flower for color. Concern: can’t have any acidity because it will turn purple

Option 2: blue curaçao, like in an Adios Motherfucker. Concern: I heard it doesn’t taste great

Option 3: make any cocktail, use blue food dye

Any suggestions?
Start with a Royal Bermuda Yacht Club but with blue curacao instead of orange. That drink looks like it came right out of a star trek replicator.

Mr. Wiggles
Dec 1, 2003

We are all drinking from the highball glass of ideology.
You'll have to have cinnamon.

Also, blue Curacao is fine. I use it all the time. And in the concentration you would need to turn a clear drink light blue, it's only going to add a hint of flavor.

Strange Matter
Oct 6, 2009

Ask me about Genocide

Mr. Wiggles posted:

You'll have to have cinnamon.

Also, blue Curacao is fine. I use it all the time. And in the concentration you would need to turn a clear drink light blue, it's only going to add a hint of flavor.
Royal Bermuda Yacht Club has falernum which I think hits the right notes for that. Flame the cinnamon over-top might be on point. Garnish with a gummy worm.

EDIT: Wray and Nephew probably has the right level of consciousness expansion for it.

Strange Matter fucked around with this message at 16:16 on Mar 10, 2024

Data Graham
Dec 28, 2009

📈📊🍪😋



Hot pink is a color I wish was easier to achieve, in a clear drink (martini-glass style). There are lots of red ingredients I've tried but they always end up edging more toward the orangey side of red than "pink panther" which is what I'm going for.

After Shock is close but it's a bit much at the levels you need

Human Tornada
Mar 4, 2005

I been wantin to see a honkey dance.
IMO there's no real reason to buy blue Curacao, just use a higher quality orange liqueur and add a drop or two of food coloring if it needs to be blue.

prayer group
May 31, 2011

$#$%^&@@*!!!

Human Tornada posted:

IMO there's no real reason to buy blue Curacao, just use a higher quality orange liqueur and add a drop or two of food coloring if it needs to be blue.

dude this is like that old chili recipe comic where he tells you to throw away your premixed chili seasoning packet, then tells you to use the exact seasonings contained in the packet.

orange curacao + blue food coloring = blue curacao

JUST MAKING CHILI
Feb 14, 2008
Except there are actually good clear curaçaos and not so much on blue ones. Marie Brizard is probably okay, but the rest are sugary abominations.

TengenNewsEditor
Apr 3, 2004

Bad curaçao/triple sec will absolutely ruin a drink. Just because it's blue doesn't mean the drink needs to taste terrible. Use the good poo poo. And do you really want a bottle of awful blue bullshit taking up space in your bar?

my kinda ape
Sep 15, 2008

Everything's gonna be A-OK
Oven Wrangler
Marie Brizard and Giffard both make good quality blue curacaos. I'd definitely avoid DeKuyper.

TengenNewsEditor
Apr 3, 2004

Yeah those sound fine I've never seen them at my store though

Grand Fromage
Jan 30, 2006

L-l-look at you bar-bartender, a-a pa-pathetic creature of meat and bone, un-underestimating my l-l-liver's ability to metab-meTABolize t-toxins. How can you p-poison a perfect, immortal alcohOLIC?


I have an assumption that everything Bols and DeKuyper makes are trash I should avoid and I dunno where that came from. Am I correct or being dumb?

TengenNewsEditor
Apr 3, 2004

I would never buy anything from those brands (or hiram walker)

my kinda ape
Sep 15, 2008

Everything's gonna be A-OK
Oven Wrangler

Grand Fromage posted:

I have an assumption that everything Bols and DeKuyper makes are trash I should avoid and I dunno where that came from. Am I correct or being dumb?

Pretty much correct although I did buy the Bols Genever because it seems pretty well regarded. My general impression is that Bols products in general aren't great but are probably preferable to DeKuyper and Hiram Walker.

Grand Fromage
Jan 30, 2006

L-l-look at you bar-bartender, a-a pa-pathetic creature of meat and bone, un-underestimating my l-l-liver's ability to metab-meTABolize t-toxins. How can you p-poison a perfect, immortal alcohOLIC?


Yeah I think Bols has a few higher shelf things, I was just thinking the liqueurs with the big BOLS label.

Human Tornada
Mar 4, 2005

I been wantin to see a honkey dance.

prayer group posted:

dude this is like that old chili recipe comic where he tells you to throw away your premixed chili seasoning packet, then tells you to use the exact seasonings contained in the packet.

orange curacao + blue food coloring = blue curacao

Okay but my thoughts on the matter are of a practical nature and not ideological.

If I have a bottle of for example Pierre Ferrand already sitting on my bar, why am I going to buy something not as good and have it take up space just because it's blue?

Even if the good blue stuff were available in my state, why would I bother when I already have a bottle of blue food coloring in the kitchen that takes up like 1/100th of the space?

The Maestro
Feb 21, 2006

Data Graham posted:

Hot pink is a color I wish was easier to achieve, in a clear drink (martini-glass style). There are lots of red ingredients I've tried but they always end up edging more toward the orangey side of red than "pink panther" which is what I'm going for.

After Shock is close but it's a bit much at the levels you need

Dried hibiscus infusion/tincture/syrup might do the trick for you. Doesn’t take long to infuse and makes a dark rich magenta so you don’t need to use much.

Snow Cone Capone
Jul 31, 2003


I don't get blue curacao because it freaking stains everything

also though I don't have a dedicated curacao I just use Cointreau when I need it

prayer group
May 31, 2011

$#$%^&@@*!!!

Human Tornada posted:

Okay but my thoughts on the matter are of a practical nature and not ideological.

If I have a bottle of for example Pierre Ferrand already sitting on my bar, why am I going to buy something not as good and have it take up space just because it's blue?

Even if the good blue stuff were available in my state, why would I bother when I already have a bottle of blue food coloring in the kitchen that takes up like 1/100th of the space?

that's pretty reasonable, yeah

there's a cocktail bar in town that i like quite a bit who uses Giffard blue curacao instead of any other orange liqueur in all of their cocktails and it's really funny to me. their Corpse Revivers are like, green. it rules

Matt Zerella
Oct 7, 2002

Norris'es are back baby. It's good again. Awoouu (fox Howl)

Steve Yun posted:

Wanna make a clear blue cocktail and call it Water of Life

Option 1: use butterfly pea flower for color. Concern: can’t have any acidity because it will turn purple

Option 2: blue curaçao, like in an Adios Motherfucker. Concern: I heard it doesn’t taste great

Option 3: make any cocktail, use blue food dye

Any suggestions?

https://x.com/batsdune/status/1766669590195482854

Just buy it.

tonedef131
Sep 3, 2003

Finally finished my basement bar. I’ve been working on it for 3 years after driving to Michigan to source a 12’ live edge hickory board then shaping, epoxying and finishing it into shelves. Finally hung the last couple this weekend and installed a foot pedal on my faucet. My Mom and niece’s birthdays are on St Patty’s so I’ll be hosting the family this weekend and will put it through its paces.


Nice to have some room so I can start buying rum again!

obi_ant
Apr 8, 2005

Very nice. When is the Goon meetup?

Waltzing Along
Jun 14, 2008

There's only one
Human race
Many faces
Everybody belongs here

tonedef131 posted:

Finally finished my basement bar. I’ve been working on it for 3 years after driving to Michigan to source a 12’ live edge hickory board then shaping, epoxying and finishing it into shelves. Finally hung the last couple this weekend and installed a foot pedal on my faucet. My Mom and niece’s birthdays are on St Patty’s so I’ll be hosting the family this weekend and will put it through its paces.


Nice to have some room so I can start buying rum again!

Yes. You need more rum.

Steve Yun
Aug 7, 2003
I'm a parasitic landlord that needs to get a job instead of stealing worker's money. Make sure to remind me when I post.
Soiled Meat
What’re the two in the top shelf

TengenNewsEditor
Apr 3, 2004

looks great. Would like to see higher res photos!

tonedef131
Sep 3, 2003

Steve Yun posted:

What’re the two in the top shelf
They were gifts from my employer. This is a pretty strictly purpose built cocktail bar so I don’t bother keeping “sipper” stuff around too much. My wife is a semi serious bourbon collector but all that stays at the upstairs dry bar so the drunken riff raff stay out of it. I’ve mocked bourbon snobs frequently enough that even I’m discouraged from sampling that stash.

One is an extra anejo from Cava de Ora. I’m more of a blanco guy and don’t love tequila neat so I kinda just save it for when those types are over. The other is an apple aperitif that he found on a small island off Quebec where they grow the fruit inside the bottle then package the spirit around it. Still trying to figure out how to populate the top shelf because it’s pretty short and too high for casual reaching.

TengenNewsEditor posted:

looks great. Would like to see higher res photos!
Not great with images hopefully these are better.

Waltzing Along
Jun 14, 2008

There's only one
Human race
Many faces
Everybody belongs here
Put your St. Germain in the fridge...

tonedef131
Sep 3, 2003

Waltzing Along posted:

Put your St. Germain in the fridge...
Just because of the low proof or is there something that actually stales in it?

Alucard
Mar 11, 2002
Pillbug
No effect on flavor but it can get cloudy

tonedef131
Sep 3, 2003

I’ve never had it go cloudy and my last bottle was around long enough that the cap deteriorated. I guess that’s not worth the fridge space for me, I’ll roll the dice.

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Snow Cone Capone
Jul 31, 2003


I feel like I've heard "refrigerate your Campari and Aperol" too but never had an issue

only things in my bar fridge are wines/vermouths, juices/mixers and syrups

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