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Serephina posted:That's an interesting take. I'm bouncing between a lot of games currently, but most of them absolutely have increasing difficulty curves; an RTS, a traditional roguelike, a dark souls game, the system shock remake, etc. The only one that I'm sure won't ever get difficult is Detroit, which is a narrative game of type that's well known but new to me. I've shelved two games in the past few years since the final boss or level was just too dang hard for me. I do want to play the System Shock remake eventually. RTS are good ones that get harder at the end. Dark Souls have good hard fights but you can also get too strong or use too strong of stuff to trivialize some of it. Elden Rings ending was heavily buoyed by Melania but the most challenging fights were in the first half. Too many in the end quarter were beat first try, I'm not good enough for that kinda thing so could be kicked up some but afaik any post-launch patches mostly just made stuff easier and fixed a few of the most broken launch things. Sekiro was the best difficulty curve with the final boss being the hardest thing, I put it down after several nights of trying my best. I eventually beat it long after but in a cheesy way after spending time just relearning the controls and muscle memory. I was definitely being too broad before with certain games on my mind. I think Yakuza games are the biggest one for me with that problem, there's a fun struggle at the start, some d-side bastard putting up one hell of a fight, and then it's exciting to power up and get new moves and heat actions and all that jazz. But before the halfway mark you reach a power level where fights just become tedious busy work, even the occasional difficulty spike they throw at you becomes more of just a chance to clear inventory out a little bit to save some time. Kind of a combo problem of frequency of trash fights and abundance of ways to grow OP just by playing and doing side content. However, Amon is always a nice challenging treat for all the work to unlock him.
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Quote-Unquote posted:I've never really enjoyed JRPGs until the last couple of Yakuza/Like a Dragon entries. I only played the original FF7 for maybe an hour during a lunch break working at a video game store and it didn't click at all. Yakuza games are really bad jrpgs so I'm thinking that actually you still don't like jrpgs
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deep dish peat moss posted:I think the draw of the ff7 remakes is mostly just fans of the original seeing the world re-imagined in full 3d with admittedly really nice graphics, and also the twist on the original's story where it's more of a time loop sequel to ff7 than a straight up remake. But as someone who has very little childhood experience with the original it just felt like a pretty-but-standard 3rd person character action game with weird janky combat that tries to be a hybrid jrpg/character action game but only has light vestigial RPG systems. I would have been way more into them if they were straight up turn-based jrpg remakes with modern graphics I know tons of ppl who have enjoyed the hell out of Remake/Rebirth without having played the original FF7 or at least not having played it as a child. The actual common denominator for ppl who dislike Remake/Rebirth seems to come from a complete misunderstanding of the combat system
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Squiggle posted:I was surprised how gross and horny FF7 Remake is, it feels genuinely juvenile I didn't like it, but I honestly think that's more to do with not being 14 (the Final Fantasy age) anymore. The combat didn't click with me either. I did play it right through to the Rufus fight, I think. I'd like to get into Yakuza but don't know where to start - can people just pick up the latest one? EDIT: Yeah, the combat is a big on for FF7R, but I don't blame the game for that - I think I wanted a turn based game and AFAIK, Final Fantasy doesn't do that anymore. I would have taken a character action game too. Its probably got its merits, but I felt disincentiveised to learn it considering I played this for "free" on PS+ and I couldn't shake that it was only the first 25% of the game (which i know isn't strictly the case now). Disco Pope fucked around with this message at 10:56 on Mar 12, 2024 |
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fridge corn posted:Yakuza games are really bad jrpgs so I'm thinking that actually you still don't like jrpgs It's weird to me you hate yakuza games fridge, they are the best jrpgs I've played since the 90s. One of the very few games series that's consistently funny. Maybe I'll start yakuza 4 tonight
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Disco Pope posted:I'd like to get into Yakuza but don't know where to start - can people just pick up the latest one? Do it sequentially and start with Yakuza Zero. It's the quintessential Yakuza game which also introduces the world and characters perfectly. It's really good too. After playing that you'll know if you want more of the same. Yakuza Kiwami and Kiwami 2 are Remakes of 1 and 2. Play those instead of the originals. E: I'm playing through Yakuza 3 which people say is worth skipping, but I'm sticking with Kiryu through thick and thin, and actually like the aesthetic and appreciate what they're trying to do. Vic fucked around with this message at 11:14 on Mar 12, 2024 |
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Yakuza 3 was the one that broke my streak but I think that's mostly from it being much lesser than kiwami 2
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Yeah lol I booted Y3 immediatelly after finishing Kiwami 2 and the difference was so shocking I put it down for a few months. But after that wore off I went back to it and Y3 has that seaside vibe I really like. Really good on Steam Deck.
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JollyBoyJohn posted:It's weird to me you hate yakuza games fridge, they are the best jrpgs I've played since the 90s. One of the very few games series that's consistently funny. Oh I definitely get their appeal but they just have the absolute worst combat systems I've ever encountered. Just a chore to play. I thought I'd be able to tolerate it better when they switched to turn based for 7 but it was inexplicably worse somehow
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wilfredmerriweathr posted:Rebirth is way, way better than remake part I. Oh, ffs, really? I play these games with my wife, is this gonna be really cringe?
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Wait wait wait - HOW many ff7 redos have there been, exactly? I mean big productions, not 30 minute cutscene minigame flashback stuff or whatever. I knew there was that really big production a few years ago, but there's like another one?
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This is neither Final Fantasy nor Dark Souls/Elden Ring, but I have been really enjoying The Last Spell lately Its kinda interesting that my gameplay hours versus money spent is an inverse bell curve - At one end there's AAA shooters like Battlefield and Halo that I had a thousand hours into easily, then AAA games like GoW 2018 and HZD that I have maybe 40 hours or so, and then inexpensive games like KSP or ONI where I have a thousand hours also jesus gently caress I've played a lot of video games 
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Serephina posted:Wait wait wait - HOW many ff7 redos have there been, exactly? I mean big productions, not 30 minute cutscene minigame flashback stuff or whatever. I knew there was that really big production a few years ago, but there's like another one? The one a few years ago was part one. This is part two. Part 3 is still coming. As soon as they finish it will be so long they can assuredly start remaking them again into a cohesive single title, then, do a total rework in three parts again.
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!Klams posted:Oh, ffs, really? I play these games with my wife, is this gonna be really cringe? I'm getting a lol from the Married With Children vibes of "oh god, I don't want to do anything horny with my wife!", even though I know that's not exactly what you meant
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William Henry Hairytaint posted:I'm getting a lol from the Married With Children vibes of "oh god, I don't want to do anything horny with my wife!", even though I know that's not exactly what you meant Hahaha, oh man. Yeah, that's a bad look. She (understandably) hates most anime for infantilizing women and sexualising children and FF borders on that, I could see it getting very male gazey in a 90s way.
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It's weird because there's a lot of like, equality/equity threads in the game and for much of it it's actually way more progressive in its presentation, and indeed a lot of the game features women in positions of power and treats races and sexes much more evenly than the original. But then you have an encounter where a scantily clad woman just keeps saying weirdly sexual poo poo and it's just sorta like "yeah I'm definitely not 14 years old anymore." Granted my ex wife would have found it funnier but my current GF who already thinks gaming is for nerds would be like uhh wtf Tldr if your wife has a sense of humor and you preface the game with "this thing is anime as gently caress so be prepared for titties that defy gravity and lots of weird innuendo" then you'll probably have a great time laughing at it. It is however very male gaze-y at times and honestly much like a lot of anime it makes me just roll my eyes and be like "JFC anime can be painful as hell" - I hate most anime for probably the eame reasons your wife does, but rebirth is a kick rear end game regardless As said below, the horniest character is definitely cloud in the original and tifa in rebirth and aside from a handful of moments the game is very much girl power wilfredmerriweathr fucked around with this message at 13:59 on Mar 12, 2024 |
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!Klams posted:Hahaha, oh man. Yeah, that's a bad look. She (understandably) hates most anime for infantilizing women and sexualising children and FF borders on that, I could see it getting very male gazey in a 90s way. The Remake games definitely don't do either of those things. If anything the character Remake is most horny for is Cloud. (In Rebirth it's Tifa, though she's still definitely not infantilized.) Also I've been playing through Rebirth with my fiancee, who's not a gamer, and so far (about 75% of the way through) nothing has been cringe or awkward for us or anything like that. Harrow fucked around with this message at 14:01 on Mar 12, 2024 |
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There are moments during rebirth's cutscenes that I think about how bg3 lets you gently caress characters and while I'm guessing thats not a part of the ffvii remake I can't help but feel grossed out and all "fuckin horny rear end nerds" because I can have sex and romance with real people in the real world and i just do not understand wanting that poo poo in your gane but im uh... Probably not the target demo for that poo poo so ymmv I don't think the horny in rebirth is anything different from the original ffvii it's just I probably didn't notice it as much because each character was made of 20 polygons max.
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If foxhole had non garbage camera angle you didn't have to overcome to enjoy the game, it would kill the milsim genre for me and basically be a huge success
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wilfredmerriweathr posted:There are moments during rebirth's cutscenes that I think about how bg3 lets you gently caress characters and while I'm guessing thats not a part of the ffvii remake I can't help but feel grossed out and all "fuckin horny rear end nerds" because I can have sex and romance with real people in the real world and i just do not understand wanting that poo poo in your gane but im uh... Probably not the target demo for that poo poo so ymmv Do you hate everything in videogames that involve things you can also do in real life?
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there is something about gamified romance and sex that seems gross to me. not just because it's "cringe" (which it is) but, like, there is something morally not okay going on. i can't put my finger on why i feel that way about sex in games but not violence. values?
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wilfredmerriweathr posted:There are moments during rebirth's cutscenes that I think about how bg3 lets you gently caress characters and while I'm guessing thats not a part of the ffvii remake I can't help but feel grossed out and all "fuckin horny rear end nerds" because I can have sex and romance with real people in the real world and i just do not understand wanting that poo poo in your gane but im uh... Probably not the target demo for that poo poo so ymmv Honestly i find the horny in bg3 to be less skeevy because it's really up front that it's people having sex and not so much "tee hee the boobs bounce and the camera just kinda moves up this character's skirt" type beating around the bush about it.
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MSPain posted:there is something about gamified romance and sex that seems gross to me. not just because it's "cringe" (which it is) but, like, there is something morally not okay going on. i can't put my finger on why i feel that way about sex in games but not violence. Panzeh posted:Honestly i find the horny in bg3 to be less skeevy because it's really up front that it's people having sex and not so much "tee hee the boobs bounce and the camera just kinda moves up this character's skirt" type beating around the bush about it. 
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MSPain posted:there is something about gamified romance and sex that seems gross to me. not just because it's "cringe" (which it is) but, like, there is something morally not okay going on. i can't put my finger on why i feel that way about sex in games but not violence. It's because video game characters have no agency and cannot consent to sex
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fridge corn posted:It's because video game characters have no agency and cannot consent to sex No. It's because someone who is okay with violence but not sex is broke-brained. Overall, as a medium, the worst thing about video games is they are almost all based around violence. We need more sex in games and less violence.
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Waltzing Along posted:No. It's because someone who is okay with violence but not sex is broke-brained. Overall, as a medium, the worst thing about video games is they are almost all based around violence. We need more sex in games and less violence. Street Fucker II: Turbo
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fridge corn posted:It's because video game characters have no agency and cannot consent to sex yeah but i'm pretty sure none of the civilians in cruelty squad consented when i kicked them apart and sold their organs on the stock market either. growing up with video games is like being raised by zardoz. simple as MSPain fucked around with this message at 16:50 on Mar 12, 2024 |
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Waltzing Along posted:No. It's because someone who is okay with violence but not sex is broke-brained. Overall, as a medium, the worst thing about video games is they are almost all based around violence. We need more sex in games and less violence. We actually need way more comedy in games if anything
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Baldurs Gate III sex still looks like action figures being mashed together, but it does feel narratively earned in based in character agency, rather than the player's desire to see elf tits, which they could just do by removing characters clothes.
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MSPain posted:yeah but i'm pretty sure none of the civilians in cruelty squad consented when i kicked them apart and sold their organs on the stock market either. I mean thats kind of the point of that game, no? It being a satire and all
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Harrow posted:The Remake games definitely don't do either of those things. If anything the character Remake is most horny for is Cloud. (In Rebirth it's Tifa, though she's still definitely not infantilized.) At least Yuffie zipped up her pants in Rebirth
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MSPain posted:there is something about gamified romance and sex that seems gross to me. not just because it's "cringe" (which it is) but, like, there is something morally not okay going on. i can't put my finger on why i feel that way about sex in games but not violence. It's just this. I have friends (like IRL friends) with only fans and I've definitely dated poly girls before. It just feels weird when it's gamified. I also don't like strip clubs even though I have friends in sex work. Just not for me. I don't have to pay to get people to take their clothes off , YMMV To be clear it's not that I don't like sex in games, I just don't see the point of having it be part of gameplay. I don't care if people are having sex all the time in the game, I just don't want it to be gamified if that makes sense? Unless it's like fun or campy, the cross dressing part is hilarious E: I'm pretty old school when it comes to dating and I'm a "serial monogamist" as an ex put it, so part of it is definitely just me not being remotely interested in sex or romance except with my actual, IRL partner wilfredmerriweathr fucked around with this message at 17:45 on Mar 12, 2024 |
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wilfredmerriweathr posted:I have a girlfriend. She lives in Canada. We met at summer camp.
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Not quite, my Canadian fiance and I broke up because she was super crazy That's not a joke (and it was 20 years ago) but I'd also feel weird watching anime titties with her Also she was my calculus professor not my camp counselor. She did like Kirby games though (not an unpopular opinion) wilfredmerriweathr fucked around with this message at 18:10 on Mar 12, 2024 |
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To get the thread back on track here's another unpopular opinion: Queens blood is not as good as triple triad and in the tournament I'm convinced the later AI players just straight up cheat Ps Khanstant posted:Do you hate everything in videogames that involve things you can also do in real life? I don't hate it but yes actually I've thought a lot about this over the years and I genuinely don't enjoy games where I do things that I can do in real life, like: I do track days in my car, and since I started doing them I am no longer interested in racing games even though they can teach me tracks and skills I ski about 100 days a year and don't have any interest in skiing games, same for MTB in riders Republic I love backpacking but dislike walking sims I think I really do only like games that let me do poo poo I CAN'T in the real world, because if I can do the thing IRL then I find it a waste of time to play a game about it. I'm just weird as gently caress maybe? Or maybe I enjoy the fact that games let me experience activities and worlds i will otherwise never get to experience? Either way that doesn't seem weird to me... Now y'all got me curious, does anyone else feel similarly? I grew up in an abusive household so as a child, gaming was my escape. But now that I have the freedom to do poo poo IRL I only enjoy games that let me experience new things I can't do wilfredmerriweathr fucked around with this message at 18:21 on Mar 12, 2024 |
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fridge corn posted:It's because video game characters have no agency and cannot consent to sex It’s less this for me, and more that 99% of sex in games is the end result of “say obviously signposted dialogue/compliments, receive sex”.
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Agreed To put it another way, do people really think "drat I wish I could gently caress this character in the game, why haven't devs included this feature"? Because I have never thought that, not even as a kid watching lovely FMVs
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wilfredmerriweathr posted:Agreed Yes people think that. A lot of people do.
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