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It's just a rule that every Dune thread is the best thread.
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Mar 12, 2024 19:33
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uber_stoat posted:do not upset murderbaby. I feel bad for the actress, but at least she got to attend the Lynch Dune wrap party lol at the scene though Harah: “Lady Jessica, the other women are saying you got a weird kid” Jessica (mistily): “It is the secret knowledge with which I unwittingly imbued her” Alia: *bursts in, emits deafening foghorn noises*
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Mar 12, 2024 19:45
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lol they were all acting so seriously and then whatever the gently caress just happened
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Mar 12, 2024 20:30
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It was so good. Up until now I thought BR2049 was Villeneuve's masterpiece. This is it. My friend was pretty upset at how 'queer-coded' the Baron and Feyd were. I get his sentiment but I don't share it, it's tough to tiptoe around stuff like that but I thought all the cues from the book were included in a fairly tasteful way. Loved how the door was left open for Messiah, loved the heartbreaking treatment of Chani feeling betrayed in the last scenes. If they make any more of these, I'm gonna have to start eating some hats.
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Mar 12, 2024 20:59
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i mean, there's unfortunately a fair asymmetry of blinginess of hats betw genders, if you're eatin hats cant really beat the pimp-rear end veils the reverend mothers get
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Mar 12, 2024 21:00
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bob dobbs is dead posted:i mean, there's unfortunately a fair asymmetry of blinginess of hats betw genders I meant that I'm pretty sure I said ITT "if we get God-Emperor, I'll eat my hat." I really need to stop doing that. Saying "if [unlikely thing happens], I'll eat [inedible object]."
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Mar 12, 2024 21:02
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Mister Speaker posted:It was so good. Up until now I thought BR2049 was Villeneuve's masterpiece. This is it. I really didn't get "queer coding" at all from the Harkonnens other than Feyd (apparently improvising) kissing the Baron?
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Mar 12, 2024 21:18
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random thought: in the final confrontation, the fremen penetrate the shield wall and approach the imperial landing site on sandworms. shortly thereafter, paul becomes emperor. the circular ship is representative of the power of the imperium (an imperium, mind, which is controlled behind the scenes by an all-female order). paul combines that power with desert power, represented by the sandworms, and births a new dynasty. he penetrates the wall and when his worm meets the egg-shaped ship, emperor muad'dib is born.
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Mar 12, 2024 21:33
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penis metaphors are never far at hand in war
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Mar 12, 2024 21:37
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kalel posted:random thought: good call. considering some of the visual language toward the end of BR2049 (Joe fighting Love in a curiously smooth, white car on the crashing shores to deliver Deckard to his daughter who is crafting tomorrow’s dreams in a suspiciously womb-like room) I’m absolutely inclined to believe that was all or partly intentional
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Mar 12, 2024 21:42
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also eyes, the guy loves eyes
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Mar 12, 2024 21:44
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Ben Nerevarine posted:also eyes, the guy loves eyes the worm mouth is the iris and the imperial ship is the eyeball. when they meet, paul's visions become reality. bada bing bada boom
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Mar 12, 2024 21:49
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StashAugustine posted:I really didn't get "queer coding" at all from the Harkonnens other than Feyd (apparently improvising) kissing the Baron? Both are at best pansexual. Book-wise the Baron is gay and basically in love/lust with na-Baron Feyd, hence lovely Feyd. Primarily they are both sadists although Feyd has a big ol' masochistic streak too.
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Mar 12, 2024 22:07
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they purged 98% of herbert's homophobia (literally disowned his son for being gay) and good riddance
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Mar 12, 2024 22:09
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MLKQUOTEMACHINE posted:I don't get the children of dune hate Another feature of the series is that the weird sex stuff ramps up steadily with each book. This is the one where Leto and Ghanima openly discuss their incestuous feelings for each other and their memories of their father loving their mother and vice versa. Leto ultimately renounces sex and openly discusses breeding his sister to the Corrino guy. And Alia has the whole thing where the Baron's psyche is enjoying living in her head while she fucks hot guys. I'm not surprised this is the point where a lot of people peace out. My point is, Frank Herbert was a Republican and this is what those people are actually like when they have no filter.
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Mar 12, 2024 22:15
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bob dobbs is dead posted:they purged 98% of herbert's homophobia (literally disowned his son for being gay) and good riddance And like most homophobes, he doesn't really have a problem with lesbians, provided they take the dick of Dunc every now and then.
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Mar 12, 2024 22:15
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In the first movie during the ceremony on Caladan, are those orange-visored people behind the Herald of the Change supposed to be Guild Navigators in training? Or just Spacing Guild dignitaries who must constantly huff a helmet full of spice?
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Mar 12, 2024 22:37
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I'm certain that they're emissaries from the Guild. They're probably Navigators and the implication is that they're visibly mutated behind the helmets. It slips by a lot of people, but Navigators don't immediately turn into fishmen. I think a younger Navigator attends the Atreides banquet on Arrakis, but the implication is that they all become more mutated as time goes on, Innsmouth style. That's one of my criticisms of the first movie--the costumes are too samey. Not enough visible distinction between the Sardaukar and the Guildsmen.
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Mar 12, 2024 22:43
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They're Navigators. Look closely at the faces in the helmets. You can see the outline of a head in the orange gas and two bright blue eyes. The fish Navigators (like The Golden Path) are not actually part of the first book, thank God, and Paul literally talks to two Navigators at the end of the book who are simply described as two normal looking dudes except for the contact lenses they use to hide their blue eyes (because the Spice being important for space travel is an Act 3 twist, not something revealed at the start of the story). Edit: Too many people mix together Lynch's Dune with later Dune novels and then insert that stuff into the first book, when the first novel is very straightforward and complete, with the 2nd novel only existing because Herbert realized too many people missed the point. The first novel doesn't have any worm people, fish Navigators, or any of the other wild poo poo people always talk about. It's a really creative story about not trusting cults of personality, and it avoids all the "gazing into its own rear end in a top hat" problems the later novels get into. Anonymous Zebra fucked around with this message at 22:55 on Mar 12, 2024 |
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Mar 12, 2024 22:49
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kalel posted:random thought: It's all very on brand. skasion posted:I feel bad for the actress, but at least she got to attend the Lynch Dune wrap party Gen Alpha Alia
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Mar 12, 2024 23:05
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Say what you will about Lynch Dune but his depiction of the Spacing Guild and navigator in the opening was  So much so that my brain thought that scene actually happened in the book for a long while. The massive tank, translators in gimp suit, cleaners for the navigator slime and the Untreated Syphilis Penis Navigator gave me nightmares for a few days The weird whiplash I had as a teenager was, my first experience with Dune was Dune 2 RTS game on Amiga 500, then buying Dune (the adventure / strategy one) and being super confused about not having tanks or Sardoukars with missile launchers then finding the Lynch Dune on effin VHS, getting MEGA confused why the guy from the Police and Captain Picard is in it and FINALLY finding the books which were like translated only a few years ago and looking for House Ordos to show up until halfway through the book Man, it was such a trip to remember all those now 
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Mar 12, 2024 23:20
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Children of Dune…it’s another palace conspiracy, but this time there are tigers! Oh my! Nah, it’s not a winner. I think some of these concepts might have been better served by a slower, less plot-intensive book that could take a look at how the Atreides family relationships and Arrakis change over the years of the regency. Ultimately I’m not convinced that this all needed to happen in one fell swoop when they were 9. Children suffers from comparison to the later books which enormously outdo it for craziness (and weird sex), and to the first two which are just better and more closely in conversation with each other. That said, fishman navigators enter in Messiah, together with the Tleilaxu who are reliable harbingers of extreme weirdness. I wonder if there was an earlier plan for Alia’s character contrary to what is in Children. The appendix to the first book suggests that at that time, Herbert envisioned her outliving Jessica
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Mar 12, 2024 23:46
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I think Children should have like started with Leto becoming the Worm and then having Leto and Alia be each others' nemeses throughout and be about how he finally vanquishes her. Or even better she figures out how to free herself from the Baron and joins Leto maybe. The book wasn't fun until the end, just start there and have Leto II get progressively more and more superhero to Alia's growing frustration. He did WHAT? Kicked a tiger into space, ma'am.
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Mar 12, 2024 23:54
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Just thinking of that pic posted earlier in the thread of the lynch navigator with the note on his tank about how he has AC and his favourite music on makes me lol
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Mar 13, 2024 00:28
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The third book is alright but having Baron to return (Somehow, Vladimir has returned) as a mind ghost kinda deflated me when I was reading I think hate is a strong word but for some reason I can't articulate well, Children of Dune feels...inconsequential
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Mar 13, 2024 00:39
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Galewolf posted:The third book is alright but having Baron to return (Somehow, Vladimir has returned) as a mind ghost kinda deflated me when I was reading So, basically Belgian.
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Mar 13, 2024 00:54
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Monica Bellucci posted:So, basically Belgian. The book equivalent of Brussels irl
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Mar 13, 2024 01:48
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Anonymous Zebra posted:They're Navigators. Look closely at the faces in the helmets. You can see the outline of a head in the orange gas and two bright blue eyes. The fish Navigators (like The Golden Path) are not actually part of the first book, thank God, and Paul literally talks to two Navigators at the end of the book who are simply described as two normal looking dudes except for the contact lenses they use to hide their blue eyes (because the Spice being important for space travel is an Act 3 twist, not something revealed at the start of the story). Its pedantic but while they're definitely guild, we actually know they're not 'full' navigators - when Leto asks Thufir for the cost of the trip, he specifically notes a cost for 3 navigators, but there are 5 dudes in identical suits. Serak fucked around with this message at 02:30 on Mar 13, 2024 |
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Mar 13, 2024 02:26
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Children of Dune kinda feels like basically all setup for God-Emperor.
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Mar 13, 2024 02:38
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kalel posted:random thought: the book mentions a lot that the Jihad is less about politics and religion, and more about the instinctual human desire to mingle genes to prevent genetic stagnation. I guess the eggship scene is a good visualization of that idea.
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Mar 13, 2024 04:07
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I don’t think Herbert wrote sequels because the people refused to hear his message, I think they paid him
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Mar 13, 2024 04:33
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Halloween Jack posted:I don’t think Herbert wrote sequels because the people refused to hear his message, I think they paid him Yes, obviously. My point was more that Dune is a complete story without any lingering plot threads that one might sprinkle in for sequels. All the silly poo poo that comes later is really not in the first book at all, and I always think it's funny when people transpose Lynch Dune or later novel's concepts into the first book. The Navigators were just normal dudes with blue eyes, the worms were just weird alien animals that the Fremen worshipped/controlled, no face dancers, no Golden Path, and no immortal Duncan clones.
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Mar 13, 2024 06:36
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I can't wait for DUNC 3. I hope they stay true to the books and have Timothy Chalamet stare directly into the camera and have a 5 minute monologue about how he's worse than Hitler and everyone who thought he's the good guy is a complete moron
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Mar 13, 2024 07:48
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Or a ten minute scene where the old Fedaykin gives Paul a "back in my day" boomer talk
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Mar 13, 2024 08:40
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Anonymous Zebra posted:Yes, obviously. My point was more that Dune is a complete story without any lingering plot threads that one might sprinkle in for sequels. All the silly poo poo that comes later is really not in the first book at all, and I always think it's funny when people transpose Lynch Dune or later novel's concepts into the first book. The Navigators were just normal dudes with blue eyes, the worms were just weird alien animals that the Fremen worshipped/controlled, no face dancers, no Golden Path, and no immortal Duncan clones. I get what you’re saying but I think you’re underselling the first book’s weirdness. To someone who has never encountered the story before they have to grapple with the Bene Gesserit and their breeding program, prana bindu, mentats, sand worms, the voice, the gom jabbar, abominations, CHOAM, Suk doctors, the psychedelic descriptions of prescience etc etc. We’re used to these things being considered the substrate that the rest of the books are based on but it’s very weird in its own right. Jewmanji fucked around with this message at 13:15 on Mar 13, 2024 |
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Mar 13, 2024 13:13
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Jewmanji posted:Suk doctors Scene: Desert, ext. Paul: "I think my worm is too dry." Chani, slapping latex glove on: "There's a prescription for that." Camera pans up, music starts: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JhASOgRA1SE
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Mar 13, 2024 14:50
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Mar 13, 2024 15:09
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Radio controlled tigers and Paul Muadib with a napkin on his face, I don't know what else a person could want.
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Mar 13, 2024 15:15
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Anonymous Zebra posted:Yes, obviously. My point was more that Dune is a complete story without any lingering plot threads that one might sprinkle in for sequels. All the silly poo poo that comes later is really not in the first book at all, and I always think it's funny when people transpose Lynch Dune or later novel's concepts into the first book. The Navigators were just normal dudes with blue eyes, the worms were just weird alien animals that the Fremen worshipped/controlled, no face dancers, no Golden Path, and no immortal Duncan clones. (I would say that the ancestral memory stuff in Children gets over the top. It's not just traits, instincts, or impulses that can be triggered, apparently every one of us is a complete library of the entire consciousness of all of our descendants, who can potentially resurface as a split personality.)
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Mar 13, 2024 15:17
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Halloween Jack posted:Like Jewmanji said, from the get-go Dune is full of pseudoscientific concepts like race memory and training people to be superhumans that were in vogue in the 60s and 70s, but today are just as far-fetched as e.g. Force Ghosts. What's particularly silly about the psychic fishman swimming in a tank full of drugs? And Leto didn't even escape Abomination, he just allied with inner-Agamemnon who was strong enough to tell all the other inner personalities to STFU.
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