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15 | 3.71% |
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115 | 28.47% |
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87 | 21.53% |
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I don't know what kind of escalation you people want from Russia? Anything in Ukraine is a target, the next obvious step would be to start grounding surveillance craft flying over the Black Sea if anything.
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Mar 13, 2024 14:43
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To be perfectly honest, one thing people haven't talked out is actually...the general Russian public is far more bloodthirsty than people think. I am not talking about English speakers or people who live in the West, but average people...are not very enlightened. They really don't give a gently caress. Also to be honest, even if it is a result of the 1990s, Russians are racist and homophobic at pretty much a point of pride. They don't care about slamming the enemy with everything either, as long as they win. It really isn't the public holding the government back, it is pretty much the other way around. I don't say this as ideal conjecture either. It is really when NATO is playing with fire, if the Russian public was concerned they would really be going to Berlin if not Paris and Stockholm. Perhaps sending in the conscripts would have been divisive among the Moscow middle class but overall, the Russian public itself doesn't have a problem with the concept of "SLAVA."
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Mar 13, 2024 14:45
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Ardennes posted:The whole hulldown thing was stupid even back in the 80s, one of the key features of a tank is mobility and you sacrifice that in a potential battlefield where there would have been a ton of CAS/artillery/ATGMs flying around. It is even worse now with drones. what's reserve speed?
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Mar 13, 2024 14:48
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Lostconfused posted:I don't know what kind of escalation you people want from Russia? yup genericnick posted:That was always how those proxy wars worked, though. No point in complaining about it now. You just drop some missiles on the "advisors" and move on imo
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Mar 13, 2024 14:49
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Ardennes posted:To be perfectly honest, one thing people haven't talked out is actually...the general Russian public is far more bloodthirsty than people think. I am not talking about English speakers or people who live in the West, but average people...are not very enlightened. They really don't give a gently caress. this post is straight out of Hardcore History
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Mar 13, 2024 14:49
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Ardennes posted:Also to be honest, even if it is a result of the 1990s, Russians are racist and homophobic at pretty much a point of pride. Really sick of hearing that as a justification by our enlightened liberal foreign policy elite.
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Mar 13, 2024 14:53
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gradenko_2000 posted:From "August 2008 and Everything After: A Ten-Year Retrospective on the Russia-Georgia War", Robert E. Hamilton I came across these too (from a post of yours or FF, can't recall atm) but found it odd that no mention was made of the week preceding the 7th in most of them, and saw little of NATO's shaky assurances, but thanks for highlighting some stuff I missed.
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Mar 13, 2024 14:53
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euphronius posted:this post is straight out of Hardcore History Some times there are consequences, but I actually don't think Westerns actually understand what the Russian public thinks or wants. They are far more aggressive, right-wing, and nationalistic that Westerns think. It doesn't mean Russian society is a bunch of huts among the tundra, but it is the government that is holding them back relatively speaking. It is why relying on the Russian public to holding the government back is not a really a thing. The only time Putin was more popular now was back in the spring of 2014, it isn't an accident. DJJIB-DJDCT posted:Really sick of hearing that as a justification by our enlightened liberal foreign policy elite. Well isn't that that where the hypocrisy lies? You destroy a civilization, fill it as best you can with right-wing maniacs, and then demonize for what resulted from it. Unfortunately, I thought that doesn't mean there is a result. I have heard first hand, including very recently, it is pretty regularly for trans/cross-dressing people to be beaten to a pulp even in Moscow, including its outskirts. If someone is a "педераст" you pretty much can beat them on the spot. Btw, "педераст" is very very wide category. Ardennes has issued a correction as of 15:00 on Mar 13, 2024 |
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Mar 13, 2024 14:54
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euphronius posted:this post is straight out of Hardcore History You don't have to think Russians are some unique atavistic evil to say some of them are bloodthirsty nationalists. A lot of people are! I'd be more surprised if they weren't, given how much less war hosed up American politics
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Mar 13, 2024 14:57
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It's called rally around the flag and it's good and noble and everyone should do it. No not like that!
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Mar 13, 2024 15:05
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Every russian i've ever met has been exactly like every canadian and american i've met, so i can't dispute that post
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Mar 13, 2024 15:06
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Even the sympathetic accounts, this is a review of A Little War that Shook the World: Georgia, Russia, and the Future of the West and The Guns of August 2008: Russia's War in Georgia are very quick to deny any green light, while constructing a series of events that doesn't make much sense in its absence, especially considering the NATO expansion announced 4 months earlier.  I can see that on August 7, "Georgian President Saakashvili consults Western diplomats and U.S. Deputy Assistant Secretary of State Matthew Bryza", but can find no information on the content of that call.
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Mar 13, 2024 15:08
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Ardennes posted:Well isn't that that where the hypocrisy lies? You destroy a civilization, fill it as best you can with right-wing maniacs, and then demonize for what resulted from it. Sure, but in the context of geopolitics, NATO expansion, even regime change and balkanization in Russia wouldn't improve that. cuius regio eius religio
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Mar 13, 2024 15:10
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OhFunny posted:https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/26509818/ukrainian-soldiers-brit-challenger-2-tanks-russia/ i laughed at this bit quote:He added that he feared commanders had failed to grasp that Nato tanks were built for different roles from Soviet ones.
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Mar 13, 2024 15:22
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VoicesCanBe posted:
if they are more efficient maybe they arent "obsolete" DeimosRising posted:what's reserve speed? they meant to type reverse speed
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Mar 13, 2024 15:23
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Megamissen posted:if they are more efficient maybe they arent "obsolete" 
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Mar 13, 2024 15:29
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VoicesCanBe posted:with disparate Western equipment that was less efficient than the old Soviet material ("obsolete, easy to maintain, and capable of being used in degraded mode", the report mentions) russian equipment isn’t a maintenance hog (derogatory)
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Mar 13, 2024 15:34
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ro5s posted:russian equipment isn’t a maintenance hog (derogatory) This is what happens when you lionize the people who made BMWs and not Trabants.
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Mar 13, 2024 15:38
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Bavaria has much to answer for.
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Mar 13, 2024 15:39
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Lostconfused posted:Bavaria has much to answer for. Sorry for all the cool clothes, bopping jams, delicious cabbages, and adequate beer
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Mar 13, 2024 15:50
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Alpha 1 posted:It's 14th Galiciover in Canada I hate this poo poo. I hate being told what's important to Ukrainians, and it's invariably all of this nazi garbage. Stop trying to tell me what the dumb people still living in the fake country my ancestors were smart enough to leave think about this poo poo. These white nationalists/white supremacists shouldn't have a voice in the discourse regarding the country, period. I oppose them bitterly and openly here at home too. These monuments and the evil people they commemorate must be erased from the memory of man; only the gravity of their crimes must be contemplated.
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Mar 13, 2024 15:58
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euphronius posted:this post is straight out of Hardcore History Not enough boxing analogies
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Mar 13, 2024 16:01
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Nato thought the Russians couldn’t take a punch, but they are still standing through 7 rounds and nato is gassed.
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Mar 13, 2024 16:05
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https://twitter.com/yarotrof/status/1767824155108311284 The entire collective west doesn't understand the concept of leverage in the context of negotiations.
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Mar 13, 2024 16:07
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DJJIB-DJDCT posted:Sure, but in the context of geopolitics, NATO expansion, even regime change and balkanization in Russia wouldn't improve that. Have you tried? You can't say it doesn't work if you haven't even tried it.
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Mar 13, 2024 16:07
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VoicesCanBe posted:The entire collective west doesn't understand the concept of leverage in the context of negotiations. The deal they would have got before was better than the deal they'll get now
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Mar 13, 2024 16:09
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Again, as much as I personally like Boris Johnson I would never loving listen to the man
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Mar 13, 2024 16:09
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Praise God
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Mar 13, 2024 16:10
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gradenko_2000 posted:some retrospectives on the Russo-Georgian War will claim that Georgia was "provoked" into invading South Ossetia, or that they "had no choice", or that they had to move preemptively, or may even go so far as to say that Russia was already marching towards/into South Ossetia and the Georgians were simply trying to beat them to the punch they owned south ossetia tho you cant invade your own country
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Mar 13, 2024 16:11
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Ardennes posted:To be perfectly honest, one thing people haven't talked out is actually...the general Russian public is far more bloodthirsty than people think. I am not talking about English speakers or people who live in the West, but average people...are not very enlightened. They really don't give a gently caress. If Russians were as bloodthirsty as these people think, we wouldn't even be having the current war because West Ukraine, Poland, and the Baltics wouldn't even loving exist.
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Mar 13, 2024 16:20
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euphronius posted:Nato thought the Russians couldn’t take a punch, but they are still standing through 7 rounds and nato is gassed. NATO thought they could take what they learned in MMA (war on terror) and apply it to boxing (old fashioned land war) but it turns out that punching (artillery) and cardio (ammo production) is still king
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Mar 13, 2024 16:22
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Organ Fiend posted:If Russians were as bloodthirsty as these people think, we wouldn't even be having the current war because West Ukraine, Poland, and the Baltics wouldn't even loving exist. That is the point, the Russian government is restraining the populace rather than them being puppets of Putin’e ambitions. It anything the frustration is how limited and slow the war has been going. If there was a big thrust into the Baltic states, there wouldn’t be riots, there would be celebration.
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Mar 13, 2024 16:29
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crepeface posted:NATO thought they could take what they learned in MMA (war on terror) and apply it to boxing (old fashioned land war) but it turns out that punching (artillery) and cardio (ammo production) is still king as a boxer i wouldnt consider mma an easy opponent Teh war on terror is more akin to aikido or something
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Mar 13, 2024 16:30
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OctaMurk posted:as a boxer i wouldnt consider mma an easy opponent I'm thinking of the recent ngannou vs AJ fight!
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Mar 13, 2024 16:33
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VoicesCanBe posted:https://twitter.com/yarotrof/status/1767824155108311284 Wow hopefully the retarded cokehead billionaire in charge of Ukraine surrenders because there are no other options for ending this war aside from slowly grinding the population into dust Extremely braindamaged D&D freak: yes this is why Ukraine should start conscripting women #girlboss
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Mar 13, 2024 16:36
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Раньше всех. Ну почти. posted:Russia will not take part in the conference on Ukraine in Switzerland, even if it is invited — Russian Foreign Ministry
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Mar 13, 2024 16:38
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Ardennes posted:That is the point, the Russian government is restraining the populace rather than them being puppets of Putin’e ambitions. I'd be curious of the man-on-the-street opinion of hot dog man, he definitely felt like he at least had the support of the general populace in wanting to war harder
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Mar 13, 2024 16:38
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The levada or meduza, or whatever poll from back then had him at a 30% approval rating, which seems pretty solid for someone that nobody really heard of a year before.
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Mar 13, 2024 16:40
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DJJIB-DJDCT posted:But then I do get in a bit of a chicken and egg thing because would the Russian public have supported the government in knocking out the power grid, railways, bridges and tunnels and ports on day one? Would they have supported the Black Sea Fleet not just cruising around but sinking Ukrainian merchant ships and firing cruse missiles around the clock - if not opting for a close blockade, shelling and feinting landings on the coast? Would they have been on board with Mariupol, Bakhmut, Avdeyevka, and at minimum the Kiev suburbs that held them up, getting flattened immediately instead of the slow, drawn out affair? If the uptick in crossborder fire that the monitors recorded is true they might've gained a casus belli had they waited, though it would've meant watching Ukraine do a little bit of political action
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Mar 13, 2024 16:44
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Ardennes posted:That is the point, the Russian government is restraining the populace rather than them being puppets of Putin’e ambitions. It is a liberal democracy. Public opinion is irrelevant. It is just noise to be turned into excuses.
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