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Xombie posted:I original point had nothing to do with the positive or negative impact TikTok has on voters. I was saying that no one is going to stop voting for Democrats just because they can't use TikTok. I can see where we were talking past each other here. It's all good.
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Magic Underwear posted:sends as much data as they can to China Good (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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FlamingLiberal posted:Yes and Facebook/Meta has been found to do all sorts of shady poo poo with their algorithms but at no point have they been punished for any of it There have been multiple attempts, there's a reason Zuckerberg is in front of Congress so often. Potato Salad posted:a great platform for allowing people to share the uncut realities of the American experience with each other Jesus loving Christ. Seriously, ban it all. Ban it all now. If this is the sort of zombie it creates, it needs to die yesterday. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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brugroffil posted:Good GlyphGryph posted:Jesus loving Christ. Seriously, ban it all. Ban it all now. If this is the sort of zombie it creates, it needs to die yesterday. mawarannahr fucked around with this message at 17:01 on Mar 13, 2024 |
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brugroffil posted:Good Alright well I guess we don't have much to talk about if you consider that a positive thing.
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Magic Underwear posted:Holy poo poo tiktok brain is real. I'm shocked to see this on a forum that I see as one of the last holdouts against algorithm-driven engagement factories. Tiktok uses a totally oapque algorithm to feed you non stop images and sounds of their choosing and sends as much data as they can to China and lied about doing so. If you want to call that "democratic" you've lost your mind. I don't know how to engage this any better than I know how to engage Chuck Grassley about it. And I used to consider him okay-ish-ish a good long time ago, having literally fielded technical questions from him before, face to face.
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Potato Salad posted:
TikTok isn't special. It's just current. MySpace, Vine, Snapchat, Youtube, Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, none of these were special in a way that didn't stop a future success by another social media company that led them to get trounced by the next big thing. Your argument is predicated on TikTok being banned and it not getting replaced by something even more popular. In the history of the internet, that would be a first.
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I can't explain the phenomenon to you, nor shall I pretend to. You're telling me Tiktok isn't the first social media platform in existence, and I counter "well they did something right on this one," per its wild success and the side effect of being a great platform for allowing people to share the uncut realities of the American experience with each other.
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Magic Underwear posted:Alright well I guess we don't have much to talk about if you consider that a positive thing. As an American I would much rather have China own my data than some white supremacist American like Elon Musk, which will be the inevitable outcome of this bill unless Tiktok is pulled from the US.
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What if the state of Israel owned TikTok, would everyone still be defending it?
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Xombie posted:TikTok isn't special. It's just current. MySpace, Vine, Snapchat, Youtube, Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, none of these were special in a way that didn't stop a future success by another social media company that led them to get trounced by something else. Your argument is predicated on TikTok being banned and it not getting replaced by something even more popular. Reread the part I underlined and you find why, today, in the current world, a certain bill passed. Then think about why they voted yes. Who said anything about tiktok's star eventually setting, like any other platform? Sure it will, but uhhh how is that at all relevant. When I talk with new voters who are stunningly-well informed, this is the zeitgeist that's brought up.
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GlyphGryph posted:There have been multiple attempts, there's a reason Zuckerberg is in front of Congress so often. Which sounds likelier to you: that I'm a zombie, or you don't like hearing what I have to say about my experience canvassing and how that's changed in the last 4 of 12-ish years I've done so on a regular basis? Consider why you're so keen to rapidly reject boots-on-the-ground viewpoints on the american information ecosystem. lord I cannot believe I am typing these words sincerely Edit: not even really my viewpoint; I'm just relaying the aggregate sum of what my ears hear young voters tell me on doorsteps and in hallways.
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Mar 13, 2024 17:05
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"No no, this massive social media company sucking up user data into a black box and feeding them engagement bait from an ever tightening algorithm is the good one!" Remember when Google's motto was Don't Be Evil?
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Blind Pineapple posted:The most confusing thing about the Tiktok ban is why republicans aren't reversing course on it. They have no moral qualms about selling out to foreign powers, and labeling democrats as the party that wants to take away Tiktok would absolutely swing enough millenial/zoomer votes to matter in some races. Democrats will be blamed regardless as they should be if Biden signs it.
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Nucleic Acids posted:Being owned and potentially controlled by an "adversarial country" seems pretty weak to me.
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All social media must be destroyed, this is a good start
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I know the wheels of government grind slowly, but is an anti-Ke$ha bill really needed in 2024?
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First they came for tik tok, but I did not care because I'm not a loving moron that uses social media. Like what the gently caress are you all doing using services like that in the first place, let alone simping for them. Y'all are telling on yourselves white knighting the brian rot apps that you're addicted to. Enjoy it if you want but lol at giving a poo poo about what happens to these apps and companies.
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PharmerBoy posted:"No no, this massive social media company sucking up user data into a black box and feeding them engagement bait from an ever tightening algorithm is the good one!" They're all bad and a huge net negative on society. Pretty dumb to be targeting just one because CHINA!!! though. I'm sure they'll drag Zuck in front of Congress again at some point and then continue to do nothing.
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haveblue posted:All social media must be destroyed, this is a good start Forums excluded, of course
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Oxyclean posted:Yeah, it's a dumb reason. What they should do is go after all big social media and companies doing data harvesting, regardless if they're international or local, but we can't actually have meaningful consumer protection and interests in mind. Putting on my professional hat, yeah the actual solution to malicious information control is to cut out the malicious part. It is absurd to assume that the only actor who wishes ill will upon the national security of the united states is foreign. stares at Jan 6 2021 on calendar Swat all the flies at once by actually protecting consumer privacy, if you're concerned about how user data can be used to harm American interests.
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RBA Starblade posted:Forums excluded, of course Anti-social media is allowed
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marshmonkey posted:What if the state of Israel owned TikTok, would everyone still be defending it? If Israel owned it, we wouldn't be having this conversation because there never would've been counter-narrative videos of the genocide in Gaza in the mainstream, which is what is really driving all this. Anecdotes and all that, but I know a few people who have been radicalized by Tiktok, and people who never knew a thing about I/P are suddenly very pro-Palestine.
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haveblue posted:All social media must be destroyed, this is a good start At this time I need to unequivocally declare that I have reversed course on this bill and will be canvassing for the subsequent destruction of the Internet.
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Potato Salad posted:Reread the part I underlined and you find why, today, in the current world, a certain bill passed. Then think about why they voted yes. It's current until it's not current and then it's replaced with whatever will be current. The platform isn't a zeitgeist, it's an addictive bit of programming. Nothing about it makes it irreplaceable.
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brugroffil posted:They're all bad and a huge net negative on society. Pretty dumb to be targeting just one because CHINA!!! though. I'll give you that, all of them should be blasted. Can't get worked up over one of them being hit for an iffy reason, though.
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Blind Pineapple posted:If Israel owned it, we wouldn't be having this conversation because there never would've been counter-narrative videos of the genocide in Gaza in the mainstream, which is what is really driving all this. That bugged me a bit too, but it is likely more productive to wonder why the substance of I/P radicalized so many people against a certain party. Spoilered because this dips just a little bit into I/P and I don't know D&D's rules on it right now Many, many Palestinian thinkers, poets, political figures, authors etc have pointed out for a long time that (to summarize) "the genocide is happening right now, on video, on your phones -- the answer to 'what would you do during a second holocaust' is 'what are you doing right now?'" I see platforms like Tiktok as important to making those cries for some kind of visibility actually bear some fruit.
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PharmerBoy posted:"No no, this massive social media company sucking up user data into a black box and feeding them engagement bait from an ever tightening algorithm is the good one!"  . Domestic data harvesting companies should be a much greater worry for Americans.
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if israel owned tik tok i would support its banning because i support the BDS movement.
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Blind Pineapple posted:If Israel owned it, we wouldn't be having this conversation because there never would've been counter-narrative videos of the genocide in Gaza in the mainstream, which is what is really driving all this. The people in power have wanted to ban TikTok for years.
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Xombie posted:It's current until it's not current and then it's replaced with whatever will be current. The platform isn't a zeitgeist, it's an addictive bit of programming. Nothing about it makes it irreplaceable. TikTok's recommendation algorithm seems to just be better than its competitors, which is why it's still beating Reels and Shorts. That's why all these worries about data or manipulation miss their mark. TikTok is better, but not fundamentally different, from other social media, so banning TikTok is just selling out its userbase to Musk and Zuckerberg, and everyone knows Congress isn't going to poo poo about them.
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GlyphGryph posted:No? No one said that.
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zoux posted:Let's ask the most popular democrat on the platform This guy is the most popular democrat? What is it with the Dems and milquetoast white guys from North Carolina who look like they are going to cheat on their wives every chance they get?
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haveblue posted:All social media must be destroyed, this is a good start But it's not about destroying social media. It's not even about protecting people's data. It's about restricting social media so the worse social media platforms become more entrenched.
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Xombie posted:It's current until it's not current and then it's replaced with whatever will be current. The platform isn't a zeitgeist, it's an addictive bit of programming. Nothing about it makes it irreplaceable. We have different thoughts about what is "irreplacable" and what not then. You -- rightfully and accurately -- point out that Tiktok the platform isn't irreplacable, and its not going to be a big thing in the future when it is overtaken by Kumkwatrr or whatever future app creates a better dopamine treadmill for burned out millennials and zoomers in the future. I see the present sauce that makes Tiktok seem to activate young voters in a way I haven't seen before in my adult live and my extensive experience canvassing as valuable unto itself. Sure, we can argue about current vs future, first vs just another social media site, etc all day long. I argue that, at present, its a valuable tool for sharing and seeing what other normal Americans are experiencing and thinking, and for whatever reason it has a pulse on the authentic working-class experience in a manner far better than ever emerged on other platforms. That's why I see it as valauble and that's why I feel saddened that Congress seems to be so eager to stomp it out.
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RBA Starblade posted:Forums excluded, of course At least they came for the forums, and there was no one left to speak for me, so instead I spoke for myself and said "Thank god, I'm free at last."
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mawarannahr posted:The people in power have wanted to ban TikTok for years. Sure, but the timing of actually getting the wheels in motion is pretty convenient. And it might not even be I/P specifically, as much as that particular issue has raised awareness among the powers that be that something exists that poses some challenge to their ability to control narratives they've had on lockdown for decades with the usual mainstream media outlets.
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Blue Footed Booby posted:Hey potato, you know you can edit posts, right? Oh lord, what did I butterfinger?
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Potato Salad posted:I see the present sauce that makes Tiktok seem to activate young voters in a way I haven't seen before in my adult live and my extensive experience canvassing as valuable unto itself. Sure, we can argue about current vs future, first vs just another social media site, etc all day long. I argue that, at present, its a valuable tool for sharing and seeing what other normal Americans are experiencing and thinking, and for whatever reason it has a pulse on the authentic working-class experience in a manner far better than ever emerged on other platforms. That's why I see it as valauble and that's why I feel saddened that Congress seems to be so eager to stomp it out. Right.... and so how would your opinion change if that sauce is leveraged towards "Taiwan is really just part of China; they shouldn't be their own state"?
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Potato Salad posted:Oh lord, what did I butterfinger? I'm just ribbing you for all the double and combo broken triple posting. 
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