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Mr. Nice! posted:Guys can we not turn this into a "shame people into voting for biden" thread? We had a separate thread in 2020 for it. It's exhausting. It's not even shaming. It's a reminder that regardless of anyone's opinions on the matter the federal electoral system is first past the post. The "correct" way to vote in a general election under these circumstances is to select your favorite (or least objectionable) viable candidate. Voting third party, spoiling your vote, or skipping voting for an office or entirely is not a meaningful protest and only helps your less preferred candidate.
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AreWeDrunkYet posted:It's not even shaming. It's a reminder that regardless of anyone's opinions on the matter the federal electoral system is first past the post. The "correct" way to vote in a general election under these circumstances is to select your favorite (or least objectionable) viable candidate. Voting third party, spoiling your vote, or skipping voting for an office or entirely is not a meaningful protest and only helps your less preferred candidate. And the GOP understands this full well which is why they've repeatedly pushed and even funded spoiler candidates in both Green Party and Libertarian party members. The only way voting Third Party matters is if you get Ranked Choice voting passed.
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Mr. Nice! posted:Guys can we not turn this into a "shame people into voting for biden" thread? We had a separate thread in 2020 for it. It's exhausting. 
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Proud Christian Mom posted:it died in 2000 Just because you don't vote doesn't mean democracy is dead.
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lightpole posted:They've made it clear that round 1 was just a taste and they are going all in on destroying anything not straight, white, male, rich. https://twitter.com/cjwarnke/status/1767885323990618591?t=T6u_m8a9aRtZgCsILy30xw&s=19
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CBJSprague24 posted:https://twitter.com/cjwarnke/status/1767885323990618591?t=T6u_m8a9aRtZgCsILy30xw&s=19 The really stupid part of that is they could definitely win some of those votes, especially people who vote straight ticket.
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Apparently Donnie's appeal bond company got some emails from some customers questioning why they're in the Donnie appeal bond business. They inadvertently led to some news - Donnie did post full collateral for the bond. https://twitter.com/joshgerstein/status/1767975959200764079?t=ApT7syjfmh4Y2_z1uzQ68w&s=19
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facialimpediment posted:Apparently Donnie's appeal bond company got some emails from some customers questioning why they're in the Donnie appeal bond business. They inadvertently led to some news - Donnie did post full collateral for the bond.
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AreWeDrunkYet posted:It's not even shaming. It's a reminder that regardless of anyone's opinions on the matter the federal electoral system is first past the post. The "correct" way to vote in a general election under these circumstances is to select your favorite (or least objectionable) viable candidate. Voting third party, spoiling your vote, or skipping voting for an office or entirely is not a meaningful protest and only helps your less preferred candidate. The way I've always preferred to phrase it is that in a First Past The Post system, you're never really voting for someone. You're voting against someone by picking the person most likely to beat them.
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MonkeyFit posted:The way I've always preferred to phrase it is that in a First Past The Post system, you're never really voting for someone. You're voting against someone by picking the person most likely to beat them. Which is exactly what the people who sell you to rich people but make better tweets understand.
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CainFortea posted:Which is exactly what the people who sell you to rich people but make better tweets understand. And that will be the status quo until we implement a better voting system. Ranked choice might not be the ultimate system, but it's probably our best shot at getting away from a two party system.
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No raindrop thinks it is part of the flood.
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Mr. Nice! posted:Guys can we not turn this into a "shame people into voting for biden" thread? We had a separate thread in 2020 for it. It's exhausting. It was titled something like “griping about voting for a rapist thread”, in case you want to look it up (don’t).
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It's wild to think that all it takes to avoid an obvious despot is showing up and checking a box, and there's a real chance people like, won't do it.
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It's wild to think that all it takes to get a good candidate is showing up and checking a box, and there's people actively arguing you shouldn't do that and should instead pick the 2nd worst choice.
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LEFT HAND: voting is important. even if you don't like the candidate, it's important to vote for them just so that the even worse one doesn't win. RIGHT HAND: my individual vote doesn't matter for the presidential race, just like it hasn't mattered in the last (X) elections. i do not care. BOTH LEGS: *running furiously off the nearest cliff face*
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CainFortea posted:there's people actively arguing you shouldn't do that and should instead pick the 2nd worst choice. That's how a First Past The Post system works, has always worked, and always will work. Nobody is saying we don't want good candidates. We just recognize the realities and constraints of our current system, and understand that keeping the worst candidate out is better than relying on hopes and dreams that large swaths of the American public will simultaneously have an epiphany and start actually examining candidates and voting in their own best interests.
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MonkeyFit posted:And that will be the status quo until we implement a better voting system. Ranked choice might not be the ultimate system, but it's probably our best shot at getting away from a two party system. it'll probably still result in a de facto two-party system. access to party resources and endorsements is important for campaigning, and you can pool more of those with a big tent. on the other side of the fence, the way the house and senate work encourages forming as large a coalition as you can. what it does provide is elimination of primaries (which tend to have fewer, more partisan voters) and tactical voting considerations, since you can vote for a less likely candidate while still having your vote count towards someone else you'd prefer if that less likely candidate loses presidential races are still pretty fucky due to the horse race and electoral college aspect. ranked choice at the state level for those won't help as much unless everyone does it, since you still have a horse race otherwise
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Qtotonibudinibudet posted:it'll probably still result in a de facto two-party system. access to party resources and endorsements is important for campaigning, and you can pool more of those with a big tent. on the other side of the fence, the way the house and senate work encourages forming as large a coalition as you can. what it does provide is elimination of primaries (which tend to have fewer, more partisan voters) and tactical voting considerations, since you can vote for a less likely candidate while still having your vote count towards someone else you'd prefer if that less likely candidate loses Electoral college let us down 100%. It was a text book case and they got either bought off or they themselves let ideology they hoped he would champion sway them. He never did anything prior to running to show that he was suited for the job besides the little tricks of popularity. Even *spit* Reagan at least did state level stuff first before running for President.
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https://twitter.com/donlemon/status/1767949937894121894?t=GkdTEDMHemhEYzxrdPNW_g&s=19 I guess Don asked him about his use of ketamine and that made Elmo have a mad.
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LtCol J. Krusinski posted:I will not vote for any octogenarian for POTUS. Man I think Biden's too old to be POTUS again too but I'm still gonna vote for him. Like pretty much the worst that can happen is he dies in office and frankly that's a sacrifice I would respect.
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They have made their plans clear. Any of what moderates or adults they had last time are gone, the Stephen Millers are all in charge now. They are clearing the RNC of any opposition right now and centralizing in FL. This is just a precursor for when they control the federal government and implement schedule F so they can hire and fire as they please. This created a skill and competence gap when they last implemented it. First thing is obviously replace everyone with loyalists and concentrate power and this is just the start. This isn't even sky is falling stuff, they've done, they are doing it, they will do it again. The lesson they learned from the first time was that they didn't go hard enough, they didn't go extreme enough, and they aren't making that mistake again. lightpole fucked around with this message at 00:52 on Mar 14, 2024 |
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I cannot emphasize hard enough that if Biden wants to die in harness I'm fine with it. That's what the line of succession is for.CBJSprague24 posted:https://twitter.com/cjwarnke/status/1767885323990618591?t=T6u_m8a9aRtZgCsILy30xw&s=19 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UnyBJJI2eqs Vincent Van Goatse fucked around with this message at 00:57 on Mar 14, 2024 |
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https://www.theguardian.com/business/2024/mar/13/boeing-737-door-ntsb-investigation Boeing saw police depts losing footage and figured if it works there it can work for them.
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CainFortea posted:It's wild to think that all it takes to get a good candidate is showing up and checking a box, and there's people actively arguing you shouldn't do that and should instead pick the 2nd worst choice. No one here is arguing you vote for RFK Jr.
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OddObserver posted:No one here is arguing you vote for RFK Jr. From looking at the guest list of one of his LA fundraisers (Rob Schneider types & Rob Schneider), how his Super Bowl ad was paid for by a techie anti-vaxxer, & how Aaron Rodgers may be his VP pick he’s pretty much becoming the anti-vaccine candidate. I’m no expert but really hoping that pulls more from the right than the left, the most ardent anti-vaxxers I see on FB are evangelical.
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Q'Anon was obsessed with his cousins return so I'm thinking the right.
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Hopefully yeah plus, with Manchin not running looks like that No Labels nonsense is DOA.
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Hyrax Attack! posted:From looking at the guest list of one of his LA fundraisers (Rob Schneider types & Rob Schneider), how his Super Bowl ad was paid for by a techie anti-vaxxer, & how Aaron Rodgers may be his VP pick he’s pretty much becoming the anti-vaccine candidate. Wasn't there polling data that alarmed the Trump folks that said RFK Jr as an independent, in fact, drew away from Trump instead of when he ran as a Dem against Biden?
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I never believed Manchin would run in the first place. Dude's bag was always to play the "principled moderate" (blindly obstructive) Democrat. He'd be that rear end in a top hat who'd obstruct critical legislation, sure, but he never actually threatened to run as a spoiler or an independent if the party majority was on the line. Don't recall him ever stymieing any judicial appointments either.
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Remember when he helped kill off the family tax credits that lifted millions from poverty during the pandemic & drove away in his Maserati? Still ridiculous that despite being who he is, he did regularly support Biden judicial nominees & sometimes would vote for critical bills so getting that level of usefulness from a WV senate seat that will be dark red when he retires is a bonus. Kinda like how the Democrat Louisiana governor was pretty conservative on some issues but vetoed the worst bills, and with him gone they’re bringing back the death penalty.
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To go into sports analogies, Manchin has a incredibly high left wing WAR (wins above replacement) despite still being a jerk, because his average replacement is that much worse.
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golden bubble posted:To go into sports analogies, Manchin has a incredibly high left wing WAR (wins above replacement) despite still being a jerk, because his average replacement is that much worse. Ok thats fair
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He’s the domestic, Democrat equivalent of all those foreign tyrants that America allies with because they occupy key positions on the geopolitical map.
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M_Gargantua posted:This is all stupid, for one thing I'm the type of person who says Good Morning as my first greeting of someone of the day until like 2 or 3 in the afternoon depending on how much coffee I've had. If someone ever says "Its afternoon!" I just respond, "Yes, and?" I start work at 1:30pm, I stick with good morning until at least 3pm.
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I don’t say “good afternoon” before 13:00 when DST is in effect. 
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I use decimal time so I don't stop saying bonjour until at least Thermidor
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goatsestretchgoals posted:I start work at 1:30pm, I stick with good morning until at least 3pm. When I worked graveyard shift I'd say good morning to everyone because it technically was morning for us.
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Soul Dentist posted:I use decimal time so I don't stop saying bonjour until at least Thermidor Which part of the day does Thermidor fit into in the Time Cube?
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orange juche posted:Which part of the day does Thermidor fit into in the Time Cube? The first face of the cube, duh. e: there’s an archived version of the original that I’m looking at, it’s more  than I remember.
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