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no you see, I am media literate that is... bad somehow?
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Mar 14, 2024 16:45
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I don't know which one you are.
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Mar 14, 2024 16:47
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I'm pretty sure Mel is supposed to be the smug guy handing out media literacy EDIT: leaving in my original mistake to show my own lack of media literacy
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Mar 14, 2024 16:50
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Mel Mudkiper posted:no you see, I am media literate for people who don't have twitter, what's the actual context here. what was this even in response to, what was he supposed to have paid attention to?
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Mar 14, 2024 16:52
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3D Megadoodoo posted:I don't know which one you are. oh right sorry I rebranded as javo shhhh I am now javo
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Mar 14, 2024 16:53
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sorry that embed sucked here just look at how bad the photo is as an insult
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Mar 14, 2024 16:53
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"haha you can read" is an interesting own though, like stepping on your own rake to prove how your opponent is too dumb to find a trap or something
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Mar 14, 2024 16:54
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ulvir posted:"haha you can read" is an interesting own though, like stepping on your own rake to prove how your opponent is too dumb to find a trap or something yeah that was what I wanted to share. Getting a lazy mspaint drawing accusing me of reading is loving weird. Anyways for context the guy said that film schools making you watch Birth of a Nation to study filmmaking is racist edit: its been so long since I posted I forgot how embedding stuff on here works Mel Mudkiper fucked around with this message at 16:59 on Mar 14, 2024 |
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Mar 14, 2024 16:56
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Guys dumb as poo poo Griffith is incredibly important both as a director and for the impact he had on the way American film developed.
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Mar 14, 2024 17:00
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Gaius Marius posted:Guys dumb as poo poo Griffith is incredibly important both as a director and for the impact he had on the way American film developed. no but you see its racist and therefore shouldnt be studied in a literal film school
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Mar 14, 2024 17:02
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imagine not reading books because you morally disagree with the author I knew a dude who tried to claim the very act of reading Yukio Mishima or Ezra Pound was unethical
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Mar 14, 2024 17:03
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Mel Mudkiper posted:no but you see its racist and therefore shouldnt be studied in a literal film school I think by racist he meant against white people
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Mar 14, 2024 17:04
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Mel Mudkiper posted:imagine not reading books because you morally disagree with the author Like 3/4 of the Forums is like that to greater or lesser degrees.
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Mar 14, 2024 17:05
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Gaius Marius posted:Like 3/4 of the Forums is like that to greater or lesser degrees. Theres a reason I only post in here
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Mar 14, 2024 17:09
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Mel Mudkiper posted:imagine not reading books because you morally disagree with the author there are even norwegians out there claiming that since Hamsun was a nazi, it's morally wrong to ever make high school students read Hunger
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Mar 14, 2024 17:13
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americans are hungry for fascism
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Mar 14, 2024 17:14
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ulvir posted:there are even norwegians out there claiming that since Hamsun was a nazi, it's morally wrong to ever make high school students read Hunger Maybe I am a dying breed of liberal intellectual but I feel like we should read the nazis I remember buying Peter Handke when he won the nobel prize specifically because I wanted to read the prose of a genocide denier
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Mar 14, 2024 17:18
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Mel Mudkiper posted:no but you see its racist and therefore shouldnt be studied in a literal film school Well to be totally fair part of the guy's complaint wasn't merely teaching a racist film in film school it was showing it 3 times across his degree course. Which hopefully were from other classes, but that still feels like really bad coordination and course design given the amount of important films, it would be like reading Moby Dick in 3 different Lit classes in a single school degree program: https://x.com/PoorOldRoloTony/status/1768277582519140758?s=20
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Mar 14, 2024 17:19
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No-one should be forced to watch any United States -made film at all.
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Mar 14, 2024 17:43
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very amused the whole thing started because someone was angry that a person on letterboxd gave birth of a nation five stars and wrote an essay about how its morally offensive but still inarguably a significant aesthetic achievement
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Mar 14, 2024 17:52
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Wait are the bad guys not always ugly?????
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Mar 14, 2024 23:41
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Read some Literature lately. Hogg by Samuel Delany is wall-to-wall gore-horror-porn-abuse-filth-neglect abjection that I'm still chewing on. The Free-Lance Pallbearers by Ishmael Reed is a very silly and fun satire of 60s New York under a living-god dictator who's been locked in the bathroom for thirty years. I definitely recommend the latter, not so much the former.
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Mar 15, 2024 01:30
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Jrbg posted:Because of my immense genius I have managed to read, back to back, two good books what you should read: I have wanted to read Bush of Ghosts forever
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Mar 15, 2024 05:39
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It's really good, essentially a succession of surreal allegories and inversions of history and autobiography through twisted syntax. There's more going on in one page than most books
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Mar 15, 2024 10:37
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Mel Mudkiper posted:no but you see its racist and therefore shouldnt be studied in a literal film school Like I get arguing against the more hyperbolic claims about Griffith (That he outright invented techniques on display in BoaN and such) but these Twitter.com people pretending he wasn't an extremely influential figure that was directly cited as influence from major figures ranging from Chaplin to Godard and so on strikes me as disingenuous.
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Mar 15, 2024 18:33
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I think we shouldn’t be showing birth of a nation in film schools because we shouldn’t be showing any films at all in film school, and should instead use those buildings as laboratory settings to try to figure out why people become film study majors and, eventually, be able to find and correct whatever societal or psychological defect causes this unfortunate problem
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Mar 15, 2024 20:28
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i like what Pynchon does with lengthy deviations from the narrative like the majistral confessions and mondaugen's story, spurs me to trying this in my own writing. does he do this in his other novels?
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Mar 17, 2024 22:13
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man it's taken me months to work through V hahahaha. library probably enjoys the late fees i keep resetting and racking anew. and still not done...
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Mar 17, 2024 22:14
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cumpantry posted:i like what Pynchon does with lengthy deviations from the narrative like the majistral confessions and mondaugen's story, spurs me to trying this in my own writing. does he do this in his other novels? It's one of his hallmarks.
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Mar 17, 2024 22:22
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cumpantry posted:i like what Pynchon does with lengthy deviations from the narrative like the majistral confessions and mondaugen's story, spurs me to trying this in my own writing. does he do this in his other novels? He does it in most of them. Pynchon has, broadly speaking, two "kinds" of novel, and in his more experimental ones (V., GR, Against the Day) he will go on longer diversions than in the ones that are a little more straightforwardly narrative (Vineland, Inherent Vice, Bleeding Edge) That's a very broad classification so ymmv
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Mar 17, 2024 22:24
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I understand the desire for censoriousness in that when I've read writers with awful views (Mishima, Houellebecq, Céline) any aesthetic enjoyment is always tempered by "yep that's a really fashy thing right under there". I just get annoyed that I'm reading someone who has such an abhorrent worldview that their art is being used to convey. Even if the art is good the message is ugly which I think can be considered when people just feel like they don't want to engage. I like to interact with writing and difficult ideas but in ways that I find more interesting than just engaging with fascist art. Allison Rumfitt's Tell Me I'm Worthless or Charlotte Wood's The Natural Way of Things both hosed me up but in an engaging and not dehumanizing way that is being used to kill people these days. Like yes you can be aware of and recognize right wing art but given the abundance of work engaging with these ideas (to split the difference in the media mentioned I find Schrader's film on Mishima much more engaging than Mishima's actual work) I can choose to engage with them in other ways. We have limited time to consume and given the strong bodies of critical work and other works especially in writing which has a much lower entry barrier than movies, let people tell Pound to gently caress off.
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praxis by reading
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Mar 18, 2024 00:48
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Personally I figure that there is so much out there to read by so many great authors. I'm not going to waste my time with fascist poo poo when I could be reading something else.
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Mar 18, 2024 00:52
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Fascism isnt even needed when everyone censors themselves
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Mar 18, 2024 01:03
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cryptoclastic posted:Personally I figure that there is so much out there to read by so many great authors. I'm not going to waste my time with fascist poo poo when I could be reading something else. Genuinely, what's the point of even saying this? Edit: what I mean is, okay, fine. So what? Does it confer some kind of moral appraisal upon your reading habits? Or is it just to say "I won't waste my time reading it," but you're happy to waste our time talking about how you won't read it? Heath fucked around with this message at 01:31 on Mar 18, 2024 |
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If you don't like it then you don't like it, but to not even try is just sad and I'm sorry for your loss. Mishima's novels are among the best I've read and certainly some of the most beautiful, and that beauty is only enhanced by the sick undercurrent of darkness beneath it all. You might need to learn to enjoy things rather than fretting and wringing your hands over them, though, before you can appreciate it.
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What derp said. Reading Runaway Horses left me chilled in a way that I have never really experienced with anything else I've read, and it was an emotional experience that I don't think I coud have received from literature written by, say, a Marxist, and it is precisely because of that darkness.
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I read fascists... As... As you can see... To stare into the void.... Mmm... Yes!!!
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