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silicone thrills posted:This is an incredibly good and sweet response to the NPR article Thanks for linking this. Making me tear up (in a good way).
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"It's a gift to have someone you want to keep safe." that's a lockdown
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Mar 14, 2024 20:00
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tuyop posted:it’s really sickening realizing that love in the way that I understand it seems to be kind of rare.
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Mar 14, 2024 20:02
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silicone thrills posted:This is an incredibly good and sweet response to the NPR article This was fantastic, thank you Zantie posted:That was a beautiful read. Everything they said about teamwork, it's that meaning of partnership that I understand and value. You do things together because you actually like each other. It's not that you do things together because the other person is an accessory you carry around to make you feel less embarrassed about doing something alone. tuyop posted:it’s really sickening realizing that love in the way that I understand it seems to be kind of rare.
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Mar 14, 2024 20:37
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https://www.sfgate.com/local/article/cough-bay-area-respiratory-illness-cold-18938882.php Those dastardly lockdowns strike again!
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Mar 14, 2024 20:42
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*uses 2 words instead of 40* Immunity debt, Amanda.
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Mar 14, 2024 20:52
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reposting this from a Canadian in the P/I thread. good times. 
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Mar 14, 2024 21:29
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Some QLDers were texting and decided there's no point in having a name for something that, well, does exist. It's simpler to just un-invent words. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-03-15/long-covid-symptoms-queensland-chief-health-officer-john-gerrard/103587836 quote:The term "long COVID" should be scrapped, according to Queensland's Chief Health Officer, because it creates unnecessary fear — and is "probably harmful".
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Mar 14, 2024 21:33
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mawarannahr posted:reposting this from a Canadian in the P/I thread. good times. $6 for the sunday paper jfc
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Mar 14, 2024 21:33
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U.S. DEATHS NEAR 1,200,000, AN ACCEPTABLE LOSS
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Mar 14, 2024 21:35
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mawarannahr posted:reposting this from a Canadian in the P/I thread. good times. lmao that headline: "An incalculable loss!" What? No. You just said 100,000. Clearly somebody counted or did the math. Edit: Also lol, lmao, we're still counting (sort of) but we aren't really doing much to stop it four years on.
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Mar 14, 2024 21:41
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Grummbo posted:Some QLDers were texting and decided there's no point in having a name for something that, well, does exist. It's simpler to just un-invent words. yeah, i remember when my dad almost died from a pulmonary embolism and had to spend his remaining years with semi-functional lungs every other time he caught the flu, too
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Mar 14, 2024 21:58
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tuyop posted:it’s really sickening realizing that love in the way that I understand it seems to be kind of rare. This is something that horrifies me more than COVID and dismantling of our public health apparatus. Western glorification of selfishness and disposability puts no value in selfless, unconditional love (much like that vile article exemplifies). That same ingrained selfishness/carelessness extends to make more general socially conscious actions like masking or sequestering while sick not only alien but also instrinsically deviant. I was lucky to have parents to show and teach me what a functional, loving relationship is. When I got to know my partner, I was honestly shocked to slowly realize they were the only person I had ever met that internalized or could even could put words to these basic tenants of human decency. As I paid more conscious attention to others' actions and language, it became more clear how examples of love and humanity itself are so rare in the world. It's really sad. Bixington has issued a correction as of 22:22 on Mar 14, 2024 |
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Mar 14, 2024 22:18
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A Bag of Milk posted:"It's a gift to have someone you want to keep safe." don't kinkshame 
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Mar 14, 2024 22:24
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Bixington posted:This is something that horrifies me more than COVID and dismantling of our public health apparatus. Western glorification of selfishness and disposability puts no value in selfless, unconditional love (much like that vile article exemplifies). That same ingrained selfishness/carelessness extends to make more general socially conscious actions like masking or sequestering while sick not only alien but also instrinsically deviant. Maybe it's leftover from the olden days of arranged marriages or whatever. It's the literal idea/attitude of what can each person contribute to or provide for in the relationship. That a couple is still primarily a business partnership more so than genuine companionship. Maybe more recently it became a slightly more nuanced but still confusing "marrying for love" as business partners that find each other hot enough to bang on the reg.
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Mar 14, 2024 22:32
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I also wouldn't discount there being a little bit of peach-eating husband where the first article is exaggerating to make a point. The feelings are genuine but to have a cohesive article propping up the "my partner worrying about negative outcomes is harshing the vibes" there's probably a few bits that aren't as cohesive. I still think she's a terrible wife, but there's plenty she's leaving out. Also with long covid and post viral stuff I think I like PASC better than LC for a term, but lumping it in with everything as just a "post viral bullshit" is just going to help the assholes who just want to call it malingering.
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Mar 14, 2024 22:46
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all the findings in the literature of long term colonization by SARS2? don't exist. of blood-brain-barrier interactions? don't exist. of T cell depletion and aging? don't exist. it's easy to prove a negative when you're corrupt enough!Salt Fish posted:I looked at the source for the graph and the paper uses data from 1990 to 2019, so that prediction doesn't use covid data. The original paper gives this graph: so those researchers.... knew about the pandemic ahead of time...
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Mar 14, 2024 23:10
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that's part of the minimizer strategy, it just blurs a very concrete and definitive causative agent into a blurry background smear that can then be called Gross But Normal had another customer resurface after a couple months of conspicuous absence... "Man I had covid and it wasn't bad but a week after I was feeling better, I woke up and couldn't climb the stairs" listening to him laboriously breathe as he shuffled around... just ughhhh also no mask, of course. no mask! what ehth gently caress arl ewe even DOING ARHHGHH
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Mar 14, 2024 23:10
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You'd think that there would be more understanding of unconditional love and support for your friends, family and the people you meet everywhere given the worldwide popularity of One Piece.
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Mar 14, 2024 23:20
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Luffy wouldn't understand all of the details but he'd wear a mask to protect himself and others.
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Mar 14, 2024 23:21
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Gildiss posted:Yeah that seems hosed. I can't imagine the pressure in a Korean office now. I was just in a startup and got some stiff resistance in mid 2021 before we had access to the vaccines at that point. Led to me quitting and then someone popping pos the next week lmao. Ok yeah the barber today was unmasked again so I am guessing he was just being extra cautious in the middle of winter or was actively or recovering from something (covid) lol Masks and flo travel shower their blessings upon me.
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Mar 15, 2024 04:56
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Two years at the blue collar workplace: only one person ever asked about my n95 in an unprompted fashion Second week at white collar workplace: two people bringing it up on consecutive days
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Mar 15, 2024 05:23
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https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2024/03/14/health/measles-vaccine-virus-infection-quarantine-wellness/index.html CNN keeping Leana Wen in rotation as a disease expert. Was there any minimizer who actually suffered professional consequences for being full of poo poo? Monica Gandhi seems to have bounced right back from being called out by Mehdi Hasan. Though I don’t see Wen saying anything too horrible here, recommending shots for adults unsure of their vaccination status.
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Mar 15, 2024 05:25
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consequences schmonsequences
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Mar 15, 2024 05:30
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Steely Dad posted:Was there any minimizer who actually suffered professional consequences for being full of poo poo? I guess harvard finally got rid of kulldorf. Unclear exactly why though. Very likely just because he became completely insufferable, not his great barrington and nutjob "thinktank" bullshit. https://www.city-journal.org/article/harvard-tramples-the-truth He's probably going to be more "successful" in the circles he runs in now, wearing that 'fired from harvard' like he won something. So I don't know if "consequences for his actions" is exactly what happened.
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Mar 15, 2024 06:03
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space chandeliers posted:[Pestilence] consequences schmonsequences
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Mar 15, 2024 06:04
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Steely Dad posted:https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2024/03/14/health/measles-vaccine-virus-infection-quarantine-wellness/index.html quote:Crucially, targeted mitigation measures of boosting vaccinations and quarantining exposed people work to contain measles, as they have in recent outbreaks in New York, Ohio and Pennsylvania. In addition, it’s possible to stop measles from propagating by achieving herd immunity, which is what the United States has been successful in doing. See lockdowns and quarantines don’t work for Covid! Please ignore China, Vietnam, Australia, New Zealand, those don’t count because we ruined it for them. Also, it’s all lockdowns fault that no one trusts our advice anymore, not because people like me spread outright bullshit about ‘the evidence’ showing kids don’t catch Covid, don’t spread it, and staying six feet apart is enough to protect anyone, and masks don’t work, or do but only for doctors, or wait double mask, no cloth is fine, cloth does nothing, they only work if everyone wears them… also the vaccines are almost as effective as measles vaccines and herd immunity will totally save us and it’s mild anyway and doesn’t mutate quickly. Lockdowns don’t work though don’t you ever make me have to homeschool preschoolers ever again! I chose medicine over being a SAHM for a reason! Now excuse me while I extol the virtues of the wisdom of crowds and let my six and three year old disappear into the crowds at this indoor playground. They have a lot of stress fracture and concussion debt to make up after all.
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Mar 15, 2024 07:21
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Why Am I So Tired posted:space chandeliers posted:
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Mar 15, 2024 07:41
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It's starting in earnest now https://www.theguardian.com/society/2024/mar/15/long-covid-symptoms-flu-cold
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Mar 15, 2024 07:46
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mawarannahr posted:reposting this from a Canadian in the P/I thread. good times.  https://apnews.com/article/donald-trump-pandemics-public-health-coronavirus-pandemic-f6e976f34a6971c889ca8a4c5e1c0068
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Mar 15, 2024 08:33
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The Oldest Man posted:It's starting in earnest now I’m confused at the strategy of telling me that actually, other respiratory diseases ALSO can cause deleterious lingering effects on my health with the assumption that I will stop my silly fearful “hypervigilance” instead of coming to the conclusion that it’s an even better idea and I should keep at it because I’ve managed to dodge illness now for four years straight though a combination of precautions and luck. DominoKitten has issued a correction as of 08:56 on Mar 15, 2024 |
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Mar 15, 2024 08:53
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The Oldest Man posted:It's starting in earnest now quote:Gerrard said long Covid may have appeared to be a distinct and severe illness because of the high number of people infected with Covid-19 within a short period of time, rather than the severity of long Covid symptoms. plus we know, from the Al-Aly comparison study and others, that they're distinct diseases with different processes and outcomes. also note the false equivalence, shifting from influenza to general "other respiratory viruses" (despite them only studying influenza), so COVID is effectively placed in the same post-acute sequelae category as a common cold ed: thinking about it, even if you say "it's only got the same long-term effects as influenza", the association in peoples' minds isn't going to be "oh, that's bad", it's going to be "well, I've never heard of the long-term effects of influenza so that must mean it's ok" and quote:“terminology [like Long COVID] can cause unnecessary fear, and in some cases, hypervigilance to longer symptoms that can impede recovery.” CGI Stardust has issued a correction as of 09:54 on Mar 15, 2024 |
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Mar 15, 2024 09:37
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afaict the study from that Guardian article is a follow-on study to this one, so it's probably using the same cohort and methodology Brown et al. (2023) - Ongoing symptoms and functional impairment 12 weeks after testing positive for SARS-CoV-2 or influenza in Australia: an observational cohort study it's a cohort study done by survey over mobile phone, rating impairment at 3-month followup on a scale of 0 to 3 (PCFS), taken May-June 2022 in Australia (BA.2, bit of BA.5), in a population with 90%+ vaccination coverage for COVID and 40% coverage for influenza, not distinguishing hospitalised. they don't seem to have checked to see if any of the study group had COVID before influenza, or if anyone got COVID between PCR and followup - wonder if that's the same in their 1-year version results quote:We found that adults who tested PCR positive for the SARS-CoV-2 Omicron variant were no more likely to have ongoing symptoms at 12 weeks after their test (21.4%) than adults who tested PCR positive for influenza (23.0%, aOR 1.18; 95% CI 0.92 to 1.50). Similarly, we found no evidence to suggest that adults diagnosed with COVID-19 were more likely to have moderate-to-severe functional impairment at 12 weeks after their test (4.1%) than adults who tested PCR positive for influenza (4.4%, OR 0.81; 95% CI 0.55 to 1.20). Being female and socioeconomically disadvantaged were predictors of ongoing symptoms while being a First Nations person and an older person were predictors of moderate-to-severe functional limitations. i feel like there's constant tension in it, both trying to minimise Long COVID and saying that LC is actually bad: quote:Our findings suggest that, in a highly vaccinated population, the odds of having long COVID arising from the Omicron variant are no greater than the odds of having a postviral illness following seasonal influenza. The finding does not discredit long COVID as a health issue given the significant volume of COVID-19 infections when compared with seasonal influenza, noting that there was a 38-fold difference in reported case numbers (1 606 171 COVID-19 vs 42 338 influenza) between 1 January and 9 September 2022 in Queensland. The substantial difference in the incidence of infection with a pandemic virus such as SARS-CoV-2 and an endemic virus such as seasonal influenza may make it appear that postviral syndromes are unusually common with the novel pathogen, as cases in the community may be high without individual risk being greater. quote:Our study supports recent literature suggesting that, in a highly vaccinated population, the SARS-CoV-2 Omicron variant does not result in a significant burden of long COVID. In this context, long COVID manifests at the population level as a postviral syndrome of no greater severity than seasonal influenza but differing in terms of the volume of people affected and the potential impact on health systems. there's a reference to a study apparently finding rates of LC in double-vaccinated patients infected with (early) Omicron to be ~0.1% in mild cases, which seems extraordinarily low given all the other studies we know about quote:Emerging Australian research shows a low prevalence of long COVID in vaccinated adults following Omicron infection, although with a difference between adults who were hospitalised (1.9%) and not hospitalised (0.09%). These rates are lower than those reported in international studies and may be related to the Australian population’s high vaccination coverage on exposure to the Omicron variant. assuming this article is a predictor of what their new one is like, it's fun that absolutely none of the qualifications come through in the Guardian article, which is pure IT'S FINE ACTUALLY CGI Stardust has issued a correction as of 11:53 on Mar 15, 2024 |
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Mar 15, 2024 11:33
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No Australian update this week
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Mar 15, 2024 11:43
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an hour later and i'm still mad at that loving Guardian article
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Mar 15, 2024 12:22
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Grummbo posted:Some QLDers were texting and decided there's no point in having a name for something that, well, does exist. It's simpler to just un-invent words. It's getting harder for me to not see this as Covid themselves typing all those words up.
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Mar 15, 2024 12:26
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CGI Stardust posted:afaict the study from that Guardian article is a follow-on study to this one, so it's probably using the same cohort and methodology yeah this is infuriating.
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Mar 15, 2024 12:41
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Given how much this thread relies on peer-reviewed papers for driving discussion I thought this would also be pertinent here: someone noticed that a whole lot of scientific papers published in Elsevier academic journals were at least partially written by ChatGPT and the editorial and peer review stages obviously didn't pick it upgradenko_2000 posted:https://twitter.com/RetractionWatch/status/1768336483641880619 It's highly likely that this is already much more widespread than the few examples dug up here, these are just the ones where the submitters were too lazy to remove the obvious signs
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Mar 15, 2024 13:17
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Snowglobe of Doom posted:Given how much this thread relies on peer-reviewed papers for driving discussion I thought this would also be pertinent here: someone noticed that a whole lot of scientific papers published in Elsevier academic journals were at least partially written by ChatGPT and the editorial and peer review stages obviously didn't pick it up Lmao we tower of babel'd ourselves.
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Steely Dad posted:https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2024/03/14/health/measles-vaccine-virus-infection-quarantine-wellness/index.html wen sorta cooled it when she started getting owned by long covid but I’m sure it’s only a matter of time before it’s back to business as usual
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