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The French, of course, don't say fil-ay, because they know how to pronounce French.
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My favorite is the English pronunciation of fleur de lys because we don't pronounce the final "s," but in French you do. We're trying 
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Mar 14, 2024 13:51
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Yes, British English has famously never been influenced by French, not in the slightest.
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Mar 14, 2024 13:57
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Unkempt posted:You can't say 'fillet', it's 'fill-ay'. I have no idea why. Because fillet already means something. It's like a chamfer but round.
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Mar 14, 2024 14:07
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My favorite thing learning some French was just how many times we do something like “in lieu of ‘place’ I will use the French word meaning ‘place,’” just to sound fancy.
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Mar 14, 2024 14:09
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steinrokkan posted:Yes, British English has famously never been influenced by French, not in the slightest. They don’t pay attention to any other languages, I’ve heard how they pronounce paella. edit: if you don't know how to pronounce it there is a perfect pronunciation guide here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=isCyL2raNMg&t=42s Ror has a new favorite as of 17:12 on Mar 14, 2024 |
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Mar 14, 2024 14:30
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https://x.com/andy_vgc/status/1768285992199291116?s=46&t=CBKJcBX0BD3U5HgUdsqBtw
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Wait a fuckin minute. You mean fil-ay isn't correct? Nor Fleur de lee? I dont know whats real or not anymore. These two are just from today   I fuckin hate facebook
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Mar 14, 2024 18:09
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codo27 posted:Wait a fuckin minute. You mean fil-ay isn't correct? Nor Fleur de lee? I dont know whats real or not anymore. It's right if you're American. There isn't really right or wrong. Like with Guillotine is a French word and adopted into British English, now around that time the French were not that popular on account of all the conquering in Europe so a bunch of French pronunciations really fell out of fashion. Hence how we say it in the UK. But in the US it's not a word you got from British English but rather directly from the French around the same time. So you say it like the French do.
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Mar 14, 2024 19:16
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I'm not an actual linguist so if this guy has some weird ideas then oops but it's what I've understood about the subject: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFDvAK8Z-Jc
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Mar 14, 2024 19:42
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A fillet is food and a fillet is a weld
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Mar 14, 2024 20:10
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https://x.com/youwouldknow/status/1768261862838210631?s=20
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Mar 14, 2024 20:19
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Kate, don't come around here no more.
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Mar 14, 2024 20:21
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Aramoro posted:It's right if you're American. There isn't really right or wrong. Like with Guillotine is a French word and adopted into British English, now around that time the French were not that popular on account of all the conquering in Europe so a bunch of French pronunciations really fell out of fashion. Hence how we say it in the UK. But in the US it's not a word you got from British English but rather directly from the French around the same time. So you say it like the French do. I'm guessing there's also a lot of very old french loanwords in english that were adopted when the french pronunciation was very different
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Mar 14, 2024 20:22
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Pookah posted:I'm guessing there's also a lot of very old french loanwords in english that were adopted when the french pronunciation was very different You got a ton of different moments in the history of English where French came in with Norman French in 1066 being a big one and the laws and court were in Latin and French for several hundred years. Basically Old English to middle English transition has a lot to do with this influence and a lot of those words stuck around as a higher register, especially legal terms. Then you've got several hundred more years of exchange with terms coming in for different things like art or military or whatever. Terms borrowed later do seem to keep their pronunciation a bit and are sometimes even completely superfluous like the word artiste
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Mar 14, 2024 21:04
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Mauser posted:You got a ton of different moments in the history of English where French came in with Norman French in 1066 being a big one and the laws and court were in Latin and French for several hundred years. Basically Old English to middle English transition has a lot to do with this influence and a lot of those words stuck around as a higher register, especially legal terms. Then you've got several hundred more years of exchange with terms coming in for different things like art or military or whatever. I was thinking about the joke in the Canterbury Tales about the prioress speaking London French that would have been unintelligible to a contemporary Parisian.
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A fillet can also be a thing you put in your hair! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fillet_(clothing)
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https://bsky.app/profile/weedhitter.shellcorp.net/post/3knodu62wek2l
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The British empire ruthlessly plundered the world for centuries. More people speak English as a first language outside of England rather than inside and now and the modern English are not allowed to hassle people about the "correct" way to pronounce and spell things. Same goes for you, France, Spain and Portugal.
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Mar 14, 2024 21:32
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Riven posted:My favorite thing learning some French was just how many times we do something like “in lieu of ‘place’ I will use the French word meaning ‘place,’” just to sound fancy. I love it when people concoct fake etymology to sound fancy, and their changes to the language become ossified, like the office of “comptroller” or the Platystemon has a new favorite as of 00:18 on Mar 15, 2024 |
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Mar 14, 2024 21:57
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Platystemon posted:or the pronunciation of the River Thames. You may need to explain this one. Is it the same deal as rime becoming rhyme, or det getting a "b"? I only ever heard "comptroller" in The Simpsons and assumed it was a stupid made up title for the show...
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Tree Bucket posted:You may need to explain this one. Is it the same deal as rime becoming rhyme, or det getting a "b"? I misspoke. It’s the spelling that changed. It gained an “h” in the seventeenth century in the mistaken belief that the name was of Greek origin.
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Unkempt posted:Americans are weird about that sort of thing. There's no blue cheese, it's 'bleu'. You can't say 'fillet', it's 'fill-ay'. I have no idea why. I think American English is just slightly, just slightly, better with importing loanwords from romance languages than the British. Americans are ironically a lot more willing to respect the phonetics of Spanish or French, despite their reputation. Close access to Mexico and a large portion of the continental US being formerly French and Spanish territory did more to shape the dialect than people realize. Also if you went to the US and tried to pronounce tortilla as "tor-till-ah" instead of "tor-tee-yah" everyone would look at you like you were hit on the head.
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Mar 15, 2024 00:22
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A lot of American spellings are just down to one guy Noah Webster who just made poo poo up because he thought it was better. He's the reason Americans lost the u from colour, he thought it would be easier for people to spell. Sadly some of his best changes did not catch on Soup - > Soop Machine - > Mashen Women - > Wimmin Interestingly he wanted guillotine to be gillotin which suggests he pronounced it like the British. What a place the states could have been.
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Obviously there are some glitches like how Americans pronounce "fillet" like "filet," or the pronunciation of French-derived forte more along the lines of the Italian musical term, but that's just how the dialect evolved.Aramoro posted:A lot of American spellings are just down to one guy Noah Webster who just made poo poo up because he thought it was better. He's the reason Americans lost the u from colour, he thought it would be easier for people to spell. lmao what a timeline that would be
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Tree Bucket posted:You may need to explain this one. Is it the same deal as rime becoming rhyme, or det getting a "b"? Comptroller is an alternate spelling of controller and is usually pronounced the same as controller. Some organizations like to say it comp-troller just to be difficult (the US army, for example)
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Aramoro posted:A lot of American spellings are just down to one guy Noah Webster who just made poo poo up because he thought it was better. He's the reason Americans lost the u from colour, he thought it would be easier for people to spell. Dropping the u from words like Color was brilliant. I do wish that, when I ordered a sandwich I was asked if I wanted "soop or salad"
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Mar 15, 2024 00:38
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Aramoro posted:
the Popeye timeline.
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Mar 15, 2024 00:40
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https://twitter.com/skyler_higley/status/1768314385813115242 https://twitter.com/RadishHarmers/status/1768288782309106152 https://twitter.com/AwfulButGreat/status/1768299878050869338 https://twitter.com/eraustinauthor/status/1755426346585714914
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https://x.com/_richardparry_/status/1768374184437219436
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Why are people saying that lady is CGI ?
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Ornamental Dingbat posted:Why are people saying that lady is CGI ? they aren't. she's a cardboard cutout. didn't you see the real footage that guy posted
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Ornamental Dingbat posted:Why are people saying that lady is CGI ? wack rear end conspiracy theories about the royal family are en vogue atm
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The worst thing about English folk, being a darts fan, is they don't say triple, they say treble. We're not talking about music here, shut the gently caress up. I don't care if one of you has an explanation for this. There's an eccentric old gay man in my little town of <300 who sometimes, while drunk, makes up words or otherwise butchers them. He once remarked someone as being "very hilario, quite the camolhan". Hilario is easy enough to understand, I've no idea what camolhan was supposed to mean.
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Mar 15, 2024 03:42
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I never fish with a treble hook
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codo27 posted:
I googled it and turned up nothing but it kinda sounds like Polari? Probably wrong on that tbh. He might just be a weird old queen which is pretty rad in of itself
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codo27 posted:The worst thing about English folk, being a darts fan, is they don't say triple, they say treble. We're not talking about music here, shut the gently caress up. I don't care if one of you has an explanation for this. Drunken slur of comedian imo
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https://twitter.com/Extralongdokkan/status/1768313605286707445?t=c-OK4zaJ6lSSuyUJCoh4Dg&s=19
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Runa posted:I think American English is just slightly, just slightly, better with importing loanwords from romance languages than the British. Americans are ironically a lot more willing to respect the phonetics of Spanish or French, despite their reputation. Close access to Mexico and a large portion of the continental US being formerly French and Spanish territory did more to shape the dialect than people realize. This is absolutely hilarious, seeing as the US mangles almost any word they try to pronounce, even if they at least give it the ol college try. Yes hello, this is my friend gret-shuhn, she'd like a boo-reeto with jala-peen-jos and keh-soh, I'll have the tacos loh-cohs and some sir-vey-sah. Not but for real, the us seems to make an effort even if it is a great source of amusement to hear it sometimes 
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