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Rocko Bonaparte posted:Does anybody have a recommendation for a supplier of jo staffs/staves of various lengths? I am looking for some that will take some hits from occasional paired contact practice. Kim Taylor has a wide variety and can probably do custom orders: https://sdksupplies.com/cat_bokuto.htm
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This is a really long exploration of various southern Chinese martial arts that heavily influenced Okinawa karate. You can skip around if you just want to watch the forms demonstrations: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23ARJNmZ00w If I had one critique, it's that I wish the host would show side by side the modern karate kata equivalents. Thanks to the fairly rigid passing down of forms (taolu / kata), it's very apparently that early karate inherited forms and application philosophy: - close forms from White Crane (whose ancestry to Wing Chun [the same name as the city of Yongchun in the docu]) - long form from Monk Fist Boxing - weapons (freakin tonfa and sai undiluted!) from 5 Ancestors Boxing I've never been keen on kata, but the fact that this rigid inheritance makes attributing the influences on karate a cakewalk is both impressive and culturally valuable. The guy I train Mongolian wrestling with has a rumination on the value of kata to your overall martial development: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aar4ymvB7fk
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since my schedule has been freed up recently, i was looking around to see what kinds of classes were available, preferably something not MMA, because I need to exercise and sparring is actually enjoyable, and i found two notable highlights 1: a place really close to my commute with flexible hours and lots of good reviews, which, unfortunately, has since mostly closed down due to covid 2: a place which looked okay but then had a section on the website dedicated to this, and uh,  i am pretty sure this place is a cult of some kind!
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At 3-4 days of swords a week and a few days of running on top, my feet are at their limit for repetitive impact activities. I took a BJJ trial class, I think I'm gonna sneak in a few lessons of that per week. Nothing gets me excited to go sweat like a contact art.Blaziken386 posted:since my schedule has been freed up recently, i was looking around to see what kinds of classes were available, preferably something not MMA, because I need to exercise and sparring is actually enjoyable, and i found two notable highlights Looks like a judo guy set up his own "koryu" organization in the 1980s. I can't say I'd be interested.
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Blaziken386 posted:2: a place which looked okay but then had a section on the website dedicated to this, and uh, Jesus christ 
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Crossposting from the MMA threadkimbo305 posted:*Speaking of sanshou, vlogger Sensei Seth went to train with the US Sanda team. This video shows some flavor of the throws and covers how it's scored.
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hello dead thread We're talking about updating and redecorating our club. Our club is in a fairly old part of town and the building is probably pushing 100+ years old, we own it outright so we can do whatever. Just a matter of $$. We actually removed the 80s style front facade/awning outside so we have the original old school red brick now as the exterior finish. We presently have a very good wooden training surface (think a school gymnasium floor, which is exactly what it is) that we plan to refinish, but the ceiling are those crappy drop ceiling/tiles and fluorescent lights, also like a school from the 80s. The walls are generic white painted drywall. We are thinking of putting in some 4x8 panels, kinda like this https://www.homedepot.com/p/1-4-in-x-48-in-x-96-in-HDF-Kingston-Brick-Panel-KINGSTON/311316427 and lining the perimeter of our training surface with them. What are thoughts on something like the above? Anyone do anything like that? What about drop ceilings? I realize asthetics aren't normally a huge thing for clubs, but it has never really been updated in 30+ years and is just starting to get tired... so if we're going to put some $$ and sweat equity into it regardless, might as well spruce it up to something nice. Change of topic, As much as I love to train (especially with people better than me) I am realizing that while I can hold my own well enough and I am a fairly tough old gently caress, I am just too old and slow to be competitive, especially with people less than half my age. I'm also about 5'11 but with a long torso and short appendages, so only about a 31" inseam. And in my art reach and speed are massive so I need to be creative with my attacks and counters against someone else that knows what they're doing but enjoy a speed and a arm/leg edge. I was sparring a 17-18 year old last night who is an *excellent* sparrer (actually my masters son, competes on our national team) and as I was pushing him back he delivered a beautiful jumping back kick as he was retreating. So fast, I couldn't see it coming. A simply great technique and delivered right, effective as hell. It was delivered right. Hit my right square in the chin. 1" higher, probably would have taken out my front teeth (and I just had endodental gum surgery 3 weeks ago), 1" higher than that, guaranteed a broken nose. Took 10 seconds to shake it off, and got back into it with him, but yeah, I am sore. He probably pushed my jaw in a couple inches in a direction it's not meant to travel lol. I can't chew properly and my teeth don't line up quite right. Pretty sure it's just the swelling in my jaw and should go away in a bit. Could have easily been a knock out or even broken jaw tbh, so I was lucky.
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So did you change your name to Slidebite in commemoration of taking the face kick or was it a happy accident?
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I imagine the aesthetics of your art are going to be a little different than kendo, but we like wood or wood-product paneling on the walls. Where I practice, that's sheets of plain MDF (I think) tacked up with a stain over it. I wouldn't want to get shoved or fall into bricks, is what I'm saying. Basketball wall padding might also be nice if "flat brown" is not in fashion for your club. Probably more fire-resistant, too.
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Novum posted:So did you change your name to Slidebite in commemoration of taking the face kick or was it a happy accident? Ohtori Akio posted:I imagine the aesthetics of your art are going to be a little different than kendo, but we like wood or wood-product paneling on the walls. Where I practice, that's sheets of plain MDF (I think) tacked up with a stain over it. The linked thing isn't really brick, its just a recycled wood based (I'm thinking like MDF?) panel with a faux brick look. We certainly do the odd throw, but nothing remotely like the ground based/rolling arts and never in open/free sparring. Whenever we throw it's planned and acknowledged, so ending up upside down into the wall should never happen... but crashing into it might from upright sparring or drills and losing balance. We've patched the drywall from accidents a few times.
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slidebite posted:LOL, name's always been the same my man, but maybe it's time to rename my self to "foot face" or something oh that makes sense. yeah if it was me i'd be paneling in plain MDF stained club colors or my favorite colors, just something that can wear down and be refinished periodically without looking broken per se, and not dent on impact like drywall. i wish there were more prefinished options that i had faith would wear down attractively.
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Today I also discovered I've been training enough that my legs are too thick (especially calves) to wear some brands and cuts of normal/regular pants  Which sucks, because I really liked these pants! slidebite fucked around with this message at 16:57 on Feb 25, 2024 |
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One of my judo senseis is also a vovinam master and started a club here from scratch last year. We finally got gear and started sparring for real and I've confirmed a couple things: 1) Side kicks work, quite well actually 2) Judo definitely works in a fistfight, even without grips since I have boxing gloves on 3) I need to start jogging
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Sherbert Hoover posted:One of my judo senseis is also a vovinam master and started a club here from scratch last year. We finally got gear and started sparring for real and I've confirmed a couple things: What ruleset do you spar under? What's the definition of thrown, or how do you score throws? I teach sanshou, where you can do any throw where you don't touch a knee or worse to the ground, but you have 3 seconds from the start of a clinch to finish. In that context, people rely on entering while their opponent is still striking or distracted by striking offense and muscling through the throw. Anyone with better offbalancing technique can do a lot more in that 3 seconds, provided that they are ready for covering some defensive strikes in the clinch. Working with boxing gloves is like no-gi plus, since you can't even grab wrists one handed. A huge part of sanshou throw repertoire is from kick catching, having a body part delivered to you with energy and already isolating them to one support leg. Sidekicks are undervalued in the current MMA landscape cuz of the typical arts that people typically train. In Muay Thai itself, people are frequently excellent with teeps and can transfer offense and defense for that range over to sidekicks. But yeah, anyone who doesn't understand the range is offering up a few free shots to the abs until they adjust.
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In tournaments I believe it's a 3 second clinch, but our instructor wants people to get good at grappling so he doesn't enforce it in sparring. No real takedown restrictions except no sacrifice throws and nothing obviously dangerous (except, strangely enough, scissor sweeps, which is crazy coming from judo where they've been banned as super dangerous for many decades, but vovinam specializes in them). Not sure how it's all scored yet since we haven't done a tournament yet and vovinam rules are hard to find in English.
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Front leg sidekicks are basically the equivalence of a jab but for a kick imho.
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a foot jab is a teep imho. If you got wonky legs a teep can kinda be a sidekick too but usually only the long pants karate guys attempt full on bruce lee sidekicks.
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Sherbert Hoover posted:No real takedown restrictions except no sacrifice throws and nothing obviously dangerous (except, strangely enough, scissor sweeps, which is crazy coming from judo where they've been banned as super dangerous for many decades, but vovinam specializes in them). It's not a frequent move in sanshou partly cuz it's regarded as dangerous and partly cuz it doesn't score full points (the thrower falls to the ground as well). I think it's not as dangerous in a striking context only because people will be less planted on their feet and more likely to be moving around, making it easier to pick the attacked legs off the ground before an ankle or knee gets bound between the the scissoring legs. If someone stands very high and bladed, they're much more susceptible to it being done cleanly them, compared to someone who's squared up and trudging toward you. It's like elbows in that it's hard to practice in sparring, so people who are good at it tend to have a lot of competition time where they're not afraid to throw the technique 100%. e: wait, this technique, right?: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BYfr4N7FXDE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kS_q0gwl1X8 In both videos, what makes it safer is if you plow them off balance by slamming the top leg into their stomach. You land that leg below the waist, then yeah, those knees are in trouble. kimbo305 fucked around with this message at 08:45 on Feb 26, 2024 |
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Some really troubling news: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/brit...state-1.7128425 Thoughts: I can't find any reporting on whether Lei had a coach, or what his prior experience was. If he was training with someone, that person really failed him by not being there to pull him after his first lopsided loss. If he was self-trained or untrained, the event organizers failed him in multiple ways. The biggest is of course running a ruleset/competition level way different and more demanding than advertised. The second is not having anyone spot him getting beaten up and forcing him to stop. The third is not having some assessment in the registration phase that would have filtered out someone who was grossly undertrained to compete. I'm sure lots of people here have heard of unsanctioned low level amateur events -- smokers, etc. -- with varying degrees of safety/responsibility. At my gym, we used to run them with a trained EMT hired to help assess injury and concussion. Though the intensity level never got to anything where I was concerned about anyone's safety, it seemed the right thing to do. I hear that USA Boxing is really really vigilant against smokers, and will ban teams/gyms for participating in them. It's kind of lovely because it's good for aspiring competitors to have a bridge between sparring people at your gym (people who you know in a familiar environment with no pressure) and that first amateur event (a lot of strangers looking to win by hurting you, possibly even a crowd watching your every flubbed move). But it's certainly reasonable given how poorly run an unsanctioned event can be. Places are evading this vigilance by advertising "open sparring" nights, meaning you spar people you don't know. I think this is perfectly legitimate as long as the ref can control the action in the ring and step in when either party goes past the agreed upon intensity. A lot of unsanctioned amateur events have gotten by on the cheap, thinking they'd never get into trouble with how they operated, but one person's [potential] death shows how flimsy everything was. While non-striking events are not risk free, I suspect the kind of injury potential is 20x with striking involved. kimbo305 fucked around with this message at 20:23 on Mar 1, 2024 |
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kimbo305 posted:Some really troubling news: That loving sucks. I was involved in organizing amateur boxing events in Canada for a while and got to speak to the main doctor we'd have attending the events. He told me he would call the nearest emergency room prior to an event and warn them that he might be sending them someone with a brain bleed - which is the specific injury that happened here. I have to think if this were a sanctioned event with an amateur sport association involved, then the permanent damage could have been mitigated by having a doctor on-site with a plan to get the kid treatment ASAP. Protect yourself at all times!
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The smokers in my hometown were run with an EMT and ambulance on hand. That's actually how I got on the MMA team, my D&D DM was one of the local EMTs, so he was already friends with the coach and got us a couple of free lessons as a favor. Head injuries can escalate quickly. Not having medical professionals on staff is dangerously negligent.
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A few years ago at the Kuo Shu in MD I was watching the Lei Tai (full contact raised platform fighting). This guy does a textbook roundhouse kick and catches the other guy right in the knockout point on his jaw and the person who got kicked was out on his feet, full on fencing response. He slammed backwards, smashing his head (fortunately they wear headgear) and the medical team just stood there, watching. It took almost 20-30 seconds for them to move after he slammed on the ground. I believe that was the same year my old Wing Chun Sifu told me the story about the Grandmaster who put the event together. A few years into the tournament’s life the Boxing Commission showed up, told GM he’s in violation, and that if he didn’t pay them back pay plus interest the tournament would be shuttered, indefinitely. Fortunately he had his checkbook.
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Thirteen Orphans posted:A few years ago at the Kuo Shu in MD I was watching the Lei Tai (full contact raised platform fighting). This guy does a textbook roundhouse kick and catches the other guy right in the knockout point on his jaw and the person who got kicked was out on his feet, full on fencing response. He slammed backwards, smashing his head (fortunately they wear headgear) and the medical team just stood there, watching. It took almost 20-30 seconds for them to move after he slammed on the ground. lei tai is nuts man. i get scared seeing people play rough on hard gym floors. but with elevation???
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Ohtori Akio posted:lei tai is nuts man. i get scared seeing people play rough on hard gym floors. but with elevation??? That same tourney I saw two heavyweight women fighting. Unfortunately, one was heavy because she was tall and built and the other was short and obese. When the fight started the tall woman bull-rushed the other woman and knocked her clean off the platform. She did this two more times automatically making her the victor. I am not exaggerating when I say not a single attack was actually thrown.
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Thirteen Orphans posted:That same tourney I saw two heavyweight women fighting. Unfortunately, one was heavy because she was tall and built and the other was short and obese. When the fight started the tall woman bull-rushed the other woman and knocked her clean off the platform. She did this two more times automatically making her the victor. I am not exaggerating when I say not a single attack was actually thrown. mma is beautiful. doesn't matter how good you strike if you can't deal with a takedown.
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I respect any sport with virtua fighter ring outs in the ruleset.
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Thirteen Orphans posted:When the fight started the tall woman bull-rushed the other woman and knocked her clean off the platform. She did this two more times automatically making her the victor. I am not exaggerating when I say not a single attack was actually thrown. a proper lei tai is 26ft square, with at least a 6ft apron of very cushy padding around that. Picture of the leitai used for US Sanda nationals:  That’s much wider than 6ft. I’m wearing a taichi outfit to try to psyche out whoever my opponent would be (ended up being last year’s world silver medalist). By comparison, the largest boxing ring is 24ft. If you’re a decently trained fighter, you’re not going off without plenty of advance warning. I’ve only fought on one 3 times, and only got got scored on the with a pushout once, but have been off the platform close to a dozen times on attempted pushes. When you get pushed but bring the other person off with you, it’s a no score. Even in my first leitai fight I was comfortable by the middle of the first round with standing close to the edge, baiting and looking for a counter throw. You absolutely can land outside the padded area with force, but again, it’s uncommon an opponent would let their guard down that much. This is a clip of someone getting pushed and defending by doing a huge throw instead of just pulling the attacker off: https://www.instagram.com/reel/C3Vx459Ndtl/?igsh=eWhoY2c4Z2I3dndo Dick move but fair I suppose. No score on the pushout or throw, but the incidental damage is the reward for that throw effort. Red’s heels got an ippon level slam into that hardwood. E: I’d much rather get pushed onto that apron than get thrown on 1” puzzle mat or even 2” wrestling mat, in terms of how hard that landing is. kimbo305 fucked around with this message at 06:16 on Mar 2, 2024 |
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kimbo305 posted:Some really troubling news: It really seems like a whole bunch people had to gently caress up really badly for an outcome like this.
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Yeah that just seems like a disaster all around. Not sure where the complainant is able to say whether any martial arts association can or cannot sanction any specific event, but it's just a sad situation around. Does anyone know of a north American source of large interlocking mats for competitions for a reasonable $$? That's relative of course. My club is looking to buy our own (probably around 800ish) and the price along with shipping is horrific from the suppliers we've found so far. We'll probably buy an enclosed trailer to store them too.
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Trained with our sparring team last night and we spent the first 20 minutes doing various full power kick drills up and down the floor with a partner holding the kicking bag. Last drill was full power back kicks. Get to the switch so I start holding. Get back to the beginning, one last kick to go and I tell my partner (late teens, tall lanky kid) "One more, make it your best one!" And he proceeds to kick me full tilt into the front of my thigh, right into my quad. Dropped me like a sack and gently caress me, did it hurt. No bruise yet, but it was a deep one. He dug in nicely with his heel. Made the rest of the otherwise awesome class suck and I am walking like a 95 year old cripple this am lol.
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Thirteen Orphans posted:Unfortunately, one was heavy because she was tall and built and the other was short and obese. I won't compete in Jiujitsu again until I can get down to a moderately lean bodyfat; it's just such a gulf if you sign up fat and your opponent, of the same weight, signs up lean. They feel like a totally different person when they grab you. I don't know what, if anything, could be done to make it fairer; I mean in a since it's already fair because you can just be in better shape, but still, it's keeping me out of tournaments. With Judo it isn't a problem around here because they have few enough people doing Judo that they throw all the vaguely similar people into matches so it's not so much of a constantly disadvantaged position.
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Jack B Nimble posted:I won't compete in Jiujitsu again until I can get down to a moderately lean bodyfat; it's just such a gulf if you sign up fat and your opponent, of the same weight, signs up lean. They feel like a totally different person when they grab you. Can’t you do a masters or directors division? I think all of us are around that age.
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I can, and that helps, but fundamentally if I'm an overweight 190 and I used to compete at 165, running into anyone that's a really lean 190, whether they're 18 or 38, it's another level physically. It's not a big deal in the gym, but in a tournament where everything is dialed up to 9 and we're all just a LITTLE less concerned with hurting our opponent, I don't want to feel physically overwhelmed.
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I made this post in the Boston LAN thread for an interested poster, but given how much work it was, I might as well share it here. Any and all commentary is welcome. kimbo305 posted:Engage maximum effort post reading mode.
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I learned today that I'm very bad at kicking.
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Hellblazer187 posted:I learned today that I'm very bad at kicking.  I came in from judo and started a striking style about 6 months ago and said the exact same thing. Way, way better now. Not sticking your face right into someone's hook, that's the hard part.
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Sherbert Hoover posted:
Yah. There's Muay Thai class after the BJJ class I was going to ordinarily. So, I decided I should learn some striking. I will probably never have a fight of any kind as long as I live, but if I do, a little kick punch will help me.
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And even if 90% of your game is BJJ, having even a little exposure to baiting a right hand and then avoiding it as you grab the person is important. It's one of those "filtering" situations, if the person is throwing a lot of wild punches and you don't know how you're going to grab them, it can make you hesitate and just prolong the part of the fight where they're most comfortable and you're least.
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Training any striking art that allows clinch work will help you stay on your feet on your own terms for longer than if you didn't train it. Footwork that works when you have to protect your head from strikes works just as well when you don't have that concern. My students say they have really high transfer from boxing gloves-on, no gi clinches and throws in sanshou to open hands and gis in their BJJ classes. It mostly speaks to not emphasizing that domain in the average BJJ class, but at lower belt levels, yeah, the differential is dramatic.
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So my father taught my sister and I, as early as he could, Hapkido breakfalls and rolls (what Aikido calls ukemi). I remember a few years ago seeing for the first time a presentation on I think shuai jiao where their technique for falling is to tighten the whole body into a kind of fetal position, landing on the side and protecting the head. Has anybody here practiced this or both styles of breakfalls and can elucidate the logic behind this fascinating technique?
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