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Weka posted:I don't really know but just going off wiki it has half the range and a quarter the firing rate of the Koalitsiya, which sure, there are not that many of, but looks like maybe that will change, Maybe eventually. Debuted in development in 2015 and first reported deployed in “isolated instances” according to Russian state media with delivery numbers of single or very low double digits, counting prototypes. If it passes muster and gets fielded by the hundreds, sure. Until then, appears more like an early model or trial. In late January of 2024, Russian media reported ”’The first batch of Koalitsia-SV 2S35 self-propelled artillery complex is at the final production stage,’ [the defense contractor] said “ meanwhile, Shoigu: “Shoigu inspected the production and overhaul of Msta-S 2S19, Acacia 2S3, Tyulpan 2S4, Giatsint 2S5 and Koalitsia-SV 2S35 guns at the enterprise and specified the plans for the upcoming months. Yemelyanov said the enterprise had the required capacities to increase the production. "If you have the capacity, we should use it," Shoigu responded. He criticized Uraltransmash for the delay in the production of Koalitsia-SV guns. "We began to deal with it in 2022. The vehicles had to operate in full in 2023, but it is quiet here," he said. Shoigu admitted that the production and overhaul of Msta-S self-propelled guns had acquired a higher pace and the same should happen with other guns. "I would like to receive a report in a week on how we shall reach the indicators," he said.” https://tass.com/defense/1739487/amp quote:
Yeah maybe but it’s still pretty drat early to see how many and when this thing will be operationally fielded if it does well in operational test. E: if it works, it will be a countey deciding to use 15xmm cannon for 70+ km ranges 
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DJJIB-DJDCT posted:I had the displeasure of hearing someone refer to "our western heritage" as "Plato to NATO" today. From the Platonic Ideal to the NATOnic Plateau. From the Allegory of the Cave to the Military of the Craven. From Platonic Friendships to NATOs sinking ships. From Plato's dialogues to NATO's dying, Cloud.
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so who is diogenes in this particular comparison?
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Cerebral Bore posted:so who is diogenes in this particular comparison? Drilldo squirt
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Cerebral Bore posted:so who is diogenes in this particular comparison? turkey? they just seem to be busy doing their own thing within nato
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living with the dogs of the us empire, beatin it.
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Votskomit posted:From the Platonic Ideal to the NATOnic Plateau.
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dk2m posted:turkey? they just seem to be busy doing their own thing within nato Turkey masturbates at the theatre and shits in the forum?
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mycomancy posted:Turkey masturbates at the theatre and shits in the forum?
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I found a great youtube video about what a piece of poo poo the Norden bombsight was. It hits a ton of things from this thread. Precision bombing, the Army Air Corp wanting to be separate from the army, marketing, propaganda, marketing combined with propaganda, wunderwaffen, and nepotism. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6D5rXbMBKo
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Also apparently a spy passed them along to the Germans before America even entered the war, so the much vaunted secrecy was pointless
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DJJIB-DJDCT posted:Also apparently a spy passed them along to the Germans before America even entered the war, so the much vaunted secrecy was pointless It's in the video, also much of the vaunted secrecy was essentially a marketing stunt. Edit: The US knew pretty early on that the Norden bombsight had already been stolen. BearsBearsBears has issued a correction as of 01:40 on Mar 15, 2024 |
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BearsBearsBears posted:I found a great youtube video about what a piece of poo poo the Norden bombsight was. It hits a ton of things from this thread. Precision bombing, the Army Air Corp wanting to be separate from the army, marketing, propaganda, marketing combined with propaganda, wunderwaffen, and nepotism. truly nothing has changed huh
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mawarannahr posted:That's right Hell yeah
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Votskomit posted:From the Platonic Ideal to the NATOnic Plateau. Well, there's continuity on the pederasty front, at least. Also on the "world would be far better off if they decisively lose a war to Persia" front. Pomeroy has issued a correction as of 04:18 on Mar 15, 2024 |
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DJJIB-DJDCT posted:I had the displeasure of hearing someone refer to "our western heritage" as "Plato to NATO" today. An in-depth intellectual history of the Western idea and a passionate defense of its importance to America's future, From Plato to NATO is the first book to make sense of the legacy of the West at a time when it is facing its greatest challenges. Readers of Francis Fukuyama, John Gray, Samuel Huntington, and other analysts of the dilemmas of Western nations in the twenty-first century will find in David Gress's original account a fuller description of what the West really is and how, with the best of intentions, it has been misrepresented. Most important, they will encounter a new vision of Western identity and how it can be recovered. Early in the twentieth century, American educators put together a story of Western civilization, its origins, history, and promise that for the subsequent fifty years remained at the heart of American college education. The story they told was of a Western civilization that began with the Greeks and continued through 2,500 years of great books and great ideas, culminating in twentieth-century progressive liberal democracy, science, and capitalist prosperity. In the 1960s, this Grand Narrative of the West came under attack. Over the next thirty years, the critics turned this old story into its a series of anti-narratives about the evils, the failures, and the betrayals of justice that, so they said, constituted Western history. The victory of Western values at the end of the cold war, the spread of democracy and capitalism, and the worldwide impact of American popular culture have not revived the Grand Narrative in the European and American heartlands of the West. David Gress explains this paradox, arguing that the Grand Narrative of the West was flawed from the that the West did not begin in Greece and that, in morality and religion, the Greeks were an alien civilization whose contribution was mediated through Rome and Christianity. Furthermore, in assuming a continuity from the Greeks to modern liberalism, we have mistakenly downplayed or rejected everything in between, focusing on the great ideas and the great books rather than on real history with all its ambiguities, conflicts, and contradictions. The heart of Gress's case for the future of the West is that the New must remember its roots in the Old and seek a synthesis. For as the attacks have demonstrated, the New West cannot stand alone. Its very virtues -- liberty, reason, progress -- grew out of the Old West and cannot flourish when removed from that rich soil.
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China is planning to pull further ahead of the US in the construction of high speed rail(guns). https://www.scmp.com/news/china/sci...ic-planes-space BearsBearsBears has issued a correction as of 06:27 on Mar 15, 2024 |
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That's what they use for space launches in Gundam so chinas making the right call here
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BearsBearsBears posted:I found a great youtube video about what a piece of poo poo the Norden bombsight was. It hits a ton of things from this thread. Precision bombing, the Army Air Corp wanting to be separate from the army, marketing, propaganda, marketing combined with propaganda, wunderwaffen, and nepotism. I remember playing IL-2 1946 and getting a grounding (pun intended) perspective about the Norden That game would let you fly other bombers besides the B-17, like the He-111 or the Pe-2 (the latter not necessarily used as a level bomber, but still had bombsights for level bombing) the controls for the bombsight adjustment was always the same: set the [ground/true] airspeed, and set the altitude in the Norden, we know that you would line up the sight with the target, and then you'd turn it on, and the altitude setting would determine how "far ahead" the bombsight would look, and the ground speed setting would determine how quickly the bomb release would tick down to zero and this makes sense: the higher you are, the longer the bombs take to fall, so you have to "lead" the target by more, and the faster you are, the sooner you'll get to the release point. You could even guesstimate the ground speed instead of doing the math by simply adjusting the speed setting until the target stops moving relative to the mechanical tracking of the bomb sight as it winds down to release. on the bombers without a Norden, setting the altitude meant your camera view would slew forward or backwards, and then the ground speed setting would place crosshairs somewhere within that camera view. Because there was no mechanical tracking, you couldn't fake the ground speed setting since the crosshairs would never move on their own, but the principle was still the same: the higher you were, the longer the bombs would take to fall, and you would have to look ahead farther, and the faster you were going, the sooner you would hit the point of needing to release the bombs. As soon as the target entered the crosshairs, you'd release your bombs. Now, I don't know if non-mechanical bombsights worked exactly like how this video game did it, but it was then that I realized that while the Norden was automating some parts of the process, and could maybe be somewhat more precise in some aspects, the broad strokes of the overall formula for putting bombs-on-target was still the same, so it couldn't possibly be as accurate as it was claimed
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Stairmaster posted:That's what they use for space launches in Gundam so chinas making the right call here
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mlmp08 posted:I haven’t read it yet, but here’s a paper on the US ceasing support of Canada’s legacy M109A1-A4 family. https://apps.dtic.mil/sti/citations/ADA361677 Having scanned some of this now, some interesting background on Canada and their M109A1-A4 lifecycle. Canada bought M109s in two batches, 1965 and 1985, generally a generation or two behind where the US was, but that was not uncommon for export and NATO purchasers. By the 1990s, the US was on an essentially different turret (A6 models) and announced it would no longer support the legacy, modified Canadian variants. Canada had also changed some portions of the drivetrain (engine), but the primary difference was in the turret. So Canada was left with deciding which of several typical models it would use to maintain its fleet, such as NATO partnership deals, direct sales from commerce, etc. Where it gets a bit more interesting is stuff like: Canada made a fair number of Canadian-only modifications but did not maintain proper configuration control and logs or equipment stores across its fleet, so their M109s were not properly standardized. This eventually led to a program for Canada to take apart samples of its M109 variants and compare them part for part to see what was different and what was still the same  quote:A benefit ofthe NAMSA/WSPC providing supply support for the Canadian Army A fair number of the legacy M109 users who did not upgrade to the later versions, but also made their own nation-specific mods had some of these problems when it came to all getting on one international sheet of configuration agreement, but Canada's setup was out of step within its own ranks and without a plan to source those parts. A lot of discussion of whether or not the M109 was strategically necessary (the Canadian artillerists interviewed suggest it is, while other senior leaders state that it is not necessary in the period of the 1990s). Additionally, usage logs and deployment ops show that Canada was just not driving the M109 very much in the 90s compared to 80s and deploying the soldiers who would normally man the M109 on largely non-artillery missions like using them as peacekeeping infantry/security forces in Kosovo while their M109s sat home. The combo of antiquated systems, low budgets post-cold war, failure to config control while doing domestic mods, plus a general lack of interest from national leadership in sustaining the equipment and the force make for quite a mess for Canada's self-propelled gun fleet before they slated for divestment a few years after this paper was written.
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Zeppelin Insanity posted:Russia using old stockpiles means Russia is losing badly. It is self-evident. Wait let me try. Russia building new supersonic strategic bombers is bad news for Russia! https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/russias-new-tu-160m-bomber-looks-trouble-nato-209904 quote:Russia's New Tu-160M Bomber Looks Like Trouble for NATO Video with dramatic scary music https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTK6prGKuzw
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They used a superwide angle lens that sold the Tu160 short. Just use a normal camera and shoot it further away. Big Swam is such a good looking plane in normal angles.
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Trabisnikof posted:An in-depth intellectual history of the Western idea and a passionate defense of its importance to America's future, From Plato to NATO is the first book to make sense of the legacy of the West at a time when it is facing its greatest challenges. Readers of Francis Fukuyama, John Gray, Samuel Huntington, and other analysts of the dilemmas of Western nations in the twenty-first century will find in David Gress's original account a fuller description of what the West really is and how, with the best of intentions, it has been misrepresented. Most important, they will encounter a new vision of Western identity and how it can be recovered. *gun cocking noise*
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Canada has placed its domestic jet fighter training on hold, as it retires its trainer aircraft. In the meantime, solutions are to send pilots to the US, Italy, or maybe Finland to train. https://x.com/flightglobal/status/1767611873510215817?s=46&t=fppHBZSlD4AbSz5pJxjFMQ
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Orange Devil posted:Plato was a dumb rear end in a top hat. this is true
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Hatebag posted:there's gotta be some kinda "behold: a man!" joke where nato's definition of some materiel is phrased in a misinterpretable way but i don't have the wherewithal to make it Pretend I posted a picture of that penguin in Norway that they made a general and do photo ops of it inspecting the troops. "Behold an army"
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picture of an xls spreadsheet with "behold an amory"
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Orange Devil posted:Plato was a dumb rear end in a top hat. That's just something someone bronze would say 
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  DPRK's newest tank (first unveiled in 2020) already has an upgraded variant. Personally I'm a layman but tank understanders I know consider it to be fairly significant, in particular that these apparently have two day\night (and possibly thermal) sights - one for commander and one for gunner. Apparently that is not unusual, but considered fairly advanced. Australian Abrams apparently do not have this capability. Also, the shape of these sights is far more similar to a Leopard rather than Chinese sights, so it is a reasonable assumption that they are not simply purchased from China.
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