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Don't know what you're talking about, my Sword Brethren are perfectly happy to be equipped with lightning claws
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Mar 14, 2024 16:03
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https://cdn.fbsbx.com/v/t59.2708-21...e=65F4848B&dl=1 Entire Tau codex leak, minus a couple datasheets (Vespids and Pathfinders?)
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Yeah, distinctly unenthused by those Crisis Suit changes. I feel GW trying to cut out the CIB spam, but overall pretty dire.
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Mar 14, 2024 16:39
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Only four detachments huh? Weird that they couldn't pull another two out of their rear end. Montka and Retaliation Cadre look tasty tho
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Mar 14, 2024 16:49
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The Deleter posted:Only four detachments huh? Weird that they couldn't pull another two out of their rear end. Montka and Retaliation Cadre look tasty tho We're missing a few pages, so there may be a fifth that's just not included.
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raverrn posted:Yeah, distinctly unenthused by those Crisis Suit changes. I feel GW trying to cut out the CIB spam, but overall pretty dire. Double Flamer Crisis Suits in the Suit Detachment are shooting 6D6 S5 AP-2 1 damage shots at close range, that's already putting Terminators on their invuln save (without AOC) and you can slap Farsight in there to wound on 3+. Everything all depends on points.
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There's a little play there, I grant you - though I'd look more at a coldstar commander adding 20 burst cannon shots - the Prototype upgrade handing out Lethal Hits could make that a decent looker. Stealth Suits allowing you to re-roll 1s to Hit and Wound is also a nice little bonus. But Crisis Suits themselves? Biggest loving oof in the world. They nerfed Plasma Rifles for some reason, lost their set-distance advance, lost the third gun slot, lost the option for 4++ on most, lost the ability to up squad size, gently caress they won't even let you take two shield drones any more. It's like there was a brainstorming session to reign them in and they just did everything.
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raverrn posted:They nerfed Plasma Rifles for some reason, I think this is because they gave 2/3 of the new suit sheets 2 weapon options. Burst Cannon vs Flamer sure, the Burst Cannons have higher S, more reliable number of attacks and better range but the Flamers ignore cover and auto hit. Plasma Rifle vs Missile Pod. If the Plasma was kept at 24" you'd never consider missiles. Now you gotta.
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raverrn posted:Yeah, distinctly unenthused by those Crisis Suit changes. I feel GW trying to cut out the CIB spam, but overall pretty dire. They should at least be cheap.
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Eej posted:https://cdn.fbsbx.com/v/t59.2708-21...e=65F4848B&dl=1 Pretty sure Vespids are temporarily in hibernation or moved to Legends until their Kill Team models get released and then they'll have a dataslate. Pathfinders are definitely in the but just not leaked yet.
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Eej posted:https://cdn.fbsbx.com/v/t59.2708-21...e=65F4848B&dl=1 I finally painted my 20+ year old metal Aun'Shi and it seems he's been forcibly retired. Rules question-- I was playing a game with a buddy at our local Warhammer store, and somehow the charge rules came up for clarification. My understanding for charges has always been you must roll the number of inches measured from the base of the nearest charging model to the closest charged model to succeed. However, the store manager looked closer at the rules as written and it states you only have to get within engagement range to succeed. This essentially means that each charge is successful at -1" of the measurement (ie, a deep strike unit really only needs to roll an 8 to get into melee). This doesn't feel right to me, but it appears to be consistent with the literal reading of the rule. Anyone understand the charge rules this way, or do you have to roll the full distance to get into cc?
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A deep strike must be set up more than 9" away from enemy units. Therefore an 8" charge would get you 1.0000001" away from your target and therefore not within 1".
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Ah, makes sense in that case then. Still, it seems the target roll is effectively distance minus one inch for melee, is that the letter and spirit of the rule?
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Stealth suits reroll hits of 1 in addition to wounds of 1, which should make tetras a lot less important
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Yes, engagement distance is 1" and models can fight from that range. In some instances models can fight over a 2" distance because of terrain specific rules.
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Pungent Mammy posted:I finally painted my 20+ year old metal Aun'Shi and it seems he's been forcibly retired. To add on to what others said (8 inch distance is a 7-inch charge, etc), there's also a bit of rules that says you have to charge base-to-base if possible. What this means is that if you have a 5" charge, but roll a 12, you still have to end base-to-base. You can't use the extra movement for shenanigans like getting on objectives or whatever. It does NOT mean that all charges have to be base-to-base. I bring this up because people have misinterpreted this *all* the time in my local groups and it's actually a huge deal. Making charges is one of the swingiest points in the game; it's pretty important to know if you get there or not. AnEdgelord posted:Don't know what you're talking about, my Sword Brethren are perfectly happy to be equipped with lightning claws Hell yeah buddy, D2 lightning claws are a helluva drug.
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I'm gonna call a preemptive RIP to aun'shi and aun'va but I'll be happy if aun'shi survives. I remmeber trying so hard to get him to work in 3rd edition and being disaapointed that no, he couldn't fight a carnifex solo
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Spanish Manlove posted:They were fun for a few seconds and then you get to splitting hairs on what's underneath it Blast templates, even the little sizes, being back for Old World is one of my least favorite things. "Ok so I hit x guys and roll for the x guys that look half under it, let's check how many are half, ok, they... you agree, Ms Opponent???" Good lord you hit my regiment, roll max damage for the whole thing and let's loving move on!
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The Deleter posted:I'm gonna call a preemptive RIP to aun'shi and aun'va but I'll be happy if aun'shi survives. I remmeber trying so hard to get him to work in 3rd edition and being disaapointed that no, he couldn't fight a carnifex solo I hate the idea of good models being retired. How does a hologram model even fight, though?
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Blinding them with lasers?
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Professor Shark posted:I hate the idea of good models being retired. Aun'shi was the one Ethereal who got/gets his hands dirty and his model was alright for a little metal thing. I hope he gets re-engineered or something. According to the battlefleet gothic book he was leading an expedition to reclaim the farsight enclaves so if you wanted an excuse to bring him back that'd do it.
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Are they truly "good" if they're finecast...
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Professor Shark posted:I hate the idea of good models being retired. I think we answered this in Star Wars 8.
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So, I've been way out of the miniatures games for a while, but... Imperial/Chaos Knights. I like the look of them but are they any fun to play/play against?
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I don’t play my Chaos Knights in friendly games because I’m afraid they’ll skew too hard, but in tournament play where people are kind of expected to bring take-all-comers lists, I’ve had a lot of really great games.
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I saw someone theorize that a Combat Patrol box for Imperial Knights might be as few as one model, is this true? Do they have like, support infantry or would you just use some IG for that?
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Nessus posted:I saw someone theorize that a Combat Patrol box for Imperial Knights might be as few as one model, is this true? Do they have like, support infantry or would you just use some IG for that? They had the big Christmas army box of one Questoris and 4 Armigers so I would expect a combat patrol to be one Questoris and 2 Armigers. Now that I think about it the army release box for Chaos Knights was the Abominant and two War Dogs so that checks out since they’re usually similar to combat patrols but with the Codex.
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Aren't combat patrol boxes priced around 125 €/$? A Knight Crusader cost more than that. Why even bother to release a combat patrol box, they might as well just have just an army box.
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Decorus posted:Aren't combat patrol boxes priced around 125 €/$? A Knight Crusader cost more than that. A standard Questoris Knight with two Armigers is £160 direct from GW. A 40% discount (like a few of the other boxes have) would put that right at £95 like the other combat patrols.
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The Knights combat patrol won't be a Questoris and two Armigers because they want these boxes to be sort of balanced and playable against each other. A Questoris would poo poo all over every other combat patrol and would barely take a wound in return. I don't think it's possible to make a Knight combat patrol.
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Geisladisk posted:The Knights combat patrol won't be a Questoris and two Armigers because they want these boxes to be sort of balanced and playable against each other. A Questoris would poo poo all over every other combat patrol and would barely take a wound in return.
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Mercurius posted:I think you might be getting mixed up with the pricing on the Dominus or Cerastus knights which are larger and cost more than the ‘normal’ knights. I made the mistake of assuming that Armigers only came one per box (70€). How are they so cheap?!?! A basic Knight costs 140€ on GWs site, so you're right that it puts the total at just about 40% discount. More generally I can't see a way to balance any kind of Combat Patrol for Knights either.
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Wouldn't two armagers (one of each type) be more or less balanced against most combat patrol boxes?
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Never played against knights but the Armiger doesnt look crazy to me. About on par with the ghostkeel which is in the tau combat patrol, or the wraithlord in eldar. Two armigers would be a lot to deal with though I think.
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I wonder if they might do some combat patrol specific nerfs, there's precedent for it. (Or just keep not having a knights combat patrol.)
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Skew lists aren't fun at low points, I don't think taking a couple of Armigers is any worse then taking a couple tanks necessarily, but the problem is that is all knights can do. If you aren't going to mostly be playing 2k points I would think knights are a bad choice for your army.
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neaden posted:Skew lists aren't fun at low points, I don't think taking a couple of Armigers is any worse then taking a couple tanks necessarily, but the problem is that is all knights can do. If you aren't going to mostly be playing 2k points I would think knights are a bad choice for your army. Yeah. Many patrols would struggle to kill even one Armiger. Even if you could maneuver around two unkillable mechs to score objectives I doubt it would be a lot of fun.
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neaden posted:Skew lists aren't fun at low points, I don't think taking a couple of Armigers is any worse then taking a couple tanks necessarily, but the problem is that is all knights can do. If you aren't going to mostly be playing 2k points I would think knights are a bad choice for your army. Knights aren’t fun to face at 2000 points either.
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