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16-bit Butt-Head
Dec 25, 2014

euroshopper posted:

oh wait i didn't read the last part of that post wtf

you're so stupid lol

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mycatscrimes
Jan 2, 2020

bird. posted:

Still recovering from the tonal whiplash of how casually the details are revealed one after the other, "..and at this point he had developed a crystal meth addiction..."

It's a real 'truth is weirder than fiction' story

Veotax
May 16, 2006


Zore posted:

the game is called 'Tell Me Why'

Oh, I somehow missed the title in there. I'm dumb.

Kinda thought it was going to be Last of Us 2 or something, that's the only other 'big' game I've heard of having a trans guy in it.

Jimbot
Jul 22, 2008

Only good take on gamergate, in my opinion:



They have a small thread that expands upon that:

https://twitter.com/alienmelon/status/1768334484150354121

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

tell me why is amazingcause they were asked about if they had any trans people working on it or had talked to any trans people and they went 'don't worry: we've worked with GLAAD.'

then they put out a giant list of things that WOULDNT HAPPEN IN THE GAME



as if trans people are loving moron babies who will cry and revolt if anything bad happens in a video game. i get warnings if the game depicts transphobia but they literally put out a giant like 12 point FAQ about every single bad thing that wont happen in this super apologetic tone.

Catgirl Al Capone
Dec 15, 2007

Sydin posted:

Yeah stuff like this, dorito pope, etc kinda had it ingrained even in not terribly online people that games journalism was an unserious business that mostly just existed to shill games for studios that bribed them enough with ads and early review access access which... wasn't and honestly to this day still isn't exactly inaccurate but then GG took this and spun it into a secret shadowy pact to push one person's mediocre indie game and uh...

i distinctly remember there were a ton of people who got on board for like 5 minutes assuming they'd be going after the forces responsible for poo poo like the kane & lynch review fiasco only to realize it was like 90% going after one woman who made a simple text game about depression that got mentioned in passing in an article

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

the protagonist of this video game gets knocked over once. we're so sorry. we're so loving sorry. we promise this isnt motivated by transphobia. please!!! forgive us!!!

mycatscrimes
Jan 2, 2020
They're going to have to lock the wikipedia article about worker ants that can lay eggs again...

Jimbot
Jul 22, 2008

Endorph posted:

tell me why is amazingcause they were asked about if they had any trans people working on it or had talked to any trans people and they went 'don't worry: we've worked with GLAAD.'

then they put out a giant list of things that WOULDNT HAPPEN IN THE GAME



Holy crap, this is so condescending. This is like transphobia in the opposite direction. Like you said, it's treating trans folks like they're precious children who need to be protected from the horrors of storytelling. These developers don't think very highly of the trans community if they have to post crap like this.

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

Jimbot posted:

Holy crap, this is so condescending. This is like transphobia in the opposite direction. Like you said, it's treating trans folks like they're precious children who need to be protected from the horrors of storytelling. These developers don't think very highly of the trans community if they have to post crap like this.

its stil up lol

https://www.tellmewhygame.com/faq/

quote:

Is Tyler misgendered in Tell Me Why? (SPOILERS)
Chapter 1 of Tell Me Why contains three instances of misgendering, two of which are in cutscenes. The first instance occurs in a flashback with Tyler’s mother in the twins’ bedroom, before she understood that Tyler was a boy. The second instance occurs when Sam Kansky, an old family friend, sees Tyler in the Ronan house and uses inappropriate language to comment on his transition. In both cases, Tyler responds by asserting his gender. One other instance occurs during an optional conversation with Alexander on the ferry. There is no misgendering in Chapters 2 or 3.

In some localized versions of Tell Me Why, standard grammatical rules made it necessary for some characters to refer to both Ronan twins with feminine-gendered language in flashback scenes, when they were children. Players experiencing Tell Me Why in these languages will hear feminine-gendered language to refer to both young Alyson and young Tyler during flashbacks.

this faq and the game got praise from the same outlets that hounded random trans creators for using deadnames in their games once. dogshit scam racket designed to make it impossible for trans people to speak their own truth

DeafNote
Jun 4, 2014

Only Happy When It Rains

euroshopper posted:

some "emulation only" guys are annoying but kotaku were unironically brave for posting that article

Wasnt the problem that they were also telling people how to pirate the game along with how to emulate it?
Emulation itself shouldnt be a problem, but then again Nintendo..

Arc Hammer
Mar 4, 2013

Got any deathsticks?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7SfsJ0X-2fk

This is the kind of online content I crave.

repiv
Aug 13, 2009


CelticPredator
Oct 11, 2013
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It’s fanklestine

pentyne
Nov 7, 2012

Endorph posted:

tell me why is amazingcause they were asked about if they had any trans people working on it or had talked to any trans people and they went 'don't worry: we've worked with GLAAD.'

then they put out a giant list of things that WOULDNT HAPPEN IN THE GAME



as if trans people are loving moron babies who will cry and revolt if anything bad happens in a video game. i get warnings if the game depicts transphobia but they literally put out a giant like 12 point FAQ about every single bad thing that wont happen in this super apologetic tone.

Meanwhile in LiS2 an American born latino child is threatened with serious violence by two Texas good ol' boys if he doesn't say he's a dirty wetback who belongs back in his shithole home country

This happens several episodes after a old white shopkeeper sucker punches and chains him to a radiator for fitting a description.

Whirling
Feb 23, 2023

16-bit Butt-Head posted:

games journalism rules because they just openly post about their fetishes and call them "funny mods" lol

thinking about that time vice waypoint randomly posted porn fanfic of 9S from Nier Automata getting forced to wear a dress by 2B and A2

16-bit Butt-Head
Dec 25, 2014
was trying to find the article that got kotaku blacklisted but instead found a journalism website where the article writers RP as the koopalings

Violen
Jul 25, 2009

ohoho~

16-bit Butt-Head posted:

was trying to find the article that got kotaku blacklisted but instead found a journalism website where the article writers RP as the koopalings

lol hell yes

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

16-bit Butt-Head posted:

was trying to find the article that got kotaku blacklisted but instead found a journalism website where the article writers RP as the koopalings
if you mean lemmy land i read that site a lot when i was 6. if that guy is still updating it then god bless

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009



this is web design

16-bit Butt-Head
Dec 25, 2014

Endorph posted:

if you mean lemmy land i read that site a lot when i was 6. if that guy is still updating it then god bless

https://www.koopatv.org/2023/05/kotaku-blacklisted-by-nintendo.html

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

wait theres a separate site with that same gimmick

KingKalamari
Aug 24, 2007

Fuzzy dice, bongos in the back
My ship of love is ready to attack

Endorph posted:



this is web design

Oh holy poo poo, that's still up? That was like the first website community I ever got involved with.

It was also the start of a sort of six degrees of separation link-hopping journey that eventually brought me to this site, oddly enough...

DeafNote
Jun 4, 2014

Only Happy When It Rains
Who wants to see Jose dunk on Critical Drinker?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4vlT3YUKq8

Lol at Critical Drinker praising Kara 'Starbuck' and then Jose shows a post from the original Starbuck that sounds exactly like Critical Drinker sounds now

KingKalamari
Aug 24, 2007

Fuzzy dice, bongos in the back
My ship of love is ready to attack

DeafNote posted:

Who wants to see Jose dunk on Critical Drinker?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4vlT3YUKq8

Lol at Critical Drinker praising Kara 'Starbuck' and then Jose shows a post from the original Starbuck that sounds exactly like Critical Drinker sounds now

I'm just watching this now and am amused by how many of Critical Drinker's gripes come down to a complete inability to accept the concept of a woman being physically stronger than a man. I want to see him climb in the ring with a female MMA fighter and complain about how unrealistic it is she's kicking his rear end...

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

KingKalamari posted:

Oh holy poo poo, that's still up? That was like the first website community I ever got involved with.

It was also the start of a sort of six degrees of separation link-hopping journey that eventually brought me to this site, oddly enough...
its still up but sadly none of the links on the site seem to work anymore at all, you can only get the front page going

Inspector Gesicht
Oct 26, 2012

500 Zeus a body.


Majuular on the obscure From Software game that isn't King's Field.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NOzDZUXT_VI

Pigbuster
Sep 12, 2010

Fun Shoe

Endorph posted:

its stil up lol

https://www.tellmewhygame.com/faq/

this faq and the game got praise from the same outlets that hounded random trans creators for using deadnames in their games once. dogshit scam racket designed to make it impossible for trans people to speak their own truth

That it was released the same year as Isabel Fall's harassment is especially grim.

Kunster
Dec 24, 2006

One of the things that amused me the most about Kotaku and emulation is that I got to watch someone who would constantly post conspiracy-core poo poo suddenly get really whiny about someone saying that video game piracy helped greatly with games preservation. Like a guy who would make constant jabs about the WEF and alphabet agencies and so on (but would keep posting on how we need to start a war with China or North Korea) suddenly become the bowtie guy from the Atari Pole Position advert. The old gg crowd was full of those types and I'm glad to have a rolodex of games news, both about old and new.

And sure, those types are still around trying to figure out a way to go on about this, like getting really mad at people who make the most basic "Huh, HellDivers is a bit like StarShip Troopers and their society was messed uuuuuuup" comments, but we now live in a world where the site that came from Gawker alumini is posting articles about Balatro.

The 7th Guest
Dec 17, 2003

Don’t Nod may suck at Telltale gaming but Jusant was good as hell

I recommend they stick in that direction

Famethrowa
Oct 5, 2012

if this thread becomes a gamergate thread it should be immediately destroyed.

Fil5000
Jun 23, 2003

HOLD ON GUYS I'M POSTING ABOUT INTERNET ROBOTS
More like we should build a gate and lock it to keep the gamers out

cumpantry
Dec 18, 2020

i like this thread

achillesforever6
Apr 23, 2012

psst you wanna do a communism?

Jimbot posted:

It got sold to a company that didn't give a poo poo, then got sold to another company who gave even less of a poo poo. Really, it just changed hands a few times, each to one entity after the next who progressively didn't care about the people who worked under that brand.

Fandom owns it now and they fired video producers that worked on a website known for producing videos (Voidburger and Jason). Before that, during the buyout by Fandom a lot of the older crew decided not to renew their contract. Jeff was fired some months later but he was planning on leaving. The people who remain are folks whom opinions I really don't care about and aren't entertaining or informative enough. They occasionally have Gamespot people on who I think are alright but not enough to stick around. Dan's fine but he needs someone like Vinny to bounce off of otherwise he's just doing his super annoying bit to a peanut gallery.
Thinking back reminds me how Spill died

Dawgstar
Jul 15, 2017

KingKalamari posted:

I'm just watching this now and am amused by how many of Critical Drinker's gripes come down to a complete inability to accept the concept of a woman being physically stronger than a man. I want to see him climb in the ring with a female MMA fighter and complain about how unrealistic it is she's kicking his rear end...

Nearly 2 million subscribers to listen to a guy complain about Brie Larson who sounds like he's got impacted bowels.

TelevisedInsanity
Dec 19, 2008

"You'll never know if you can fly unless you take the risk of falling."
I personally think game journalism is a dying medium, because every facet associated has in some form, been "compromised"

Previews? - you can just read the press release, see the trailer, hire a content creator to play the game before launch to sell copies. Get a social media manager and community manager to build a discord server and an Instagram or Twitter account to remind people Edgy Trenchcoat Guy's name is "fryd oxyxcx"

Reviews? You already know that's the big one, between metacritic, and anybody being a critic online. The days of a journalist speeding through a game to "be the first" is no longer, give the game early to a content creator to sell the game early, everybody has a podcast, or they are going to vlog about it. Most will be "hyped" and say it's a game of the year, but then stop playing it because the cycle continued and they need to do that next game. Others will milk the game through long plays, maybe a fun YouTube let's play series. But there's again, no need.

You could even, just bullshit and project whatever you want! Get angry at the game for having women and minorities as mains, get into the video essay world about how the assassins creed series can teach us capitalism bad.

It doesn't matter anymore! But don't you dare be mid! It's the best game in the world 10/10 or it's the angry video game nerd shitload of gently caress.

Tips and Tricks? Well, most games lack cheat codes these days, so unless it's "pay money" for dlc, good luck. You can watch pretty much every level of every game and every boss fight to "see what you did wrong" that strategy guides and in many ways GameFAQs aren't needed anymore.

So all that leaves is op-eds and for journalists at all these major publicans, they don't have the time, which means, you have to leave it to the content creators to fill in the gap.

However, for every Stephanie Sterling or even a Yahtzee, you find many just trying to sound like gatekeeping assholes, "why are there so many fake gamers?" "Why games do the woke, I don't like the woke" and are still stuck in this isolated bubble where console wars mattered (it didn't) and"games weren't political" (they were)

Which just makes a scary mess, text became video, and most people covering games now have to build a "personality" and companies will just lay anybody off for that quarterly warnings, as they frame it the same way as "entertainment" (which is, in many ways, how the news industry is treated in general)

So, I'm very happy there are places like Aftermath around, even if it's all a vanity project these days. Because as it currently stands. Everything is becoming AI generated.

and I'm a big fan of "Inside Baseball Week"

As it tells me, all these people screaming "ethics" or trying to explain the game industry (indie or AAA) don't know what they are talking about.

So that means, you need to pivot. And luckily I know a guy that's playing 8 bit Nintendo games...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=990ALGbfBM0

CelticPredator
Oct 11, 2013
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achillesforever6 posted:

Thinking back reminds me how Spill died

and korey hosed it into oblivion lmao.

Every time I peak back into double toasted its just as wack as I left it lol.

claw game handjob
Mar 27, 2007

pinch pinch scrape pinch
ow ow fuck it's caught
i'm bleeding
JESUS TURN IT OFF
WHY ARE YOU STILL SMILING

achillesforever6 posted:

Thinking back reminds me how Spill died

Oh poo poo, that was the name of that site I fell off of. What was the story there? Similar chain of handoffs into the trash?

Clip-On Fedora
Feb 20, 2011

Wait, there was another Gamergate??

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mycatscrimes
Jan 2, 2020

Clip-On Fedora posted:

Wait, there was another Gamergate??

The other gamergate
https://www.gamergate.com.au/

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