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Zack being a one man army never the less imperiled by the attentions of maybe 1 to 3 dozen shinra security grunts, especially given how Cloud just runs absolutely roughshod over them in Remake, was funny. I guess even Sephiroth isn't actually immune to getting domed in the back of the head while he's goofing off though. At least, the black cloaks aren't. Although those guys did to seem to actually survive the boat captain popping them with a rifle before they jenova'd. But bullets did kill Dyne... but he was fine enough after fighting Barret and crap loads of bullets are Barrets basic attack and go to DPS spender...
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Caidin posted:Zack being a one man army never the less imperiled by the attentions of maybe 1 to 3 dozen shinra security grunts, especially given how Cloud just runs absolutely roughshod over them in Remake, was funny. I guess even Sephiroth isn't actually immune to getting domed in the back of the head while he's goofing off though. At least, the black cloaks aren't. One must remember the power difference between Cutscene and Gameplay type bullets.
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Ardryn posted:One must remember the power difference between Cutscene and Gameplay type bullets. Barret got cutscene shot! A lot even. Scarlett had to get his hand like 4 times before he lost his grip on Dyne. Dunno if Boat Captain was loaded with cutscene bullets or mid fight cutscene bullets, might be a difference. Besides I was never actually convinced Barret is shooting real bullets, sometimes in Remake he can unload even when he clearly has his claw weapon attached. He's just directing vibes at people really hard.
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just finished the game multiverse stuff was kinda overwrought but more importantly the ending made me very very sad and i've still got tears in my eyes and I thought I was going to done like 4 hours ago and I should be asleep by now
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Still grappling with the absolute insanity of this game's soundtrack, making tracks like this just to use for a single side quest fight, because hell yeah https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpSkZqeAmj4
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Harrow posted:Still grappling with the absolute insanity of this game's soundtrack, making tracks like this just to use for a single side quest fight, because hell yeah Gus' theme and remixes are all-timers, IMO. There are so many little musical flourishes like that, I can only imagine they plan on re-using a bunch of it in part 3. e: all of the tracks in Zack's little pocket universe are some of my faves.
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triple sulk posted:oh my god What am I missing here?
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ImpAtom posted:What am I missing here? What could very well be the tear in the sky, because they sure as hell aren't in space
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triple sulk posted:What could very well be the tear in the sky, because they sure as hell aren't in space Oh! In the background. It does look similar, you're right.
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Something I'm thinking about today regarding the ending and the common "Cloud is seeing an alternate reality nobody he created that nobody else can see" interpretation: Why are people trusting Cloud's POV here? Cloud Strife. You know, the guy whose brain has been steadily melting for the whole game. The guy who's constantly seeing mako-, Jenova-, and Sephiroth-induced hallucinations. One of the most famous unreliable narrators in gaming. Y'know, that Cloud Strife.
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Harrow posted:Something I'm thinking about today regarding the ending and the common "Cloud is seeing an alternate reality nobody he created that nobody else can see" interpretation: It's possible Cloud is seeing something but I feel like the fact the dude hard-slams the black materia into his sword should make it clear that anything he sees is suspect.
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Harrow posted:Something I'm thinking about today regarding the ending and the common "Cloud is seeing an alternate reality nobody he created that nobody else can see" interpretation: Because "Cloud's just crazy" is something we already know to be true. So going "Cloud Aerith died and actually you're goo goo gaa gaa crazy" at the northern crater kind of fucks with the point of Cloud being crazy. It makes Sephiroth right. I repeat again, that Cloud's reconstruction only works because he really was at Nibelheim and the truth lay beyond what everyone perceived. Making it so "Nah actually Cloud's just crazy here." Kinda makes him fundamentally broken, how do you pick up the pieces from there "Oh yeah sucks you just were insane. Kinda weird how your insanity manifested in seeing a shattered sky that only people in other timelines could see btw." the issue I take with "Oh he's just crazy" is it's boring as poo poo. Nothing can be done with it, nothing is added or can blossom from it. It's the cheap out answer.
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Pollyanna posted:Slept on the ending and ehhhhhh yeah no I still don’t like it. Holy poo poo imagine being this wrong about so many things. Game ruled, sorry you don't like cool things. Edit: Think of things you liked. Expanding on avalanche and wutai is cool and good. Baby weapons appearing earlier to highlight how loving massive the main weapons will be in the northern crater. We expand the Gi and Nanaki's backstory. We are exploring Cait Sith more, we have Vincient and the turks clearly being expanded. Cid so far isn't beating his assistant so he has potential to be expanded and cool. Plus his tie to Aerith's mom is cool. Expanding on the Cloud psycosis rules since most people who played the original have no loving idea what was actually happening with Cloud. Anything with Zack rules and feeling otherwise is dumb and wrong. I just loving loved all of it. RC Cola fucked around with this message at 17:53 on Mar 15, 2024 |
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Harrow posted:Something I'm thinking about today regarding the ending and the common "Cloud is seeing an alternate reality nobody he created that nobody else can see" interpretation: There is a lot of weird going on here, just because Cloud is a injured psyche loosely glued together by his SOLDIERsona and doesn't know what his left hand is doing anymore does not mean he didn't get turned into a moogle and have multiple run ins with Greg. Sometimes it simply be like that, and I think Kingdom Hearts is one of them.
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I feel like Cloud turning into a moogle was the happiest moment of his entire life.
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CPFortest posted:You get the same flashback scene with Tifa mentioning Zack to Aerith regardless of whether you're with Tifa or Aerith at the Gold Saucer. For me Tifa works a little better since the finale is so Aerith heavy and the Sector 5 alternate universe scene largely does the same thing as the Gold Saucer bit, just more bittersweet than comedic. I got barret because he's my best bro. I guess I need to do those other dates to learn about my best girl tifa's aerith conversation
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Harrow posted:Something I'm thinking about today regarding the ending and the common "Cloud is seeing an alternate reality nobody he created that nobody else can see" interpretation: Well he saw the rift in the sky that was the same as the one from the universe that we saw when we were playing as Zack and then some version of Cloud and Aerith saw it as well. So it would be weird story wise for them to show it being the same as that but just be a figment of his imagination.
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ImpAtom posted:I feel like Cloud turning into a moogle was the happiest moment of his entire life. His highs have been very okay and his lows have been extremely distressing.
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All of the dates are pretty interesting. Yuffie's is the first place where it's really acknowledged that Yuffie knew Zack too. I'm kind of sad Yuffie and Aerith never got to have a conversation about that because it would have been hilarious.
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ImpAtom posted:Icicle Inn/Snowboarding Ancient forest expanded will give us typhon right? That's where you get it normally. Hell they can do a lot with a place called "ancient" forest
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RC Cola posted:Ancient forest expanded will give us typhon right? That's where you get it normally. Hell they can do a lot with a place called "ancient" forest Very possible. It depends on how they handle it. If they just give us Typhon I think it'd just be a Chadley arena fight, but if they make it a full goofy sidequest and include Ultros then it would make sense for it to be there.
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RC Cola posted:Holy poo poo imagine being this wrong about so many things. My dude, I’m specifically talking about the execution of the ending. Everything you brought up is under that other 90-95% I said was great.
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triple sulk posted:Yeah, of the game's flaws, I'd say that's definitely one of them. He's even there at the end to help open the path for Cloud. Why not go with them? I think its partly because we get playable cait, nanaki, and (if you didn't play dlc) yuffie. Lots of new movesets. Its not OG FF7 where you just choose actions. You have to learn these new characters. I think part of it is learning curve.
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ImpAtom posted:I think the glitchy fakeouts are necessary to show that not everyone is seeing what Cloud is seeing. Same. I cried harder at this version than I did at the original. Like you said earlier though, I spent way more time with her in this game. Plus the hope that she might live this time.
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I guess the difference with me is that others found that rugpull effective instead of cheap.
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RC Cola posted:Ancient forest expanded will give us typhon right? That's where you get it normally. Hell they can do a lot with a place called "ancient" forest After Gongaga I don't want to go anywhere near a remake of the ancient forest
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OH, another thing I haven't said, but this is the Empire Strike Back moment of despair and I love it. Punch me in the gut so I can reach new highs with my good friend Cid in spaceArdryn posted:After Gongaga I don't want to go anywhere near a remake of the ancient forest I disagree but also I get it. I loving love exploring open worlds, and my favorite games are collectathons. Square made the perfect game for RC Cola and no one else and I'm here for it Edit: So everyone is talking about how busted yuffie is. Why is she so busted? I generally like playing as Tifa and just doing plasma discharge and drop kicking fools over and over again with lightning exploding around me. Is it just access to the ninjitsu of each element? Besides using doppelganger to increase damage I clearly am not using her correctly Pollyanna posted:My dude, I’m specifically talking about the execution of the ending. Everything you brought up is under that other 90-95% I said was great. I retract what I said. I loved the ending and was super onboard for the fan service in the final fight. Finally caught up with the thread. On hard mode chapter 9 now. The platty is gonna suck. The 3d brawler for middle manager was tough. I assume sephiroth is worse? Also the 2 leg piano song I cannot get for some reason. I feel like it reads my inputs wrong. I have S's on the other 5 songs but can't get a loving A on this one RC Cola fucked around with this message at 18:45 on Mar 15, 2024 |
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Nucular Carmul posted:I have to admit I was team Cloud/Aerith before Rebirth but now I understand the truth. Her song during the Loveless performance was a pretty close mirror to Yuna's song in X-2. Basically singing in front of a huge crowd of people, but the one person both girls are actually singing TO are not there to hear it. I had to go take a fuckin walk after that and sort my thoughts. Rebirth has one clear agenda: breaking the clerith ship for good lol I feel like it's ambiguous whether it's about Cloud or Zack. Certainly the line about meeting again "at our place" indicates Cloud--she refers to the church as "our place" when you wake up in the other world right before the end
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Onmi posted:Because "Cloud's just crazy" is something we already know to be true. So going "Cloud Aerith died and actually you're goo goo gaa gaa crazy" at the northern crater kind of fucks with the point of Cloud being crazy. It makes Sephiroth right. I repeat again, that Cloud's reconstruction only works because he really was at Nibelheim and the truth lay beyond what everyone perceived. Making it so "Nah actually Cloud's just crazy here." Kinda makes him fundamentally broken, how do you pick up the pieces from there "Oh yeah sucks you just were insane. Kinda weird how your insanity manifested in seeing a shattered sky that only people in other timelines could see btw." I don't think it's just that Cloud's crazy. Red XIII reacts to Aerith's presence at the end as well--clearly there's something real there, and not just a hallucination. Same for the rift in the sky. I just think that doesn't necessarily means that he created a new timeline where Aerith survived. Aerith's actions after being stabbed just seem so... well, "I'm dead and I know it," for lack of a better description. Part of this is also based on what Marlene says to Zack: that if Aerith wakes up in their world, she will die, and that if Cloud is still sick, he can't save her. Both of those things happen (or don't happen): Aerith wakes up in the other world, and Cloud is still very, very sick at the end. If it was something like "he saved her but Sephiroth twisted the timeline" or "he saved her but the others outside the Whisper wall can't see that timeline" that wouldn't really line up, assuming we believe Marlene knows what she's talking about.
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I loved everything before and after the final boss fight but the fight itself felt even more like they just suddenly dropped a bombastic JRPG finale in the middle of the story than Remake’s final boss. Like, I’m not sure what fighting Bizarro Sephiroth even accomplished? Cloud going “Yep, let’s get going” afterwards was just a loving knife to the gut tho. The game almost made it seem like Cloud was actually getting better but nope, his mind really is just utterly broken at this point.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKUFXhnc9T8 You okay back there, Cloud?
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RC Cola posted:What is the best new song and why is it jenova Which of the two. I'm partial to the first one with the creepy vocals. The cave of the Gi has some really cool music for a place that you spend ten minutes in and can't revisit.
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RC Cola posted:What is the best new song and why is it jenova it’s actually the desert rush music I’m glad random metal songs have become a tradition in modern final fantasy games
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