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nine-gear crow posted:There was supposed to be a retrofitted Spacedock that had additional external docking spaces for big honking chonkers like the Galaxy-class, but I think it was either too expensive to alter the Spacedock model or they just didn't have time to do it for the episode, but there's concept art of it out there done by Andrew Probert. It wasn't so much "supposed to be" as it was Probert fighting as hard as he could to convince the producers not to just fly the -D through the space doors. The money for his proposal was never there. Even just setting up the existing Spacedock model to shoot new footage would almost certainly have been too much, let alone modifying it and believably compositing the Enterprise into docking with it.
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Remember when they reused the Captain's Log shot from TNG in Generations and even slapped a Captain's Log on it? And it looked like poo poo because they had to recolor it so much? Good times.
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CPColin posted:Remember when they reused the Captain's Log shot from TNG in Generations and even slapped a Captain's Log on it? And it looked like poo poo because they had to recolor it so much? Good times. No.
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Mar 15, 2024 21:57
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(sighing and firing up ffmpeg)
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I haven't thought off ffmpeg for so long I thought you were just posting tags for your fanfic
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Mar 15, 2024 22:12
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I have indeed accidentally spelled it wrong in that way and wondered why it wasn't working lol But it was just a typo! I swear!! No Enterprise fanfic here!!!
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Mar 15, 2024 22:14
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CPColin posted:Remember when they reused the Captain's Log shot from TNG in Generations and even slapped a Captain's Log on it? And it looked like poo poo because they had to recolor it so much? Good times. i don't think it got recolored so much as it just looked a bit off from the other shots because i think the model got touched up a bit for the new footage they shot, plus the film being seven years old and they may not have been as careful with recompositing from the original negatives
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CPColin posted:Remember when they reused the Captain's Log shot from TNG in Generations and even slapped a Captain's Log on it? And it looked like poo poo because they had to recolor it so much? Good times. lol I rewatched Generations last year and I noticed that too. "Holy poo poo, they just colour graded stock footage from the TV show!"
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It gets all blurry too! https://www.crappycomic.com/stuff/CaptainsArgh.mp4
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nine-gear crow posted:https://www.deviantart.com/somebuddyx/art/ENTERPRISE-D-ENTERING-EARTH-SPACEDOCK-806131398 The real reason saucer separation was designed. Park the Eng hull first, and then the saucer can go in diagonally and sideways like USPS trying to put a manila folder in your mailbox
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nine-gear crow posted:lol I rewatched Generations last year and I noticed that too. "Holy poo poo, they just colour graded stock footage from the TV show!" While they did colour shift it to try to match it to the new battleship-blue-grey paintjob in Generations, the reused shot in Generations is actually still closer to the original show-era model paintjob than what we saw on TNG, where they drained almost all the colour out of the hull pass during compositing (to the consternation of Probert). Photo during model build, but with the final paintjob:   That shot in Generations is the nearest we ever come to seeing the original Probert pale teal green+eggshell blue color scheme onscreen. For comparison, the new paintjob for generations with extra detailing:  CPColin posted:It gets all blurry too! And the escape pods are suddenly mysteriously just white squares instead of detailed. MikeJF fucked around with this message at 23:32 on Mar 15, 2024 |
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MikeJF posted:That shot in Generations is the nearest we ever come to seeing the original Probert pale teal green+eggshell blue color scheme onscreen. Ehh, there's a flyby in 11001001 which looks even closer than that Generations shot.
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Phy posted:The real reason saucer separation was designed. Park the Eng hull first, and then the saucer can go in diagonally and sideways like USPS trying to put a manila folder in your mailbox Just slot it in sideways with thrusters. It's shaped like a drat oval!
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Captain's log stardate 45891.2: Commander Data got the saucer stuck in Spacedock again so we are now waiting on an emergency supply of industrial lubricant from the USS Cerritos to restore the Enterprise to proper working order. In the meantime, inertial dampeners are still offline, so the crew is still adjusting to operating at a 45 degree angle.
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CPColin posted:It gets all blurry too! I remember seeing this shot in the cinema as a kid at the time and it being the first time I was consciously aware that film just fundamentally looked and felt different to TV. Sounds dumb for a then 8 year old SFX shot that was cheaply reused to save budget on a low budget franchise cash in movie , but I noticing that one thing planted a seed that ended up with me at film school 10 years later to try and learn the secret to why that same shot looked so much better. It turns out, the secret is, 35mm film is just really, really loving expensive.
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DavidCameronsPig posted:I remember seeing this shot in the cinema as a kid at the time and it being the first time I was consciously aware that film just fundamentally looked and felt different to TV. I remember also seeing it in the theatre as a kid and instantly pegging the Bird of Prey explosion from Undiscovered Country and going "Did they reuse the same effect in two different movies?  "
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DavidCameronsPig posted:It turns out, the secret is, 35mm film is just really, really loving expensive. Keep in mind that those miniature shots are not a single piece of film, either, but several camera passes that are then composited together. Which makes shots with multiple ships in frame even more impressive, because each of those ships are almost always filmed separately.
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I think the shot of the Enterprise-D docked at DS9 over Bajor was something like 20 layers.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AkkoKg5_bO0 This video featuring the Okudas does a great job explaining just how complex the special effects were for TNG as well as some other roads not taken, namely early CGI.
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I love the couple of times the enterprise is in a really dark place so they didn't use the full light pass and just had the illumination, it looked so pretty.
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Penitent posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AkkoKg5_bO0 Oh wow those loving Bablyon 5-esque CGI shots, holy poo poo. Bullet dodged there.
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The late 80's was not a great time for CGI. And yeah thank god we ended up with the beautiful model work we did instead of that.
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dr_rat posted:The late 80's was not a great time for CGI. And yeah thank god we ended up with the beautiful model work we did instead of that. Yeah, shows like B5 and Captain Power and the like have their charm, but if TNG had tried what they did, it wouldn't have made it to Yesterday's Enterprise, it'd be DOA in a second.
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Yeah. Although honestly, that final go at the Enterprise in CGI in 1987 is incredible for 1987.
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https://twitter.com/daveblass/status/1768860986558284076
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Der Kyhe posted:Its one of the things where Ronald Moore was right; Voyager should have aged, and ended up being a collection of things juryrigged, stolen and kept as a loot by the end of the show, with increasing number of crew being just random non-Federation species given varying degrees of non-com officer badges they designed because of O'Brien in DS9. Kind of like a small microcosm of the federation? So that after all the "we're on our own out here, no time for the prime directive"bullshit they realise that the way home relies on them embracing federation values? drat, that would have owned
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Voyager should’ve ended with the crew bored and miserable at a Welcome Home celebration with Starfleet brass and ambassadors, realizing they miss the adventure of truly exploring the uncharted. Then quietly excusing themselves one by one, they all sneak back to Voyager’s bridge, at which point they steal the ship and warp off to parts unknown.
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This was neat, and I had no idea they totally moved the bridge set between soundstages during the season 1-2 break.
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Big Mean Jerk posted:Voyager should’ve ended with the crew bored and miserable at a Welcome Home celebration with Starfleet brass and ambassadors, realizing they miss the adventure of truly exploring the uncharted. Then quietly excusing themselves one by one, they all sneak back to Voyager’s bridge, at which point they steal the ship and warp off to parts unknown. At the award ceremony the federation president is handing out medals, and when he puts one on Chakotay, Chakotay stabs him in the neck, killing him, and shouts "Long live the maqui!" He is teleported before security can do anything. The pilot of the ship that just picked him up... Michael Eddington!?!? I thought he died!
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John Wick of Dogs posted:At the award ceremony the federation president is handing out medals, and when he puts one on Chakotay, Chakotay stabs him in the neck, killing him, and shouts "Long live the maqui!" He is teleported before security can do anything. The pilot of the ship that just picked him up... Michael Eddington!?!? I thought he died! Get out of here Terry
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John Wick of Dogs posted:At the award ceremony the federation president is handing out medals, and when he puts one on Chakotay, Chakotay stabs him in the neck, killing him, and shouts "Long live the maqui!" He is teleported before security can do anything. The pilot of the ship that just picked him up... Michael Eddington!?!? I thought he died! It turns out he's back! In Borg form!
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Big Mean Jerk posted:Voyager should’ve ended with the crew bored and miserable at a Welcome Home celebration with Starfleet brass and ambassadors, realizing they miss the adventure of truly exploring the uncharted. Then quietly excusing themselves one by one, they all sneak back to Voyager’s bridge, at which point they steal the ship and warp off to parts unknown. Neelix: I knew you guys couldn't stay away forever. The Delta Quadrant has a certain allure for the adv-- Janeway: Fire torpedoes. Full complement. Tuvok: With pleasure.
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Big Mean Jerk posted:Voyager should’ve ended with the crew bored and miserable at a Welcome Home celebration with Starfleet brass and ambassadors, realizing they miss the adventure of truly exploring the uncharted. Then quietly excusing themselves one by one, they all sneak back to Voyager’s bridge, at which point they steal the ship and warp off to parts unknown. The Irresponsible Captain Janeway
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John Wick of Dogs posted:At the award ceremony the federation president is handing out medals, and when he puts one on Chakotay, Chakotay stabs him in the neck, killing him, and shouts "Long live the maqui!" He is teleported before security can do anything. The pilot of the ship that just picked him up... Michael Eddington!?!? I thought he died! This, but it is Seska who beams him out
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they should've unveiled a prototype ship running on cheese after all, why waste resources constructing gel packs when you can have bacteria do it for you
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It would have been cool if Seska had stuck around on the crew, it would have been a real good point of conflict and it's not like Janeway could complain given that she had snuck her own saboteur onto the Marquis ship. I guess we'll add that to the pile of things that could have been with Voyager.
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Doctor_Fruitbat posted:Somehow, Michael Eddington returned. Sisko: I can fix that 
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Both Seska and Lon Suder should have survived until season 7, Seska as the recurring foil who keeps somehow staying in the same area as Voyager despite constant 10,000 light years transports, or she dies multiple times but each time they do their time travel episodes she escapes the past to live again. Heck, have one Seska be good but is murdered by another Seska. Use Lon Suder as the guy they pull out to do the crazy commando missions once a season and has a Rambo-style crisis because he's now a man of peace (until someone dies). At least one episode he saves the day by not killing anyone, another he helps Tuvok who has reverted to violence like Tuvok helped him, one episode Tuvok notices all the plants Suder is growing are either carnivorous or poisonous
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