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90sgamer posted:Why? These writers and artists are well known quantities at this point and they have outlined their vision pretty clearly at least for the first six months. The visions of what amounts to less than a solicit blurb and then six other books we know nothing about? If you can't understand that saying "This is worse than One More Day" going off the information we have is like a comical exaggeration someone would use to make fun of a negative reaction to the relaunch then I can't help you
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OMD is not BND. The comparison was fine.
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Harold Fjord posted:OMD is not BND. The comparison was fine. OMD is the comparison being used. A back-to-basics X-Men relaunch that no one has read with solid-to-good creative teams is worse than the most hated comic of all time Again, literally a joke someone would make like "this is worse than that comic where Doctor Doom cried at 9/11".
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The fact that some of the later stories ended up being pretty good didn't change how much the entire transition was garbage
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Great, now the Spider-Man Zealots have shown up.
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Harold Fjord posted:The fact that some of the later stories ended up being pretty good didn't change how much the entire transition was garbage I literally just called OMD "the worst comic of all time" which I think makes it pretty clear I agree with this sentiment, yes It's also, again, a stupid comparison point to make with comics that aren't only aren't out yet but ones we know nothing about than a less-than-a-paragraph blurb and some cover art.
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this new launch is uh uhhh the avengers 200 of x-men
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Open Marriage Night posted:And Magik teaming with Juggernaut sounds dangerous. Oh God, I just thought about their version of the fastball special.
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Juggernaut running through strategic portals is some pro strats, but you also get to play with their magical connections, and that she was the one that convinced Cyttorak to take away the Juggernaut powers from Cain during Fear Itself. And I’m still holding out hope Ugly John shows up in X-Men.
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The fact that the current era is seemingly going to end with the bigots winning and getting rid of Krakoa once and for all is really smothering my enthusiasm for the rest of FoX, much less anything that comes after.
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90sgamer posted:Why? These writers and artists are well known quantities at this point and they have outlined their vision pretty clearly at least for the first six months. homeboy that sounds way worse than every single one of the blurbs we do know
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Open Marriage Night posted:Juggernaut running through strategic portals is some pro strats, but you also get to play with their magical connections, and that she was the one that convinced Cyttorak to take away the Juggernaut powers from Cain during Fear Itself. I'm thinking, maybe the "unstoppable" thing might mean he has no terminal velocity, and her portals can manipulate time, so he could spend however long falling while still building momentum and then instantly get shot out like a rail gun at anything.
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BrianWilly posted:The fact that the current era is seemingly going to end with the bigots winning and getting rid of Krakoa once and for all is really smothering my enthusiasm for the rest of FoX, much less anything that comes after. It sounds like Orchis is going to be destroyed. Feilong, and MODOK have already abandoned Orchis, Traveler was kicked out, Gregor and Statis are dead. Only Devo and the Robots are left for the leadership.
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i can't believe the thing that was set up from day 1 to be an insanely top-heavy unstable powderkeg who's leaders constantly made the worst choices possible for who to trust and who to put in positions of power is over. this is a win for Bigotry.
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BrianWilly posted:The fact that the current era is seemingly going to end with the bigots winning and getting rid of Krakoa once and for all is really smothering my enthusiasm for the rest of FoX, much less anything that comes after. I've glad we've moved onto "the bigots win" so we can try and justify not liking a relaunch from a moral standpoint too because regular ol disinterest wasn't enough. I get people not being interested (granted I think anyone who didn't forsee that a wild swing like the Krakoa era would be followed with a back-to-basics relaunch has bad pattern recognition skills; if that's not what you want then that's fine) but the sheer hyperbole being thrown around completely seriously in this thread is baffling. Blockhouse fucked around with this message at 08:17 on Mar 16, 2024 |
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im really bummed because Krakoa was a really neat sci fi setting. hopefully not all of it is swept away.
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People really getting worked up with me describing the literal plot of the story here. Like, Marvel releases a bunch of promos letting us know what's gonna happen (Krakoa gone) and y'all keep going nooo we don't actually know anything, dont judge the the stuff they put out for us to judge!MonsterEnvy posted:It sounds like Orchis is going to be destroyed. Feilong, and MODOK have already abandoned Orchis, Traveler was kicked out, Gregor and Statis are dead. Only Devo and the Robots are left for the leadership. Alaois posted:i can't believe the thing that was set up from day 1 to be an insanely top-heavy unstable powderkeg who's leaders constantly made the worst choices possible for who to trust and who to put in positions of power is over. this is a win for Bigotry. Okay great, so then the conclusion should be for them to replace those bad actors, not for the system itself to collapse. Which is what the stories were hinting towards, to replace the Quiet Council with actual elected leadership, because there were plenty of good actors, who did have the best intentions for Krakoa in mind, who could absolutely do the job of Sinister or Xavier or Beast. And I'd argue that seeing the dream of mutant solidarity be improved upon -- or even replaced with a better version entirely -- would be a far more satisfying path for these comics, one that is far less a betrayal of Krakoa's premise that they'd asked us to buy into for the past five years. Because what's actually happening here isn't that we're replacing Krakoa with some better concept, or even that Krakoa is collapsing under the weight of its flawed ideals or corrupt leadership or anything like that. No, what's happening is simply that a bunch of bigots got together with bunch of big explodey machines and blew the place up so good that it won't return. That's it. Don't blame me for summarizing the plot. And "everything we built up is going away, the bad guys got what they wanted and the good guys are back to square one" is an incredibly unsatisfying way to resolve this era of stories, not to mention a lovely way to get anyone to be excited for anything coming next. You can say "that's just how comic books are," to which I'd say that's bad, yo. It's bad that comics are this way. Again, what are we replacing it with? What's the tasty carrot they're dangling that's worth exchanging Krakoa for? Mutants in hiding again, X-Men as emergency service, and Kate so depressed she went into retail. Really? That just tells me they don't have any ideas for anything better, they just wanna blow up any ideas that anyone does have in order to get back to the same old misery porn that Krakoa was a direct response to. Maybe the remaining six books they haven't announced yet will alleviate this, maybe they'll reveal that Jean took Krakoa in a big egg somewhere off in Shi'ar space where it'll wait to return, whatever. Until then, I'm working with the info we do have that makes this all sound rather regressive and generic. BrianWilly fucked around with this message at 10:04 on Mar 16, 2024 |
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Didn't they have that island outpost in Shi'ar space anyway? Or did that get blown up after I stopped being able to pick up local comix
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you can keep using the word "regressive" to make this sound like some kind of grave social justice issue but nobody is going to care lol
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Uhh I meant like, "narratively regressive" as in "we've done this story before" regressive. Y'know, like what I've been saying. Interesting your mind went there immediately but aiight
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I think the main thing making people histrionic about the end of Krakoa is that, as far as line-wide status quo changes, it genuinely was pretty remarkable. We had a genuinely bold new direction with interesting new concepts, a number of books by powerhouse creators, doing poo poo with a 50~60 year old franchise that had never been done before. It wasn't all golden (X-Corp, Fallen Angels) but it was definitely the most alive the X-Men had felt in a long time. Part of that is because it was coming on the heels of the dismal period where corporate was pushing the Inhumans as a potential rival group, but even removed from that, we had books from a murderer's row of talent (Hickman, Ewing, and Gillen being the standouts, but also folks like Duggan and Percy). Morrison's New X-Men, for all it's creativity, was one book and didn't really reflect a wide-line revitalization. How often does that actually happen with comics? poo poo is always being rebooted in one way or another, whether it's actually resetting continuity or just a new creator taking over, but this was an entire family of books developing a hot streak after a dormant period. Had that ever actually happened before??? The closest thing I can think of is maybe the Brubaker/Rucka period of Batman books at DC. I'm keeping an open mind about the new books but between the kind of slipshod conclusion to the Krakoa story and the less-than-ambitious seeming new premise, I can understand why people are acting out a little. The hot streak is over, and only time will tell if things are going to even be warm in the near future.
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BrianWilly posted:Uhh I meant like, "narratively regressive" as in "we've done this story before" regressive. Y'know, like what I've been saying. dog you're the one who is saying that Bigotry Has Won
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Yeah bro and you missed my meaning so badly that you thought this was about cancel culture or something, but I won't dwell on that if you don't! The bigots, within this story, are going to win. That's the plot as we know it, and it's annoying to read stories about the bigots winning, so if that's the status quo that the X-Men keep returning to then I simply won't be reading. Simple as that. Now, whether this story about the bigots winning is outright offensive -- as if it's somehow glorifying bigotry in some way -- is a whole other matter that no one can speak on without the story being fully done because we have reading comprehension and understand that depiction isn't endorsement, but as long as they don't end up suggesting at the eleventh hour that Orchis was somehow correct all along and that they were right to end Krakoa 'cuz those mutants were getting too uppity or whatever, I think we're probably in the clear. Probably. I mean, if I wanted to talk about something from the relaunch that's actually regressive on an actual offensive level, I'd be talking about what they're about to do to Storm 
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Remember when people were arguing HOXPOX made the X-Men mutant supremacists? Good times.
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danbanana posted:Remember when people were arguing HOXPOX made the X-Men mutant supremacists? A lot of people still feel this way apparently lol
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OnimaruXLR posted:I think the main thing making people histrionic about the end of Krakoa is that, as far as line-wide status quo changes, it genuinely was pretty remarkable. We had a genuinely bold new direction with interesting new concepts, a number of books by powerhouse creators, doing poo poo with a 50~60 year old franchise that had never been done before. Yeah, my thoughts exactly. the whole 'Cyclops is now a runaway mutant revolutionary and Logan is the cool-headed adult in the room' piqued my interest 10 years back, but not enough to hook me back into reading. And looking back, even that seemed to be the motivating factor for another step backwards: Um, here's the time-traveling original X-men as kids for some reason! Fun concept, middling execution, not much meat in the end. The Krakoan era had both the return of a ton of old character and legitimate fun attempts at doing cool things on all fronts of the setting. Space, Otherworld, the heroing community, the court of public opinion. X-factor was a cool-sounding name looking for an actual good team and motive since its inception and finally found a great stride; it being cut short was maybe a prelude to what happened to the line in general. Hellions was likely the best attempt at 'Let's team up some villains and anti-heroes and see what happens' I have read. Marauders had a great combo of fun adventure romps and character drama. Sins of Sinister makes the old Age of apocalypse fare look like amateur stuff. And Immortal X-men hit the mark far more often than not, until it got tugged into winding down for the next change. Sure, Children of the Atom was supremely unimpressive and Wolverine is just there, but there's peas in every buffet. I fully expect at least one of the new books to be good, possibly even very good. I doubt it will bring us anything as memorable as Sinister save-scumming reality and having his new serum grow teeth on his, um, exhaust pipe.
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Blockhouse posted:Oh my God can we at least wait until the books are out before we start saying wild poo poo like this ALWAYS doompost my dude, that way if things turn out good you can be pleasantly surprised! And if it turns out trash like you think you get to be insufferably smug about being right! IT'S A WIN-WIN BABY
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there's still a mutant nation of krakoa out there, and it doesn't look like it will be returning to earth during fall of x. it will eventually return in a likely terrible event book where all of its inhabitants are now evil. even egg. especially egg.
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Thought you were talking about Nanny, but then I remembered Goldballs goes by Egg these days. I just need to know if the new era will be as gay as this one. I never expected to be so invested in Mystique and Destiny. And apparently Claremont was trying to set up Rachel and Betsy in the 2000’s.
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Synthbuttrange posted:im really bummed because Krakoa was a really neat sci fi setting. I am not ready to say goodbye to Krakoa. I absolutely loved it, and it got me back into comics. Perfect mix of high concept scifi and light politics. On the other hand, its also nice to have an ending. Gillens killing it in that regard. I'll stay optimistic and read the first few issues of the next stuff but so far it looks similar to the boring stuff before Krakoa.
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i had mixed feelings about krakoa but i would hope the follow up at least deals with whatever emotional fall out comes after. kitty pryde trying to become a barista probably isn't it
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OnimaruXLR posted:we had books from a murderer's row of talent (Hickman, Ewing, and Gillen being the standouts, but also folks like Duggan and Percy). I'm not looking forward to the spate of Krakoa poetmortems that downplay or just outright omit Williams, Ayala, and Howard.
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Krakoa made us believe Zeb Wells was a great writer. Then Spider-Man happened. Leah Williams, both X-Factor and X-Terminators, were a highlight.
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Saoshyant posted:Krakoa made us believe Zeb Wells was a great writer. I am reading X-Factor right now. Williams managed to shove a ton of story into each issue. Feels like I've read 2-3 issues worth each time, but in a good way.
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Veg posted:I am reading X-Factor right now. Williams managed to shove a ton of story into each issue. Feels like I've read 2-3 issues worth each time, but in a good way. X-Factor was too pure for this world.
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Dawgstar posted:X-Factor was too pure for this world. I'd only put Hellions above it, and most of that was because Hellions made me like a bunch of characters I used to loving hate, X-Factor was characters I liked or was neutral about.
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