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bunnyofdoom posted:Since not in OP but are ROH wrestling in front of me, who are Queen Amanita and Red Velvet and who should I cheer? Low/mid card on the women's division. Both are good wrestlers. Red Velvet has made huge steps in improvement from when she was Barndi Rhode's protege. fez_machine fucked around with this message at 01:29 on Mar 17, 2024 |
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bunnyofdoom posted:Since not in OP but are ROH wrestling in front of me, who are Queen Amanita and Red Velvet and who should I cheer? In short, they're both in roughly the same position: a lower-card wrestler in the women's division who's mostly getting experience until they're ready to move to a more notable position, which they're both now on the cusp of. Queen Amanita is from Guinea and is a relatively new hire, Red Velvet's father and uncle were both notable Columbian boxers and has been in AEW for a while now, they're both solid wrestlers. They're both also faces, unless a lot happened on ROH that I haven't heard about, so just cheer whichever one did something cool last.
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I dunno which tag team wears yellow pants and their manager a blue suit but he went for cheap heat here that requires local knowledge so good for them for doing the research
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bunnyofdoom posted:I dunno which tag team wears yellow pants and their manager a blue suit but he went for cheap heat here that requires local knowledge so good for them for doing the research that certainly sounds like Mark Sterling managing Josh Woods and Tony Nese
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Barry Bluejeans posted:that certainly sounds like Mark Sterling managing Josh Woods and Tony Nese That's who they were! Thanks! (For the context, Sterling made a comment about how when he heard they were going to the capital of Canada he thought he was going to Toronto. We gave a bit of a thing about that)
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Ziggy Tzardust posted:Congrats on this being your first wrestling show. Danielson/Shibata might have you asking the question “do these guys know it’s fake?”  Goddamned you were not kidding
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bunnyofdoom posted:
You are so, so lucky to have seen that match live!
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Lurks With Wolves posted:In short, they're both in roughly the same position: a lower-card wrestler in the women's division who's mostly getting experience until they're ready to move to a more notable position, which they're both now on the cusp of. Queen Amanita is from Guinea and is a relatively new hire, Red Velvet's father and uncle were both notable Columbian boxers and has been in AEW for a while now, they're both solid wrestlers. They're both also faces, unless a lot happened on ROH that I haven't heard about, so just cheer whichever one did something cool last. Aminata also has the bittersweet story about her never getting to tell her dad she was signed to AEW as a full-time wrestler, but after he passed, she got his cell phone from her brother (as she was the oldest)... and discovered it had multiple pictures of her as a wrestler from her time in Japan. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mlv81ZdZJAo
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Jerusalem posted:You are so, so lucky to have seen that match live! Hands down my favourite match of the night. Favourite moment was them teaming up to defend including Shibata with the chair
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I'm glad you had such a good time and it's cool that this thread helped! 
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Red Velvet rules because she beats the loving poo poo outta people while being too small to actually run the ropes
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Prokhor Zakharov posted:Red Velvet rules because she beats the loving poo poo outta people while being too small to actually run the ropes also see Riho
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Shard posted:also see Riho aew's gotta give riho the unstoppable monster push already.
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Nea posted:aew's gotta give riho the unstoppable monster push already. This would require her existing for more than 3 weeks out of the year.
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truly the Brigadoon of professional wrestlers
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Nea posted:aew's gotta give riho the unstoppable monster push already. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z1KtDyMwscw&t=194s
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Thank you Gavok, this is incredibly useful as someone jumping back in again.
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Just wanna say that goddamn Orange Cassidy is my favorite wrestler of all time. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQ6yZYZX1A0 Edit: also has PERFECT comic timing Remulak fucked around with this message at 23:04 on Mar 24, 2024 |
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Remulak posted:Just wanna say that goddamn Orange Cassidy is my favorite wrestler of all time. oh my god imagine him doing this to Pac and Pac just blowing a gasket
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Good op, but suggest a small write up for Mikey Ruckus, the second coming of Jim Johnston.
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Remulak posted:Just wanna say that goddamn Orange Cassidy is my favorite wrestler of all time. what was this?
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ded posted:what was this? It was garbage. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Thanks for the history and thread. Great effort post.
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I feel like this should go itt somewhereGavok posted:Hey, remember in the last thread that I said I was writing a listicle about AEW's best storylines? Here's the listicle about AEW's best storylines.
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I still had cable in 2020 and randomly changed the channels into this match: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mp8aOgTMX9k Great intro to AEW. I had remembered it was Legos though.
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Remulak posted:I still had cable in 2020 and randomly changed the channels into this match: AEW is the only promotion where commentary has uttered the words "What a stiff shot with the Silmarillion!!"
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Prokhor Zakharov posted:AEW is the only promotion where commentary has uttered the words "What a stiff shot with the Silmarillion!!" That has to be Excalibur commentary
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harperdc posted:That has to be Excalibur commentary I mean yes but it also was, quite literally, a stiff shot to the head with a copy of the Silmarillion
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Remulak posted:I still had cable in 2020 and randomly changed the channels into this match: There was a match with a lego spot, Arcade Anarchy I think?
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As of this writing, Saturday is the 5 year anniversary of AEW’s first show, Double or Nothing 2019. I wanted to write a big thing about it and I figured this thread was the right place. So I thought I would talk about the 50 Best AEW PPV Matches, as well as the 20 Worst AEW PPV Matches. Well, more like 22 (OH MAN! GOLDBERG!) because there’s a three-way tie for #20. See, I’m using the ratings from Cagematch, the IMDB of wrestling, for this. I didn’t want to just base it on my own opinions or even just the opinions of this forum. The MOTYC post earlier in the thread does that already and is overstuffed as is. I figured Cagematch was the right kind of community poll. Also, I’m including pre-show matches. Before I get to the worst matches, I should note the special matches that are disqualified, as Cagematch refuses to allow them ratings to begin with. These are either because someone in the match is so obscure that they don’t have a profile on the site or that the match goes under five minutes, and barely counts to begin with. Some of them would probably be on the worst list otherwise or at least interesting enough to mention. 21 Man Casino Battle Royale (Double or Nothing 2019) The very first match on AEW was a Casino Battle Royale and it was a mess. When your show is about introducing talent to wrestling fans, having them all come out in droves while giving only one a spotlight is a bad idea. The reliance of novelty wrestlers didn’t help it. It’s also why this isn’t rated, as legless wrestler Dustin Thomas was involved and he doesn’t have a Cagematch profile. He got twelfth place. Michael Nakazawa vs. Alex Jebailey (Fyter Fest 2019) Another pre-show match, this one was a sloppy comedy hardcore match between oily jobber Michael Nakazawa and Alex Jebailey. Jebailey is the head honcho of CEO, the fighting game tournament event that hosted Fyter Fest. He’s also playable in the fighting game Divekick! Too bad he doesn’t have a Cagematch profile. Dustin Rhodes vs. Shawn Spears (Double or Nothing 2020) Now we’re getting into the short matches. The idea here was that Dustin Rhodes got his rear end horribly kicked in a match against Lance Archer in order to build to Archer’s match with Cody at the PPV. Shawn Spears challenged Dustin to a match, figuring he was too hurt to even show up, or at least retired out of disgrace. Spears wasn’t even dressed to wrestle. Dustin appeared anyway and kicked the poo poo out of him. People thought it was dumb, culminating in a bizarre spot where he stripped Spears down to his underwear, which had a picture of Tully Blanchard (Spears’ manager)’s head over the crotch. Paul Wight vs. QT Marshall (All Out 2021) There was a time when AEW was intending to give us plenty of Big Show matches. Paul Wight had a handful of squashes that was supposed to lead to a feud against Billy Gunn and his sons, but never got there due to some injuries he was dealing with. His first match was against AEW’s Level 1 Subboss QT Marshall, who lost in about three minutes. Hook vs. QT Marshall (Revolution 2022) Hook vs. Angelo Parker (All Out 2022) It took a long time for Hook to go from quiet dude in the background of Team Taz matches to actually wrestling. The guy definitely had the It Factor and the potential, but they didn’t want to overexpose or overpush. Instead, they gave him a bit of a Goldberg run that soon had him winning the FTW Championship. QT Marshall and Angelo Parker were two of his early victims, slightly higher profile than his usual fodder. Both of these matches happened on the pre-show. Jade Cargill vs. Athena (All Out 2022) This one is a headscratcher. Most of the matches on this list make sense, but this is the only Jade Cargill PPV match that doesn’t make it five minutes, and it was up against one of the opponents she probably should have dropped the title to. At the very least, it should have gone on longer than this! Athena’s been ruling Ring of Honor since this loss, making this such a weird victory for Jade. Christian Cage vs. Jungle Boy (All Out 2022) Yes, there were three short matches on this show. At least there was a good reason for this one. After a lengthy setup, Christian turned on Jungle Boy and they had some real heat going for it. As they were going for a singles match, Christian was injured and was going to need a lot of time off. It just felt too early to have Jungle Boy get his revenge, so Luchasaurus hosed him up, allowing Christian to get an easy squash win. That way, he could continue to taunt Jungle Boy while being in no condition for a rematch, stretching things out to a more cathartic final battle. Toni Storm vs. Jamie Hayter (Double or Nothing 2023) Jamie Hayter was AEW Women’s Champion, but she was in really bad shape, physically. So bad that she still has shown no signs of a return. Toni Storm destroyed her in three minutes to write her off TV and move on. Kris Statlander vs. Jade Cargill (Double or Nothing 2023) At the same show, Jade Cargill had a match with Taya Valkyrie where she once again retained the TBS Championship. She offered to do another match afterwards, as was her deal at the time, and a returning Kris Statlander thankfully arrived to finally dethrone her. Statlander was meant to do this for a long time, but was sidelined with a knee injury and Tony Khan was dead set on not changing his plans. Tom Lawlor vs. Serpentico (Forbidden Door 2023) A last-minute crossover match was announced as Tom Lawlor vs. Adam Cole. On the day of the show, Adam Cole was unable to compete due to the flu, so the match was scrapped. Instead, Lawlor beat go-to jobber Serpentico on the pre-show. I’m guessing we won’t get that Cole/Lawlor match this year either. Luchasaurus vs. Nick Wayne (WrestleDream 2023) This one came close to hitting five minutes, but it’s just as well. As a face, Nick’s deal was that he was good enough for his age to be on the roster, but still had a long way to go. He was up against Luchasaurus, a monster heel who was supposed to only be beatable by someone who was at least upper-midcard level. Nick had no chance but could at least get some licks in. Christian Cage vs. Adam Copeland (World’s End 2023) I’m going to hold off on explaining this one, as it relates to a match that’s on the worst list AND a match that’s on the best list. But it did last only 12 seconds, making it one of the quickest matches in AEW history. As far as I can tell, the actual quickest match in AEW history is Ricky Starks beating KC Navarro in five seconds on a random episode of Dark. Now for the Worst AEW PPV Matches. Again, there’s a three-way tie for #20. 20) AEW TNT Title Right to Challenge Anytime, Anywhere Battle Royal (Worlds End 2023) 4.37 I’m a guy who loves a good battle royal, but this one was rough and badly thrown-together. The winner would get a free “Money in the Bank” title shot for the TNT Championship, and Luchasaurus was the only viable winner of the group. The rest were a bunch of Rampage midcarders at best. Trent and Danhausen were the runners up, to give you an idea of how pointless this one felt. 20) Powerhouse Hobbs vs. Ricky Starks (All Out 2022) 4.37 In a show with THREE matches that went under five minutes, we got a bout between a split-up tag team where each guy has spent an entire AEW career of start-stop pushes. This is no different, as Powerhouse Hobbs ran through his former partner, making the whole breakup feel anticlimactic. Sure, Ricky would get his win back, but this match did him no favors. 20) Dr. Britt Baker DMD vs. Thunder Rosa (Revolution 2022) 4.37 As AEW Women’s Champion, Britt Baker’s reign got tired. Really, really, really tired. Her ringwork was not all that good to begin with and the constant interference to retain was grating on everyone’s nerves. Thunder Rosa was the right choice to beat her for the title, but they decided to hold off on it. Britt won at the PPV via bullshit, and Thunder got her big win on a later episode of Dynamite in a steel cage. At least that was a good one! 19) Kris Statlander vs. Penelope Ford (Double or Nothing 2020) 4.35 I have zero memory of this match, but apparently it was a last-minute change. It was supposed to be Statlander vs. Britt Baker, but Britt was injured. 18) Billy Gunn and the Acclaimed vs. Jay Lethal, Jeff Jarrett, and Satnam Singh (All Out 2023) 4.34 There was a lot working against this one. Billy Gunn is limited at best these days. Satnam Singh has the same problem, but worse. Dennis Rodman was in the Acclaimed’s corner and had no idea what he was supposed to be doing. Part of the match involved referee Aubrey Edwards’s rivalry with Karen Jarrett. The whole thing was garbage. 17) Jake Hager vs. Dustin Rhodes (Revolution 2020) 4.34 Jake Hager’s capable of fun stuff and Dustin Rhodes still has a spark, but the two had bad chemistry together. Adding to it was an unfortunate spot where Dustin, the good guy, grabbed Hager’s wife in the crowd and forced a kiss on her face. Just a bad use of PPV real estate. 16) Swerve Strickland vs. Dustin Rhodes (Worlds End 2023) 4.31 This wasn’t really that bad of a match, but it was made from such a string of bad luck and questionable decisions that I get why it’s so low-rated. Swerve had finished with his Hangman feud, at least for the moment, and was reviving his longtime feud with former tag partner Keith Lee. A feud that never led to a singles match and instead just meandered and faded away before there could be a resolution. On the day of the PPV, Keith Lee announced that he was too injured to make the match. Instead, Swerve took on Keith’s occasional tag partner Dustin Rhodes. This could have been a fine save, and it was promising when Swerve jumped Dustin before the bell and messed him up. After the vicious beatdown, the match happened and Dustin was able to competitively wrestle for over nine minutes. Not the best way to make Swerve look strong, considering he was on the way to a main event run.
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Continuing with the worst of AEW PPV matches. 15) Bang Bang Scissor Gang vs. Jay Lethal, Jeff Jarrett, Private Party, Satnam Singh, and Willie Mack (Revolution 2024) - 4.26 In the aftermath of the reveal of Adam Cole as the Devil and the creation of the Undisputed Kingdom, the Acclaimed and Bullet Club Gold decided to join forces. Rather than, I don’t know, get revenge on the guys who beat them up during the Devil storyline, they just...had inflated tag matches. The whole thing felt directionless, and doing one of these matches on a PPV pre-show without doing any actual storyline developments made the whole thing feel even more frustrating. Thank God they finally did something in the aftermath. 14) Cody Rhodes vs. Anthony Ogogo (Double or Nothing 2021) - 4.08 In a sense, it’s kind of an important match to wrestling history. Cody ran a feud against QT Marshall’s protégé Anthony Ogogo, who was treated as a liver-destroying punching machine in the lead-up. Cody looked like a total dork going into the match due to his own narcissistic excesses and when it was time to wrestle, Cody went over in what was a very ho-hum match at best. Nobody in the storyline came out of it looking any better and the crowd’s exhaustion with Cody started to really kick in. 13) Chris Jericho vs. Hook (Dynasty 2024) - 3.87 Speaking of the crowd getting exhausted with a wrestler, here’s a Chris Jericho match. This one isn’t really that bad but was overshadowed by an otherwise amazing show. The two had a decent plunder match, but Jericho hadn’t won people over yet with his new personality and nobody wanted him holding the FTW Championship, so it wasn’t a very popular match. 12) Joey Janela vs Serpentico (All Out 2020) - 3.83 I don’t really remember this one. It was a pre-show match that was thrown on for the sake of having a pre-show match. Apparently, it just felt like a random Dark match and the two didn’t have much chemistry. 11) Sonny Kiss vs. Peter Avalon (Fight for the Fallen 2019) – 3.74 The whole show was made of matches that were just thrown together, so this pre-show one felt like a big shrug. Especially as Peter Avalon’s Librarian gimmick just wasn’t catching the heel heat flames they were hoping for. Nobody cared going into it and they didn’t give us much of a reason to care when it was happening. 10) Jade Cargill vs. Nyla Rose (Full Gear 2022) - 3.68 Jade was capable of having a decent outing as long as she had the right opponent, which usually meant someone who was small and could work around her flaws. Putting her in a hoss fight with Nyla Rose was something that sounded good on paper, but came off as clunky in practice. Both were capable of much better. 9) Adam Cole vs. Chris Jericho (3.57) Despite having some solid build-up for this match, including a great Falls Count Anywhere Match between Jericho and Roderick Strong, this match was shockingly awful. It was slow, heatless, uncoordinated, and went on for nearly 20 goddamn minutes. The only thing it had going for it was Sabu’s role as ringside enforcer. That Cole was able to recover in the months that followed and main event AEW’s biggest show ever is an honest miracle. 8) Nyla Rose vs. Kris Statlander (Revolution 2020) - 3.52 Following after one of the all-time best and most exciting matches in AEW history, Nyla Rose and Kris Statlander could not win over the tired crowd. The two had a very off night, giving a botchy performance that fell completely flat. 7) Chris Jericho, Darby Allin, Sammy Guevara, and Sting vs. Big Bill, Ricky Starks, Konosuke Takeshita, and Powerhouse Hobbs (Worlds End 2023) - 3.49 This one was doomed long before the bell rang. An online feud between Chris Jericho and internet reporter/Punk’s lackey Nick Hausman led to Hausman making vague claims that likened Jericho to Harvey Weinstein. This caused some rumors of gross behavior from yesteryear resurface hours before the PPV itself. The crowd was insanely anti-Jericho and booed everything he was involved in, completely throwing off the match itself. It was a mess and I’d say that Sting deserved better, but this was pretty much his punishment for insisting they hire Ric Flair for his retirement run. 6) Jade Cargill vs. Anna Jay (Double or Nothing 2022) – 3.44 This could have been fine, but not only did the two seem lost, but the whole thing was overbooked thanks to their respective entourages. A messy bout with a killer ending, immediately overshadowed by the debut of Athena. 5) Julia Hart vs. Abadon (Worlds End 2023) – 3.24 This came right after Swerve vs. Dustin and the Jericho 8-man tag, so this was probably the worst string of matches in AEW history. While the match made sense (hence the “THIS IS SPOOKY!” chant to begin the match), the two couldn’t make anything out of their 12 minutes of wrestling. It dragged and the only memorable moment was how bad Julia’s moonsault finish was at the very end. 4) Allie vs. Leva Bates (Fyter Fest 2019) – 2.52 3) Brandi Rhodes vs. Allie (Fight for the Fallen 2019) – 2.15 Poor, poor Allie. She was better than this, but she was unfortunately thrown into matches with two of the worst women’s performers in the promotion’s history (I seem to remember a woman who never escaped Dark who was worse, but I forget her name). Leva had little right to be featured on a PPV other than AEW’s tiny women’s roster at the time. Brandi at least had the novelty of Awesome Kong being in her corner and interfering on her behalf, which didn’t make the match any good, but at least it added some kind of flavor. 2) Big Swole vs. Dr. Britt Baker DMD (All Out 2020) – 1.91 In a time when cinematic matches were becoming a big thing, this was one of the worst examples of the medium. Big Swole and Britt Baker would have a pre-filmed brawl in Britt’s dentist office, which just did not work. The idea was there, but it just was not the right location for a good brawl sequence and these two performers were not able to spin any gold out of it. It also hurt because initially this was supposed to be a silly thing to put on the pre-show, but there was enough criticism about having only one match on the main show, so they used it as the main show’s opener. But hey, it’s not the WORST match of All Out 2020. 1) Matt Hardy vs. Sammy Guevara (All Out 2020) – 0.54 Matt Hardy and Sammy Guevara took part in a Broken Rules Match where if Matt lost, he would have to retire. Within moments, the two took a nasty bump from a great height that concussed the bejeezus out of Matt. Obviously out of it, Matt refused to end the match, and they continued with it because...I guess he’d have to retire if they just ended it there! Whatever the reason, it was a gigantic black mark on AEW’s production. The two brawled into setting up the final spot to finish the thing off and everyone was disgusted that it even reached that point. Anyway! Up next, we’ll start with the 50 Best AEW PPV Matches.
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Gavok posted:7) Chris Jericho, Darby Allin, Sammy Guevara, and Sting vs. Big Bill, Ricky Starks, Konosuke Takeshita, and Powerhouse Hobbs (Worlds End 2023) - 3.49 Ouch. Tough, but fair. Gavok posted:4) Allie vs. Leva Bates (Fyter Fest 2019) – 2.52 A match so bad/forgettable it didn't even get a write-up 
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I thought the Nakazawa pre show match at the first Fyter Fest was much better than Allie vs Leva Bates. I do miss Allie though.
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I actually marked out for Leva Bates. She was never the best wrestler, but I still appreciated her and miss her. I think her Librarian gimmick was over, she was cute and pretty and enthusiastic, and she seemed to work hard behind the scenes as an assistant to Brandi, helping make wrestlers' travel arrangements, and so forth. I think she could have found success as a manager or authority figure, but it's not like she was ever given many chances to wrestle anyway. I'm a professional librarian, and I have to admit that this cute librarian lady with blue hair and glasses was one of the original draws that got me excited about watching AEW in the first place, even though she hardly ever had matches.
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Quantum of Phallus posted:early AEW womens division was truly dire Yyeeaahhh, basically if it wasn't the Joshi having a match, it was garbage We're in such a better place now
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I disagree with this one the most. This match ruled. This is the problem with using cage side. It's prone to being influenced by the worst of the online people. They didn't actually judge the match by how good it was, they judged by their dislike of Jericho which itself was colored by a bullshit nothing report from a "reporter" with an ax to grind.
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Shard posted:I disagree with this one the most. This match ruled. This is the problem with using cage side. It's prone to being influenced by the worst of the online people. They didn't actually judge the match by how good it was, they judged by their dislike of Jericho which itself was colored by a bullshit nothing report from a "reporter" with an ax to grind. Agreed
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