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Dabir posted:I need something to present that has all of it written down in one place. I've been talking to someone who's too young to really remember it, trying to impress upon them just how insane that period was and how completely the British establishment turned to crush him, and my own memory isn't good enough to properly describe it without just sounding hyperbolic. Try this as a starting point: https://monthlyreview.org/2022/02/01/anatomy-of-a-propaganda-campaign-jeremy-corbyns-political-assassination/ It's not exactly what you're looking for though. Don't know whether the Al Jaz documentaries might also be of interest: https://www.ajiunit.com/investigation/the-labour-files/ + this one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=db-Gpmfajp8 which didn't get on the aljaz link above. Just trying to find a copy of the leaked report for you. https://archive.org/details/200329-labour-report-final.pdf (this is the one with the leaked emails including the slagging off of Diane Abbott) Jaeluni Asjil fucked around with this message at 02:10 on Mar 17, 2024 |
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Mar 17, 2024 02:02
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Dabir posted:I need something to present that has all of it written down in one place. I've been talking to someone who's too young to really remember it, trying to impress upon them just how insane that period was and how completely the British establishment turned to crush him, and my own memory isn't good enough to properly describe it without just sounding hyperbolic. lot to ask of me this time of a saturday night mate :/
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Mar 17, 2024 02:04
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:Try this as a starting point: https://monthlyreview.org/2022/02/01/anatomy-of-a-propaganda-campaign-jeremy-corbyns-political-assassination/ I've seen both of those and the leaked report. The problem is that those are all very good deep dives into just one aspect of the thing and I'm trying to get across just how total a campaign it was. crispix posted:lot to ask of me this time of a saturday night mate :/ I thought I remembered there being some google doc that had it all written down, if you don't have one handy there's no need to act put upon
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Mar 17, 2024 02:10
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Dabir posted:I've seen both of those and the leaked report. The problem is that those are all very good deep dives into just one aspect of the thing and I'm trying to get across just how total a campaign it was. I don't know of any google doc and if there was one it might have been taken down long since. Have you seen this overview? https://jacobin.com/2016/07/jeremy-corbyn-media-coup-bbc-labour/
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Mar 17, 2024 02:18
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That's a good source which covers a lot, even if it only goes as far as 2016, and I'll send it on to the person I'm talking to. But I feel like the author is missing a trick by choosing to step away from the ridiculous stories - the ridiculousness of so many of those stories is part of the point I'm trying to make. I need something that includes both serious stuff like the EHRC smear report, and unhinged bullshit like Rafael Behr blaming Corbyn for his heart attack. There's also a bit more editorialising than I'd like.
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Mar 17, 2024 02:25
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I'm gonna have to go through years worth of UKMTs writing down everything that happened, aren't I. Man I don't have time for that
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Mar 17, 2024 02:27
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Dabir posted:if you don't have one handy there's no need to act put upon i was doing so for comedic effect 
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Mar 17, 2024 02:29
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but i do empathise with your desire to tell someone young that you told them so
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Mar 17, 2024 02:32
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Dabir posted:I'm gonna have to go through years worth of UKMTs writing down everything that happened, aren't I. Man I don't have time for that Maybe someone will come on tomorrow who knows of a decent link?
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Mar 17, 2024 02:32
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Dabir posted:I'm gonna have to go through years worth of UKMTs writing down everything that happened, aren't I. Man I don't have time for that Arguably, the biggest problem you face is the same problem UK voters faced in 2019: The people who should have been documenting the catalogue of lies levelled at Corbyn were mostly the people levelling those lies at him.
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Mar 17, 2024 02:39
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kingturnip posted:Arguably, the biggest problem you face is the same problem UK voters faced in 2019: It should be said that the lies were incredibly effective in demolishing his electoral support:  Note the jumps from May 2019 to ~May 2021. (YouGov government approval polls)
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Mar 17, 2024 02:51
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Dabir posted:I need something to present that has all of it written down in one place. I've been talking to someone who's too young to really remember it, lol what are you on about the 2015 leadership election was only, uh- it was- oh god
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Mar 17, 2024 02:53
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PriorMarcus posted:I'm sorry. I'm diagnosed dyslexic so writing anything here takes a moment and I still make mistakes. I'll be more careful in the future with my a's and an's. lol don’t mind me sorry I just wasn’t sure if I was wrong or if it was like a British thing and we needed to get ready for a war or something. If it helps, I guess the "an" depends on whether you're going into an "I" sound. If you're pronouncing the "H", then it just gets the "a". Just go with what feels right and you should be sweet. Bucky Fullminster fucked around with this message at 03:05 on Mar 17, 2024 |
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Mar 17, 2024 03:03
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I'm reminded of a debate that consumed a lecture back when I was at uni on whether or not it was ok to write/say "an historic".
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Mar 17, 2024 07:29
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Alex Nunns needs to hurry the gently caress up with his second book about Corbyn because it goes into the campaign to undermine him. His first book was excellent and his explanation of Corbyn's highly improbable rise is very well done.
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Mar 17, 2024 07:45
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Dabir posted:I'm gonna have to go through years worth of UKMTs writing down everything that happened, aren't I. Man I don't have time for that Buy them a forums account and let them loose!
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Mar 17, 2024 09:10
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kingturnip posted:It is getting hard to tell who in this thread is still engaging with the 'Kate is dead' conspiracy for the ironic lols and who's genuinely invested. I’m here for the memes https://vm.tiktok.com/ZGeP2joYh/
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Mar 17, 2024 09:12
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Phrakusca posted:I'm reminded of a debate that consumed a lecture back when I was at uni on whether or not it was ok to write/say "an historic". If someone writes "an historic" I assume they're a Tory If someone writes "an herb" I assume their brain is broken =American E: I shouldn't be grumpy, I have a nice view from my hotel roo 
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Mar 17, 2024 11:40
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Bobstar posted:If someone writes "an historic" I assume they're a Tory A hotel roo is a comfort animal given to guests who need a fight before they can sleep in unfamiliar beds
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Mar 17, 2024 11:46
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Dabir posted:I need something that includes both serious stuff like the EHRC smear report, and unhinged bullshit like Rafael Behr blaming Corbyn for his heart attack. There's also a bit more editorialising than I'd like. If you can remember individual things like that then just search for them, the Rafael Behr article should be pretty easy to find. And don't forget "wearing a tie shows that he craves power" and "let's analyse how deeply he bowed at the cenotaph".
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Mar 17, 2024 11:48
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To me, that madness of that whole era can be summed up in one photo: Corbyn didn't stand a chance when the entire establishment media was conditioning the public to regard him as some kind of foreign terrorist asset
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Mar 17, 2024 11:53
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lol. And they defended that to the hilt too.
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Mar 17, 2024 12:08
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Phrakusca posted:I'm reminded of a debate that consumed a lecture back when I was at uni on whether or not it was ok to write/say "an historic". Another good debate is whether data is singular or plural... or do I mean, whether data are plural or singular...
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Mar 17, 2024 12:08
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Doctor_Fruitbat posted:If you can remember individual things like that then just search for them, the Rafael Behr article should be pretty easy to find. And don't forget "wearing a tie shows that he craves power" and "let's analyse how deeply he bowed at the cenotaph". Also how he "danced a jig up Whitehall" on Remembrance Day (actually walking with a 92-year old WW2 veteran). He "snubbed the traditional statesmens' lunch after the Cenotaph ceremony (to be the only major politician present to meet with veterans). He went near Trotsky's house while on a holiday to Mexico, which was apparently a derogation of his parliamentary duties (but parliament was in recess at the time.) He disliked Viennese architecture because it was 'royal' and 'capitalist'...when visiting in 1976. According to The Times (our national paper of record) he rode a Chairman Mao-style bicycle. Someone at the Mail wrote a deranged fantasy about 1000 Days of Corbyn that Destroyed Britane
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Mar 17, 2024 12:11
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Marmaduke! posted:Another good debate is whether data is singular or plural... or do I mean, whether data are plural or singular... Oh god don't. One of my PhD examiners had a real bee in his bonnet about that and I had never given it much thought before and one of the corrections I had to do was go through it finding every mention of data and change to datum if singular. Out of my two examiners, one gave me just a handful of 'corrections' and the other about 5 sheets of A4 and it was all punctuation and formatting apart from one small section where I had used bullet points and he told me to rewrite it as a proper paragraph because 'bullet points have no place in academic work'.
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Mar 17, 2024 12:13
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Doctor_Fruitbat posted:If you can remember individual things like that then just search for them, the Rafael Behr article should be pretty easy to find. And don't forget "wearing a tie shows that he craves power" and "let's analyse how deeply he bowed at the cenotaph". That's the thing, I can't remember them all
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Mar 17, 2024 12:19
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There was also at least one academic paper trying to quantitatively assess just how biased against him the media was Journalistic transgressions in the representation of Jeremy Corbyn: From watchdog to attackdog comes to mind
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Mar 17, 2024 12:21
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I'd forgotten about Jerembly eating cold beans from the can on his honeymoon, genuinely one of the most relatable anecdotes imaginable for a goon audience
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Mar 17, 2024 12:28
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NotJustANumber99 posted:lol. And they defended that to the hilt too. They did. They even denied photoshopping his hat to make him appear Russian. The Kremlin backdrop was 'just one of those things', and was originally used for a story about Gavin William's trip to Russia the week before. It was just convenient to use it again for Corbyn because <reasons>  The BBC was eventually cleared of any wrongdoing
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Mar 17, 2024 12:28
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:Oh god don't. One of my PhD examiners had a real bee in his bonnet about that and I had never given it much thought before and one of the corrections I had to do was go through it finding every mention of data and change to datum if singular. Out of my two examiners, one gave me just a handful of 'corrections' and the other about 5 sheets of A4 and it was all punctuation and formatting apart from one small section where I had used bullet points and he told me to rewrite it as a proper paragraph because 'bullet points have no place in academic work'. Fortunately I think some journals are being less pissy about it these days. Thinking about corrections on a PhD thesis still gives me sweats, my examiner offered me the choice of submitting with minor corrections or go back to the lab to get a bit more data. I eagerly took the first option, I was so done with it by then.
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Mar 17, 2024 12:29
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fuctifino posted:They did. They even denied photoshopping his hat to make him appear Russian. The Kremlin backdrop was 'just one of those things', and was originally used for a story about Gavin William's trip to Russia the week before. It was just convenient to use it again for Corbyn because <reasons> In these cases I always wonder about the person actually sitting at a computer and doing this. Presumably some underpaid 20-something at the BBC, with a fresh media studies or journalism degree, gets all excited to work as a runner or researcher on Newsnight - the Corporation's flagship current affairs analysis programme! - and gets told "tonight we need you to take this file photo and edit it make Jeremy Corbyn's hat look more sinisterly Russian. We need it in 15 minutes..." Or the staff writer at the Telegraph who gets handed Charles Moore's latest column and has to be the first human to type the sentence "A tie is a mark of ambition. Jeremy Corbyn alarmed me by wearing one as it showed he craved power" as you fill out the headline, while also dropping in the mugshot of Charles Moore wearing a tie.
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Mar 17, 2024 12:39
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Weren't there a couple of domestic terrorists who wanted to get him if they could, too?
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Mar 17, 2024 12:43
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Phrakusca posted:I'm reminded of a debate that consumed a lecture back when I was at uni on whether or not it was ok to write/say "an historic". H as a first letter is always silent in English. Even the letter itself is pronounced aitch. That's just ow grammar works.
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Mar 17, 2024 12:49
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Nenonen posted:H as a first letter is always silent in English. Even the letter itself is pronounced aitch. That's just ow grammar works. Its a Huh
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Mar 17, 2024 12:51
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While the media was painting Corbyn as a Russian asset, they ignored that Boris Johnson attended a party in Italy hosted by Evgeny Lebedev, the literal son of an ex KGB officer (who also attended his son's party). Boris was our literal loving Foreign Secretary at the time. He was photographed at the Italian airport the next day looking hungover and disheveled, and noticeably absent of any staff or minders.  He didn't declare the meeting with the government, and there's no official record of what was said or who he met. The party was under the close observation of the Italian intelligence services, so maybe they have transcripts? The UK media mostly ignored all of this. Boris eventually made Evgeny Lebedev a member of the House of Lords, despite MI5 advising him not to. MI5 even went direct to the Queen to block the appointment, but she refused. fuctifino fucked around with this message at 13:12 on Mar 17, 2024 |
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Mar 17, 2024 12:56
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fuctifino posted:They did. They even denied photoshopping his hat to make him appear Russian. The Kremlin backdrop was 'just one of those things', and was originally used for a story about Gavin William's trip to Russia the week before. It was just convenient to use it again for Corbyn because <reasons>  reminds me of 
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Mar 17, 2024 13:08
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House of lords? More like house of lols. I think the thing that hosed my head the most was that the assassination of Corbyn was so obvious if you paid any attention at all. It showed that nobody at all paid any attention and nobody really gave a gently caress.
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Mar 17, 2024 13:10
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Corbyn chat: Ok I've had a think and trying to avoid the antisemitism ones as you mentioned earlier I'm sure you have a ton of those & also things people already mentioned (though haven't done a refresh first!) Wearing poppy at wrong angle Poppy too small (it was a ceramic one that cost a bloody fortune).https://metro.co.uk/2018/11/11/jeremy-corbyn-criticised-for-small-poppy-pin-and-hoodie-at-armistice-day-service-8127321/ Not bowing at the correct angle https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/nov/08/jeremy-corbyn-cenotaph-bow-scrutinised-social-media-remembrance-sunday Dancing a jig to the cenotaph (https://skwawkbox.org/2016/11/13/of-course-he-wasnt-dancing-this-is-corbyn-dancing/) - this has all the photos on one page you can google for other sources if you prefer. Wearing a rain coat (an expensive M&S one - apparently £79 which is expensive to me - my rain mac cost £12) to the cenotaph (when he was either coming from or going on to an outdoor ceremony in Islington) The wreath row https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-jeremy-corbyn-and-the-wreath-row Saying "Epstine" instead of "Epsteen" caused all Jews to shudder according to Bad Eel. Never mind plenty of Jewish people with "stein" at the end of the name (Brian Epstein, Einstein, Eisenstein etc) pronounce it Stine. & never mind that the Epsteen version was a pedophile. https://uk.news.yahoo.com/comment/talking-politics/jeremy-corbyn-attacked-for-showing-too-much-125229961.html Not singing the national anthem - why would he? I don't. Why should we pay obeisance to protect a single person? He's always been a republican (not the US variety). Troops shooting at Corbyn poster: https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/apr/03/video-british-troops-firing-jeremy-corbyn-poster British Army general says they will stop Corbyn getting in to power: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/british-army-could-stage-mutiny-under-corbyn-says-senior-serving-general-10509742.html US will stop Corbyn getting in to power (bringing 'mocracy at the point of a gun - but too bad all the North Sea oil has gone already). https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/mike-pompeo-suggests-us-could-block-jeremy-corbyn-from-no-10-h5d3zzjb9 And let us not forget criticized for not going on a freebie to a rugby match of some sort because he had a pre-arranged meeting with a constituent. (ie criticized for NOT grifting & doing what the public pays him to do!) https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/the-real-reason-jeremy-corbyn-missed-the-rugby-10509860.html Jaeluni Asjil fucked around with this message at 13:23 on Mar 17, 2024 |
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Mar 17, 2024 13:11
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Bobstar posted:If someone writes "an herb" I assume their brain is broken Caribbean people, RP speakers, and most of the Eastern Commonwealth still pronounce 'erb correctly, it's just Hyacinth Bucket types who hadd the hunnecessary.
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Americans pronounce it “erb” and that’s all I need to know it’s wrong
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