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There's a reason Rome's most bitter rivalry and brutal wars were with the rival naval power on the other side of the Mediterranean. Long after Greece's golden age of course, iirc Rome didn't even directly conquer Greece, they beat the power that currently was Greece's overlord and took over the holdings.
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My brother is really into collecting ancient coins and I'd really like to get him something for his upcoming birthday. Do you folks have a recommended place to get him one that's confirmed as possible to be more in the ethically-traded category rather than the "looted by ISIS and smuggled into North America via the Hobby Lobby family" category?
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Mar 16, 2024 17:28
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Used to be a lad slinging them in the buying selling forums.
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Gaius Marius posted:Used to be a lad slinging them in the buying selling forums. Yeah, he's where I've bought all my Caracalla/Severan dynasty coins. For me, it's hard to trust any other sources.
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I think that coins are perhaps the most safe antiquity you can buy, since once they've been used to date a particular dig and maybe given a quick scrape in case they want to test the metallurgy, they are basically like indicator fossils: 'not much further actual information to be found here.'
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Grand Fromage posted:I picked up a few ancient coins, should probably take pics for the thread. I miss the guy selling coins here. I got a bout 15 of them and I love em.
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Nessus posted:I think that coins are perhaps the most safe antiquity you can buy, since once they've been used to date a particular dig and maybe given a quick scrape in case they want to test the metallurgy, they are basically like indicator fossils: 'not much further actual information to be found here.' That is true, but it also means that because there are so many coins on the market, and many of them have been circulating on the antiquities market for many decades (or longer), no one can really keep track of the origin of all the coins, so its very hard to tell the difference between one that comes from looting and one that doesn't.
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Mar 17, 2024 02:06
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If ancient Rome had Big Macs, how much would they cost?
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White flour and beef? Senatorial class only.
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condimentum speciale, but it's garum. Cheese would be Romano. Lettuce is Egyptian, apparently. Sesame seeds also used by ancient Egyptians. gently caress, I'm working nightshift and now craving garum burger.
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Elissimpark posted:condimentum speciale, but it's garum. Cheese would be Romano. Lettuce is Egyptian, apparently. Sesame seeds also used by ancient Egyptians.
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Can anyone do a summary of the current state of the field on the peopling of the americas? Listening to Tides of History lately and the very loosely informed impression I get from that is that while it's basically a certainty Clovis first isn't it, I guess you could say Clovis seems to have been the first actually monumental change? Groups almost certainly preceded them, very likely by a long long time, but there's very little evidence that any were even close to as successful. Clovis wasn't first, but they were the first that were meaningful?
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Garum is proof that Thailand is the true successor to Rome.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:There's a reason Rome's most bitter rivalry and brutal wars were with the rival naval power on the other side of the Mediterranean. They did but it was kind of an epilogue to the main event (namely, Rome stomping Macedon, then the Seleucids, then Macedon again). After the Macedon stomp, there was no Roman occupation of Greece (because they were busy with partitioning Macedon and also the Third Punic War was happening at the same time). So the Achaean league decided to pursue an independent course. The Romans sent an embassy to ask them wtf they thought they were doing and when that didn’t bring them under control, stomped them too and annihilated Corinth to make the point. No big deal for them but the Greeks clearly felt it pretty sorely. There’s a brief narrative in the Achaean section of Pausanias’ “Description of Greece”. Also Polybius books 38 & 39, which are fragmentary unfortunately but you can definitely get an idea of what he thought of the league’s plan. skasion fucked around with this message at 00:56 on Mar 18, 2024 |
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FreudianSlippers posted:Garum is proof that Thailand is the true successor to Rome.  (Sorry I don't have more to contribute right now than a hmm yes to all these great and informative posts/questions. I'm just, I admit, kind of exhausted with academic/historical reading at the moment and need a little while to rest my eyes/brain. Plus I'm just a very interested/hyperfixated amateur anyway, not a professional with credentials and experience. Anyway that's one thing bookmarks are for of course, so I appreciate all the things mentioned here, and I'm bookmarking it all to save for when I can handle them. Thanks all!)
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FreudianSlippers posted:Garum is proof that Thailand is the true successor to Rome. Point is ketchup is garum which makes America Rome.
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Koramei posted:Can anyone do a summary of the current state of the field on the peopling of the americas? From my admittedly inexpert understanding, this is one of the big mysteries in American archaeology right now. The genetic evidence points to people being in the Americas a lot earlier than Clovis, and there are scattered sites that are earlier, but Clovis is so huge and shows up everywhere. Stefan Milo's youtube channel has some great videos on the subject: https://youtu.be/UsnrdCdGs7o?si=ENnOwgNRR1goYMmf https://youtu.be/cXRoKJcLjJw?si=EKnFlCrONiCt-DzZ Basically we just don't know. While people were almost certainly in the Americas before it, Clovis could represent the first big wave, possibly of people who had stayed in Alaska until the glaciers melted. Or it could just be an artifact (heh) of preservation, that earlier sites didn't preserve as well or are in locations archaeologists have overlooked until now.
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FishFood posted:From my admittedly inexpert understanding, this is one of the big mysteries in American archaeology right now. The genetic evidence points to people being in the Americas a lot earlier than Clovis, and there are scattered sites that are earlier, but Clovis is so huge and shows up everywhere.
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More mediaeval history, but I remembered from The Last Duel there's a bit of a deal made about how when the wife is left alone in the castle there's only one door that her stalker can use to get in. Wondering if that has any basis in reality. It's easy to see feudal castles as protection from unhappy peasants, as well as thieves and such, as much as against full on sieges. Was it a thing to practice security and lock the place up in relative peacetime?
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Koramei posted:Can anyone do a summary of the current state of the field on the peopling of the americas? A summary?  From what I've heard lately it sounds like the 'ice free corridor' theory is bunk but nobody has a better one at the moment so...
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Elissimpark posted:condimentum speciale, but it's garum. Cheese would be Romano. Lettuce is Egyptian, apparently. Sesame seeds also used by ancient Egyptians.
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A lot of early NA arch sites are almost certainly underwater along the coast line which makes things difficult. We have some sites which we are pretty sure are earlier than what is commonly accepted, but theres not really enough present to figure out whats up, Archaic period sites are already extremely difficult to determine/find and anything earlier is just going to be that much more difficult.
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Yeah, the kelp highway along the alaskan and siberian coasts in the north atlantic went along a coastline that no longer exists. there are likely settlements after settlements going all the way down the coast that are now deep underwater.
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It is crazy to think how different the coastlines and environment was like in 16kya. Massive icebergs covering big chunks of the planet. The sea level 130 meters lower than it is now.
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I thought it was 130 ft not m. 
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Nessus posted:I thought it was 130 ft not m. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/17746818/ quote:A sea-level curve of the past 35,000 years for the Atlantic continental shelf of the United States is based on more than 80 radiocarbon dates, 15 of which are older than 15,000 years. Materials include shallow-water mollusks, oolites, coralline algae, beachrock, and salt-marsh peat. Sea level 30,000 to 35,000 years ago was near the present one. Subsequent glacier growth lowered sea level to about -130 meters 16,000 years ago. Holocene transgression probably began about 14,000 years ago, and continued rapidly to about 7000 years ago. Dates from most shelves of the world agree with this curve, suggesting that it is approximately the eustatic curve for the period. When I read that I did a double take, myself. That's slightly more than 70 fathoms.
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Can anyone recommend a good solid book that outlines the timeline of the Marcomannic Wars and the events leading up to it?
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WoodrowSkillson posted:Yeah, the kelp highway along the alaskan and siberian coasts in the north atlantic went along a coastline that no longer exists. there are likely settlements after settlements going all the way down the coast that are now deep underwater. The glacial geology of the northeast Pacific coast is quite complex! There are areas along the coast where the weight of the ice depressed the land, then rebounded again, so the average sea level only changed by a few meters. Other ancient sites are above current sea levels due to this rebound. There's site in BC that has seen continual use from ~14,000 years ago to today! https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2352409X23000597 Grumio fucked around with this message at 19:57 on Mar 18, 2024 |
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SlothfulCobra posted:If ancient Rome had Big Macs, how much would they cost? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHXf3k4C-ys
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It's kind of weird that more than half of the world's population worship the same god (even if the adherents disagree they do). Is there any scholarship on why the deity from a group of levantine Iron Age tribesman became the god of the majority of humans alive on the planet earth several thousand years later? Is this just a byproduct of monotheism vs polytheism? Other than Zoroastrianism, were there other monotheistic non-Abrahamic religions?
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I don’t think they are the same god at all Zoux
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You don't think that Muslims, Jews, and Christians worship the god of Abraham?
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Christians worship a trinity which is not something Jews and Muslims really go for, for example. I don’t even think Christians are monotheist. But that is def arguable
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it's pretty key that both Christianity and Islam are religions that place a very large value on converting unbelievers, by force or persuasion (with different emphasis at different times in history) and were quite good at the force part judaism notably does not place a similar emphasis on converting unbelievers which is a big factor in why it's nowhere near the other two
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Every Christian I have met in the USA 100% does not worship the god of Abraham. At all. Maybe a learned doctor of divinity could explain the connection to you if you asked them
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I mean, observant Jew here. There are differences, but never in a million years would I suggest that we do not worship the same God as Muslims or Christians.
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You worship Jesus ?
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I see them more as three monotheistic deities from the same polytheist pantheon. A holy trinity, if you will.
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evilweasel posted:it's pretty key that both Christianity and Islam are religions that place a very large value on converting unbelievers, Are they the only two evangelical religions?
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