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1glitch0 posted:Whether or not they were all active or good that specific year, that time in WCW had a killer roster. It was an incredibly good roster before Hogan wandered in. I think what makes AEW's current roster the best of all time is the ceiling is higher with guys like Ospreay, Jay White, Okada, and the Bucks and, more importantly at the lower end you have jobbers like Evil Uno and Johnny TV or loving [b]RVD who are wildly better than the lower card of early 90s WCW.[\b] Time is a flat circle.
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Cavauro posted:i wish it was Busted Opie Radio This is my dream. Or him doing fast food reviews with Bubba.
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Cavauro posted:i wish it was Busted Opie Radio That would be hilarious. Opie should pivot to being an anti-AEW grifter, he'd fit right in
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1glitch0 posted:Whether or not they were all active or good that specific year, that time in WCW had a killer roster. It was an incredibly good roster before Hogan wandered in. I think what makes AEW's current roster the best of all time is the ceiling is higher with guys like Ospreay, Jay White, Okada, and the Bucks and, more importantly at the lower end you have jobbers like Evil Uno and Johnny TV or loving RVD who are wildly better than the lower card of early 90s WCW. Horrific downplaying of Sgt. Buddy Lee Parker.
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Dawgstar posted:Horrific downplaying of Sgt. Buddy Lee Parker. No, no, he was right where he deserves to be
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1glitch0 posted:Whether or not they were all active or good that specific year, that time in WCW had a killer roster. It was an incredibly good roster before Hogan wandered in. I think what makes AEW's current roster the best of all time is the ceiling is higher with guys like Ospreay, Jay White, Okada, and the Bucks and, more importantly at the lower end you have jobbers like Evil Uno and Johnny TV or loving RVD who are wildly better than the lower card of early 90s WCW. I think whether or not they were active or good has a lot to do with if WCW had a killer roster, but three of the people on that list not even being signed to WCW and only doing a few dates (Shiny Has Him to had two matches in WCW that year) makes it a very weak argument. Add in that Gordy and Dr. Death were part timers who focused more on All Japan and it looks even worse.
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MassRafTer posted:I think whether or not they were active or good has a lot to do with if WCW had a killer roster, but three of the people on that list not even being signed to WCW and only doing a few dates (Shiny Has Him to had two matches in WCW that year) makes it a very weak argument. Add in that Gordy and Dr. Death were part timers who focused more on All Japan and it looks even worse. I think general memory of that time in WCW all those guys were around. It might not pass Meltzer rigor but if you asked me who was in WCW around 1992 and I didn't have wikipedia or autism at my disposal it sounds pretty correct.
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MassRafTer posted:I think whether or not they were active or good has a lot to do with if WCW had a killer roster, but three of the people on that list not even being signed to WCW and only doing a few dates (Shiny Has Him to had two matches in WCW that year) makes it a very weak argument. Add in that Gordy and Dr. Death were part timers who focused more on All Japan and it looks even worse. Doesn't Gordy just outright bail back to AJPW half way through the year?
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1glitch0 posted:I think general memory of that time in WCW all those guys were around. It might not pass Meltzer rigor but if you asked me who was in WCW around 1992 and I didn't have wikipedia or autism at my disposal it sounds pretty correct. I don't think you need "Meltzer or autism" to look at that list and go "wait three of those guys were from New Japan..."
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https://www.f4wonline.com/podcasts/punch-out/jnpo-aew-q4-investors-call-wrestlenomics-brandon-thurston-tony-khan Brandon Thurston did a fantasy investors call for AEW.
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TinTower posted:https://twitter.com/bullyray5150/status/1769363187986514407 he does seem awfully triggered
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Pretty sure ‘92 WCW had Arachnaman on the roster, and I’m not sure I could love an AEW superstar as much as him.
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Integrated Houston posted:Pretty sure ‘92 WCW had Arachnaman on the roster, and I’m not sure I could love an AEW superstar as much as him. But 1990 had art barr as the juicer, that deserves consideration
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Pylons posted:https://www.f4wonline.com/podcasts/punch-out/jnpo-aew-q4-investors-call-wrestlenomics-brandon-thurston-tony-khan This is some loving bizarre-rear end behavior
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On one hand, the endless churn for content is real On the other, if someone did this for WWE, it would be rightly castigated
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Pylons posted:https://www.f4wonline.com/podcasts/punch-out/jnpo-aew-q4-investors-call-wrestlenomics-brandon-thurston-tony-khan quote:The PR disaster that was Tony Khan's post-Worlds End response to the Chris Jericho situation Yeah, Tony wearing a funny hat while answering a loaded question about an issue that completely melted away was a "PR disaster" in this, the year 2024, when the most famous wrestling promoter in history was caught in a rape and sex trafficking scandal.
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Even if you don't include the Vince stuff, which is an insane to say but still, Tony Khan being asked a series question while he was wearing a silly hat is still nowhere near as bad as Triple H going "Eh I didn't bother reading the lawsuit that I was on the board investigating, who cares anyway LOOK HOW MUCH MONEY WE MADE THIS WEEKEND!!"
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MassRafTer posted:I think whether or not they were active or good has a lot to do with if WCW had a killer roster, but three of the people on that list not even being signed to WCW and only doing a few dates (Shiny Has Him to had two matches in WCW that year) makes it a very weak argument. Add in that Gordy and Dr. Death were part timers who focused more on All Japan and it looks even worse. most of those guys are wrestlers that got big in other companies and not WCW lol
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Integrated Houston posted:Pretty sure ‘92 WCW had Arachnaman on the roster, and I’m not sure I could love an AEW superstar as much as him. Poor Brad Armstrong. One of the best wrestlers on their roster and all they could ever do was 'stick a mask on him, I guess.'
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1glitch0 posted:Yeah, Tony wearing a funny hat while answering a loaded question about an issue that completely melted away was a "PR disaster" in this, the year 2024, when the most famous wrestling promoter in history was caught in a rape and sex trafficking scandal. The pr disaster which turned out to be a fabrication by cm punks pet muck raker
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cagliostr0 posted:The pr disaster which turned out to be a fabrication by cm punks pet muck raker Which is such bullshit, Jericho has plenty of valid poo poo for someone to call him on, why make poo poo up Ask him where his wife was on Jan 6th 2021
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cagliostr0 posted:The pr disaster which turned out to be a fabrication by cm punks pet muck raker Hausman was pretty fuckin' quiet about Corporate Officers #1 through #4 being named, although he has had the time to write about Kevin Kelly getting fired.
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Dawgstar posted:Poor Brad Armstrong. One of the best wrestlers on their roster and all they could ever do was 'stick a mask on him, I guess.' He killed it every time. RIP Badstreet, the greatest Freebird.
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mooseinfants posted:Thurston is oddly respected for being a guy who imo has been not so subtly trying to get in on that AEW is doomed grift Nate Silver effect Act as if everything is backed by hard data and it becomes very hard to argue against, whether your conclusions are evidence based or not
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mooseinfants posted:Thurston is oddly respected for being a guy who imo has been not so subtly trying to get in on that AEW is doomed grift Thurston is not at all trying to do that.
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The guy who part trained Daniel Garcia is not getting into the AEW should be killed grift However, he does enter a foolish fantasy land occasionally with AEW because there's very little publicly available material on its financial health. Somehow it always involves extrapolating from WWE. fez_machine fucked around with this message at 06:34 on Mar 18, 2024 |
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Didn't Thurston work with one of AEW's original hires who's still high up in the company as well? And yeah he's not a doomer or getting in on the grift. He just made some cringe content and who doesn't when you have a podcast online?
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SatoshiMiwa posted:Didn't Thurston work with one of AEW's original hires who's still high up in the company as well? And yeah he's not a doomer or getting in on the grift. He just made some cringe content and who doesn't when you have a podcast online? Wrestlenomics was originally started by Mookieghana & yes, he was a very early AEW hire. Pretty sure they knew each other from the Buffalo indy scene.
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JUNGLE BOY posted:so you're telling me thurston is the janetty? Yes.
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The Marty Jannetty of wrestling figures who use spreadsheets.
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