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Sydin posted:He's been exceptional at his job for years, this being the first real exception, and only now seemingly at the expense of the owners actively colluding against signing his guys. I honestly have no idea what you're on about or why you'd dislike the guy. There are a lot of MLB agents who are way better at their jobs than he is whos names you don't know because they aren't clout and fame chasers the way he is. He's about himself, not his clients.
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live with fruit posted:Players know what they're getting into when they hire Boras. The Boras 4 all have their flaws and they hired an agent who specifically ignores them. If Snell wanted 6 years, $120 million, he should've hired a different agent. This is less than Scherzer got from the Nats almost 10 years ago when he only had one Cy, was around the same age Snell is now, and had not yet morphed into obvious HoF candidate MAX SCHERZER yet. Gonna go out on a limb and suggest Snell wanted a lot more than 6/120 regardless of the agent involved.
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mcmagic posted:There are a lot of MLB agents who are way better at their jobs than he is whos names you don't know because they aren't clout and fame chasers the way he is. He's about himself, not his clients. Please indicate on the doll where Scott Boras hurt you, mcmagic.
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Mar 18, 2024 18:00
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Boras seems like the cliche agent of Arliss or Ari. Which means he makes big gambles and sometimes they pay off huge and sometimes they don't. If you're a no brainer free agent signing with him is probably a good bet. If you've got issues then you're probably taking a chance to get a big deal instead of just getting a solid deal.
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I'd be interested in how he compares overall to somewhere else flashy like CAA. Also he might have been unlucky. Rogers Corp wanted SOME free agents but pitching is one place we're all set.
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Mar 18, 2024 18:05
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He's still going to get Soto $500 to $600 million this winter.
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live with fruit posted:He's still going to get Soto $500 to $600 million this winter. You could be Soto's agent and get him 500 million.
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The cap isn't collusion. It was collectively bargained. Collusion is an explicit but secret agreement among the owners--in this particular case, not to pay Boras clients below the level of No-Doubt Hall Of Famer--which is what I am asserting is almost certainly happening. These are billionaires we're talking about and, in my extremely humble opinion, it is hopelessly naive to think collusion among them doesn't happen anywhere and everywhere more than two of them gather to form a cartel.
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I’ve said this before but I feel like the Mets strategy of “gently caress the luxury tax” and immediately faceplanting has made other teams gun-shy about spending over the threshold. Way to ruin it for everybody else 
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Boras may not be good at the job the renowned forums poster mcmagic believes a sports agent should do, but he has long been the best in the world at the job his actual clients hire him to do, which is get me every last cent of possible money to the exclusion of all other considerations.
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STAC Goat posted:Boras seems like the cliche agent of Arliss or Ari. Which means he makes big gambles and sometimes they pay off huge and sometimes they don't. If you're a no brainer free agent signing with him is probably a good bet. If you've got issues then you're probably taking a chance to get a big deal instead of just getting a solid deal. I mean KB had a ton of issues to the point that the SF Giants were straight up saying to the media they were unimpressed with his performance after trading for him and not interested in re-signing, and somehow Boras still fleeced the Rockies (admittedly the dumbest FO on the planet) for a mega deal. Not everybody he peddles is a no-doubt megastar like Soto. But yes he mostly deals with the upper echelon of FA's and makes his bread in waiting out teams to get them to come up in price. I think the reason it didn't work this year is a combination of the obvious collusion that's been going on for ages under the hood, but also that within the past couple years we've seen a lot of players like Bauer, Bellinger, Stroman, Correa, etc takes shorter term, high AAV deals with opt outs and teams are starting to realize they *really* like those kinds of deals because they come with way less associated risk, meanwhile Boras is a guy who still very much wants to lock up 10/300+ deals. The new meta for teams is to extend your top prospects/rookies up front on team friendly deals and then augment with short term, high AAV FA's which is out of step with the traditional expectation of "play your 6-7 control years -> sign a long term deal" for most guys. Obviously there are still going to be exceptions with your tippiest top guys getting huge deals but it feels like that's going to fade into no longer being the norm, baring a huge financial realignment coming out of the next CBA negotiations.
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Snell has like a 200 ERA+ in his two Cy Young years and it's 104 in the years between. 
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It goes without saying its not an agents job for fans of a sport to like him, or even think he is doing a good job. Boras's entire job is to make his clients, and by association himself, the most amount of money possible. That's it. He doesnt give a poo poo about baseball, the league, or the fans. He has literally one goal. There is a reason why he has made twice as much as the next successful mlb agent ever.
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Scott Boras? The haberdasher?
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Paul Zuvella posted:It goes without saying its not an agents job for fans of a sport to like him, or even think he is doing a good job. Boras's entire job is to make his clients, and by association himself, the most amount of money possible. That's it. He doesnt give a poo poo about baseball, the league, or the fans. He has literally one goal. That's right. Just want to remind you though there's one most successful agent who literally made every free agent dollar ever.
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Sydin posted:I think the reason it didn't work this year is a combination of the obvious collusion that's been going on for ages under the hood, but also that within the past couple years we've seen a lot of players like Bauer, Bellinger, Stroman, Correa, etc takes shorter term, high AAV deals with opt outs and teams are starting to realize they *really* like those kinds of deals because they come with way less associated risk, meanwhile Boras is a guy who still very much wants to lock up 10/300+ deals. What's different is that Ohtani and Yamamoto, the true top of the market this winter, were not represented by Boras.
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bawfuls posted:I think it's much more that these specific four guys (Bellinger, Chapman, Snell, Montgomery) all have major uncertainties about their long term performance due to their unique track records. Boras has materially damaged both Snell and Monty's careers by bungling their contract situations.
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if you say so
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Amazing that McMagic can see into the future. Wild poo poo
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The kwisatz maderach...
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Snell probably could've gotten a contract like the one Nola got if he hadn't tried to max out his value.
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Paul Zuvella posted:Amazing that McMagic can see into the future. Wild poo poo They are both going to not be ready to start the season at full speed.
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I don't think Boras is holding Snell and Montgomery hostage in a conference room, if they really wanted to sign somewhere they could fire him or tell him they are taking a deal.
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zoux posted:The kwisatz maderach... lol
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live with fruit posted:Snell probably could've gotten a contract like the one Nola got if he hadn't tried to max out his value. Yankees reportedly offered him 5 or 6/150 and Nola got 7/172. So yeah. Sounds about right. If teams are offering market average long deals and the player/agent are simply turning them down wanting something better I don't think you can call that collusion.
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live with fruit posted:Snell probably could've gotten a contract like the one Nola got if he hadn't tried to max out his value. 
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live with fruit posted:Snell probably could've gotten a contract like the one Nola got if he hadn't tried to max out his value. From where? From who? Theoretically sure something could have happened but we don't even know if that was ever on the table.
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Do other agents have good players who should be on rosters not in spring training camps that I'm missing?
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mcmagic posted:Do other agents have good players who should be on rosters not in spring training camps that I'm missing? Whoever Pham, Lorenzen and Belts' agents are.
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live with fruit posted:Whoever Pham, Lorenzen and Belts' agents are. Not the same level of player. Not even close.
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mcmagic posted:Not the same level of player. Not even close. They're still good players.
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Nissin Cup Nudist posted:Blake Snell has 2 Cys yet I don't think he's worth even 2/60 I truly love that he has a CY from both leagues and everyone was at least a little mad about it both times.
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So what coveted Boras client in the past signed somewhere besides New York that made mcmagic lose their mind?
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I assume it's about Rodon.
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live with fruit posted:I assume it's about Rodon. Nah it has nothing to do with any individual player.
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DeepDickPizza posted:So what coveted Boras client in the past signed somewhere besides New York that made mcmagic lose their mind? If a yankees fan is complaining or mad about scott boras you should just assume its because of a-rod.
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can't believe scott boras keeps getting away with this 
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Paul Zuvella posted:If a yankees fan is complaining or mad about scott boras you should just assume its because of a-rod. But A-Rod rules?
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Inspector_666 posted:I truly love that he has a CY from both leagues and everyone was at least a little mad about it both times. I dont remember his first, but last years NL pitching field had to be the weakest in several years Scott Boras holding court at the winter meetings with his bizarre metaphors does get a tedious after a while ngl
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Inspector_666 posted:But A-Rod rules? He does and I miss him
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