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Murray Mantoinette posted:The Atreides soldiers were trained by Duncan and Gurney so any seasoned Atreides vet is going to be very capable. I think the Baron was impressed not by the fighting but by Feyd putting himself in real danger for that ploy of his to use an undrugged gladiator on purpose and make it look accidental. And yeah also agreeing that the film handled the marriage thing unconvincingly. He has to marry her to get the other houses in line but they don't seem too impressed so cancel that marriage and go after ya girl. niethan fucked around with this message at 19:38 on Mar 18, 2024 |
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This is loving wild. Villeneuve breaks down the "Paul rides a worm for the first time" scene. There were an absurd number of practical effects in that scene. Check it out, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7E6AcXUKSVA tl;dw The shot where Paul runs along the ridge, and it collapses under him? 100% practical effect, they had trucks pulling out big cylinders to undermine the giant sand dune that they had built so they could get the daylight right. Villeneuve is a madman, but every dollar and every ounce of effort is on the screen.
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mllaneza posted:tl;dw The shot where Paul runs along the ridge, and it collapses under him? 100% practical effect, they had trucks pulling out big cylinders to undermine the giant sand dune that they had built so they could get the daylight right. Villeneuve is a madman, but every dollar and every ounce of effort is on the screen. So what did they use like, a giant grain elevator to rebuild the dune every time they hosed up the shot until they got it right?
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mllaneza posted:They never said "jihad", but Paul was referred to as "mahdi" several times. That's good enough for me, even if it is a slightly obscure bit of history. It does feature a British Imperial army getting completely dunced on though! Of course they dunced back, harder: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Omdurman
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Fuschia tude posted:So what did they use like, a giant grain elevator to rebuild the dune every time they hosed up the shot until they got it right? There's lots of practical effects you get one shot at. Iirc the breaching of Helms Deep was accomplished by waiting until they'd done all the filming they needed on the miniature and then literally blowing it up
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mllaneza posted:This is loving wild. Villeneuve breaks down the "Paul rides a worm for the first time" scene. There were an absurd number of practical effects in that scene. Check it out, frenchie's signature even looks like ⊃∪∩⊂
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s/paul/leto ii/g, i think
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i'll be dead in the cold hard ground before i take ethical framework lessons from a dickless worm
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Bubblyblubber posted:i'll be dead in the cold hard ground before i take ethical framework lessons from a dickless worm He came close to gluing on a paper mache penis, would that have given him more credence for you?
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... ...go on.......
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god-emperor of dune posted:Idaho darted a quick glance along Leto's supine length.
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News of the Leto II's death reaches Ix, and the master dongsmiths there weep in despair for they were just about to ship the God-Emperor a suitable strap-on for his majestic size, with a forbidden vibro-machine inside.
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Do you think it would flop around like a sandworm or glue itself to things like a sandtrout?
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Mentat Analysis: Am vibrating at dangerous oscillation speed
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You do not withhold Hitachi attachments from a mentat.
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The Lisan Al-Gorithm recommended this to me, and I've never heard it before. An interview from 1969 done between Frank Herbert and Willis McNelly. It's pretty fascinating. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-mLVVJkH7I
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lisan al-kwarizm, since 'algorithm' is etymologically from arabic anyways
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Yeah it ruled.
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bob dobbs is dead posted:lisan al-kwarizm, since 'algorithm' is etymologically from arabic anyways  well spent, I learn so much here.
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What is to be DONE? About this Paul Atreides???
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Mister Speaker posted:What is to be DONE? About this Paul Atreides??? More cowbell.
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I liked the idea the Emperor is just a tired old man at the end of the day who doesn't have it in him to oppose Paul, and Walken got that across well, but I can see why people might have preferred his more hardass portrayal in the book.
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One thing always irked me was why Fenrig, who's supposed to be a blademaster, refused to shank Paul because, iirc, "homie is a plaything of BG like me, imma let him off the hook" or something Like, you'd think he'd be up to kill Paul but I guess at that point if you kill Paul, Fremen would tore you into ribbons so better to be in exile than getting his buttcheeks stretched as a rug
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Galewolf posted:One thing always irked me was why Fenrig, who's supposed to be a blademaster, refused to shank Paul because, iirc, "homie is a plaything of BG like me, imma let him off the hook" or something However, it's likely that he had some prescient abilities - and even if he didn't, the plans for creating a Kwizats Hadarach seems to include mentat training (based on Pauls own training as a mentat), so that might be another reason he arrived at that conclusion. The book also has Paul musing about how he felt some kinship with Fenring.
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finally I'm at a theatre playing the 1.43 version. the screen is 4 stories tall. I might die from sound poisoning
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I've been listening to the Dune audiobook (the one with more voice actors) and... 1. I'm glad Count Fenring wasn't in the films. His speech pattern is so hilariously comedic. Mmmmramramram blahblah. Yea Vladimir inner monologues how he's actually a dangerous badass but still. I am curious how his speech actually written in the book. 2. I'm glad Paul's servant/wife from duel isn't featured in the film either  Someone might try and say not to apply our morals to an imaginary society and its their custom and I'd disagree but wouldn't care to argue back but holy poo poo it would be uncomfortable on film.3. Jessica seems more...subservient in the book, it feels like he's at least slightly more proactive/stern in the two newer films? 4. Less homophobia. Yeah, I know the thing about Herbert's other son. 5. Paul goes full arrogance mode in the book right off the bat thanks to his precognition ability and it's super off-putting. I guess that might be the intention though? edit: Oh, I thought Vladimir Harkonnen's voice in the book was surprisingly good and I wondered why. Then I realized it's partly because of the voice filtering, which I realized sounds a little like Darth Vader. Fat Darth Vader. Oh well, it's still good ...Though maybe the multi-actor one is actually the bad version apparently because it's a retrofitted abridged version with inconsistency when voice actors are used? Dessel fucked around with this message at 01:35 on Mar 20, 2024 |
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Another question for more well-read dunebros: To what extent is Jessica's Harkonnen heritage known? It's a pretty big revelation to Paul in the new film, but in pt 1 the Baron calls (a very paralyzed) Leto "cousin" and it got me thinking about who actually knew Jessica was Harkonnen. And the implications of this, how many threads of bloodline manipulation were the BG pulling there? Weren't they trying to have Jessica's (female) heir marry Feyd? Hapsburg vibes. Also, what was the throat-singing subtitled line that opened pt 2 again? It might have been a riff on "he who can destroy a thing has absolute power over that thing" but I don't think so. All I know is that when it hit in the theatre, I let out a quiet "LET'S GOOO"
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atreides and harkonnen are known to both parties to be like, cousins 100 times removed, in tradition of medieval feud
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Mister Speaker posted:Another question for more well-read dunebros: To what extent is Jessica's Harkonnen heritage known? It's a pretty big revelation to Paul in the new film, but in pt 1 the Baron calls (a very paralyzed) Leto "cousin" and it got me thinking about who actually knew Jessica was Harkonnen. Well a guy dating your daughter doesn't make you two cousins, I assume it was a really old lineage. As per who knows, I don't recall exactly in the books but it doesn't really show up to my memory until it comes roaring back that the Baron's memory is possessing Alia.
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I hadn't really thought about it but "Your concubine is dead" is a weird flex given the revelation in the second film that the Baron knew that was his daughter.
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The "cousin" thing in the book almost looks like a formal kind of address between nobles- there's a scene where the baron notes that a letter from Leto is adressed "HARKONNEN", not even "sire et cher cousin." Jessica's H. ancestry seems to be a BG secret, leading to the wonderful throne room scene where Gurney tries to rein in Paul and Jessica basically says, don’t bother, he's like his grandfather in this mood. To Gurney this means the infamous Atreides bullfighter, but for Jessica herself there's a bit more going on...
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Mister Speaker posted:Another question for more well-read dunebros: To what extent is Jessica's Harkonnen heritage known? It's a pretty big revelation to Paul in the new film, but in pt 1 the Baron calls (a very paralyzed) Leto "cousin" and it got me thinking about who actually knew Jessica was Harkonnen. And the implications of this, how many threads of bloodline manipulation were the BG pulling there? Weren't they trying to have Jessica's (female) heir marry Feyd? Hapsburg vibes. It was a secret to everyone but the BG breeding masters. Not even Jessica knew. Paul discovered it via his power and demanded Jessica realize it. Nobody else knew it except Alia, though by the end the Reverend Mother realizes the secret is out.
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It's well documented that too much crossing of incest genetics will invariable lead to one kid becoming a gigantic, immortal worm.
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The revelation of Jessica's parentage also comes much earlier in the book. It's when Paul's having his first real prescient flashes even before the Water of Life, when they're in the tent together after escaping the Harkonnen attack, if I recall. Exposure to the spice, Paul's mentat training, and a bunch of other things suddenly snap together in the stress of the moment and he just knows. The movie frames it as like this final weird thing for Paul to acknowledge as he comes out of the Water coma and embraces being the Mahdi and Kwisatz Haderach, when he says something about acting like a Harkonnen. In the book it's framed instead as a harsh salvo against the breeding program because the Bene Gesserit are inbreeding humans like dogs to get the traits they desire.Dessel posted:1. I'm glad Count Fenring wasn't in the films. His speech pattern is so hilariously comedic. Mmmmramramram blahblah. Yea Vladimir inner monologues how he's actually a dangerous badass but still. I am curious how his speech actually written in the book. Pretty much how you're imagining. Digging into my copy for an example: quote:"Um-m-m-m-ah-hm-m-m-m," said the Count. He studied Feyd-Rautha. "The, hm-m-m-m, precise young man, ah, my... hm-m-m-m... dear?" The Count glanced at the Baron. "My dear Baron, you say you've spoken of us to this precise young man? What did you say?" Even Feyd reflects on how annoying it sounds. quote:Listening to the man gave Feyd-Rautha the feeling his head was being pushed through mush... um-m-m-ah-h-h-hm-m-m-m!
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Mohiam flat out states that they keep the lineage secret so that no one will balk at incest, among other reasons.
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