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Communist Cop posted:Positive feedback on my positive feedback loop
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Mar 20, 2024 08:07
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Communist Cop posted:That's right love seeing the experts poo poo they pantaloons
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Mar 20, 2024 08:28
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I love fixing problems by doing their causes more aggressively and at a much higher volume.
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Mar 20, 2024 08:51
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we need to put the sulphur back in the ship fuels
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Mar 20, 2024 09:20
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good luck getting your treat graphs without the peechem industry
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Mar 20, 2024 10:20
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I would blow Dane Cook posted:we need to put the sulphur back in the ship fuels They never took them out they just put the exhaust pipe in the ocean instead of letting it spray into the air
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Mar 20, 2024 11:22
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I would blow Dane Cook posted:we need to put the sulphur back in the ship fuels been saying this
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Mar 20, 2024 11:50
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Scarabrae posted:looks like someone needs some media training
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Mar 20, 2024 12:38
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we need to spray a whole lot of sulphur into the atmosphere
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Mar 20, 2024 12:43
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I would blow Dane Cook posted:we need to spray a whole lot of sulphur into the atmosphere *eats a bunch of eggs* hard at work boss
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Mar 20, 2024 12:44
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got your asses https://twitter.com/GlobalEcoGuy/status/1770101533939765492 wrap it up, doomailures
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Mar 20, 2024 15:27
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Cup Runneth Over posted:got your asses the best strategy is to not try
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Mar 20, 2024 15:28
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its just a matter of reframing. everybody is already working together to bring about the completion of our great common task. communicate it as "we will cause the best and most comprehensive mass extinction of all time" and everyone can feel good about their work changing the climate. people like to be the best at things
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Mar 20, 2024 15:39
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Cup Runneth Over posted:got your asses i think this is an article that could only be produced under the auspices of the most mind-bending american individualism. “well if it doesn’t matter what i personally do as one single person who is also the main character then it’s ’pointless’? maybe continue to tell me i still don’t have to do anything. checkmate bdoomers*” *: this was a typo but i wanted to keep it
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Mar 20, 2024 15:45
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Cup Runneth Over posted:got your asses I read several studies that found the opposite so who's to say if it's good or bad...
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Mar 20, 2024 16:13
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i am right now sitting in the bone driest lecture class on my undergrad schedule, "environmental challenges" and he's showing us a bunch of the hockey stick graphs it's like ben stein from ferris bueler delivering sarah conners "you're all dead" monologue.
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Mar 20, 2024 16:14
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climate change sure is a challenge
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Mar 20, 2024 16:26
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mawarannahr posted:I read several studies that found the opposite so who's to say if it's good or bad... i doubt their study actually found that doomerism prevented action. it’s probably like a “2.3% fewer trees planted by a specific subset of the already small sample population when we used negative adjectives” or some other dumb bullshit
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Mar 20, 2024 16:27
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Thorn Wishes Talon posted:climate change sure is a challenge it's actually pretty easy imo we should just keep inputting carbon into the system until we complete our great work of biocide
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Mar 20, 2024 16:31
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cash crab posted:bdoomers*” I refuse to believe that was a typo  but I'll accept the explanation of "it was already in my dictionary and autocorrect picked it"
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Mar 20, 2024 16:47
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Let's find a solution on how we can deliver the message of climate change in a way that doesn't interfere with my consumerism
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Mar 20, 2024 16:53
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Stereotype posted:i doubt their study actually found that doomerism prevented action. it’s probably like a “2.3% fewer trees planted by a specific subset of the already small sample population when we used negative adjectives” or some other dumb bullshit "participants were found to be less likely to donate to climate nonprofits when we told them society would collapse before they retired"
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Mar 20, 2024 16:54
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Owlbear Camus posted:it's actually pretty easy imo we should just keep inputting carbon into the system until we complete our great work of biocide proceeding apace https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/amid-louisiana-s-crawfish-shortage-governor-issues-disaster-declaration/ar-BB1jrRGs
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Mar 20, 2024 17:07
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Cup Runneth Over posted:got your asses https://x.com/novaramedia/status/1770344612336423404?s=20
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Mar 20, 2024 17:07
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Stereotype posted:i doubt their study actually found that doomerism prevented action. it’s probably like a “2.3% fewer trees planted by a specific subset of the already small sample population when we used negative adjectives” or some other dumb bullshit i read it, and that's exactly what it says
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Mar 20, 2024 17:12
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quote:For instance, recent work found that online news consumption is largely driven by the negative content of the news (43). However, others have warned that this messaging may have no impact on behavior (44) or, worse, that it may depress and demoralize the public into inaction (45). Here, we found empirical support for both accounts on different outcomes: While negative emotion messaging was highly effective at stimulating climate information–sharing intentions (a relatively low-effort behavior), it decreased tree-planting efforts. Further, the negative emotion induction intervention appeared to backfire on policy support among participants with low initial climate beliefs. These results suggest that climate scientists should carefully consider the differential effects of the prevalent fear-inducing writing styles on different proclimate outcomes.  quote:Fig. 2. Average effects (i.e., posterior estimates using Bayesian regressions) by intervention for each outcome.  quote:Participants (N = 59,440, from 63 counties; Table 1) were mostly recruited through online data collection platforms (80.8%) or via convenience/snowball sampling (19.1%; Table 1). They were randomly assigned to 1 of 11 experimental interventions (Fig. 1) or a no intervention control condition in which they read a passage from a literary text. Then, in a randomized order, participants indicated their climate beliefs, climate policy support, and willingness to share climate-related information on social media. Last, participants were able to opt into completing up to eight pages of a tree-planting task, each completed page resulting in the real planting of a tree through a donation to The Eden Reforestation Project. As a result of participants’ behavior, our team actually planted 333,333 trees. Assuming that the average fully grown tree absorbs between 10 and 40 kg of carbon dioxide per year in 5 to 10 years when all trees are fully grown, the efforts from this project will result in ~9,999,990 kg of carbon dioxide sequestered per year, which is the equivalent amount of carbon dioxide used to produce energy for 1260 U.S. homes. quote:To measure an action with a real-world impact performed at an actual cost to participants, we used a modified version of the WEPT (37). This task is a multitrial web-based procedure that detects consequential proenvironmental behavior by allowing participants the opportunity of engaging in voluntary cognitive effort (i.e., screen numerical stimuli) in exchange for donations to an environmental organization. This measure has been validated and has been found to correlate with well-established scales for the assessing proenvironmental behavioral intentions (e.g., general ecological behavior scale) (57) and with direct donation behaviors (e.g., the donation of a part of their payment to an environmental organization) (39). So the outcome of this paper is not strictly "people were less willing to plant trees when we gave them doomer information", it's more like "people were less willing to complete busywork that would trigger a donation to a tree-planting charity when we gave them doomer information." The results are true - people were least likely to do a first grader's math homework when you tell them the environment is hosed. And I do see the author's interpretation - they gave them the easiest possible version of "planting trees", which is "do this trivial thing and we'll pay someone else to plant a tree," and they still wouldn't do it. I don't know poo poo about those survey tools they mentioned. But my gut reaction is that most people will have a different reaction to "will you do an annoying puzzle?" than they would to "will you help me plant a tree in the yard?". Framing our willingness to engage in climate action around using a tool that requires you to accept that the non-profit charity sphere is capable of fighting climate change in the first place, seems counterproductive.
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Mar 20, 2024 17:36
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Look, I know the paper you're about to publish says that we need to stop using fossil fuels, but please understand than adults didn't color as many trees green when they heard bad news, so maybe you should change your conclusions.
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Mar 20, 2024 17:47
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 chart had been looking like the trump graph for a second but nah
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Mar 20, 2024 17:54
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Wakko posted:its just a matter of reframing. everybody is already working together to bring about the completion of our great common task. communicate it as "we will cause the best and most comprehensive mass extinction of all time" and everyone can feel good about their work changing the climate. people like to be the best at things we can end it here. we can end it for all time.
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Mar 20, 2024 17:57
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telling doomers to shut up is just another form of shaming people for individual action amidst a collective action problem, done by people that are either deep in denial or who actually feel bad because they aren't out there doing [redacted] poo poo
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Mar 20, 2024 17:57
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i (quite honestly) respect people that lead by example, doing positive things for a better world, who know that it won't benefit them nor their children and it probably is too late anyway, who don't judge the rest of us for being born into this loving mess. that's fine and noble. it's when they look down their loving noses at people that, quite understandably, are depressed and anxious about the whole thing that i get mad.
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Mar 20, 2024 18:00
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Cold on a Cob posted:i (quite honestly) respect people that lead by example, doing positive things for a better world, who know that it won't benefit them nor their children and it probably is too late anyway, who don't judge the rest of us for being born into this loving mess. that's fine and noble. it's when they look down their loving noses at people that, quite understandably, are depressed and anxious about the whole thing that i get mad. tell me more about how other people are responsible for your feelings
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Mar 20, 2024 18:09
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  quote:OWN A PIECE OF PARADISE. Are you looking for a place on the water? On the Bay and White Oak Creek to be more specific. Look no further. The views are just incredible.
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Mar 20, 2024 18:12
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When the power grid collapses and stays down for months I think most people will start to feel that climate change is a problem. Then they will promptly forget it happened and say drill baby drill.
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Mar 20, 2024 18:14
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tuyop posted:tell me more about how other people are responsible for your feelings idk what you mean, are you saying i shouldn't have feelings about the people who largely agree with people like me about climate change but openly judge people like me anyway because we're not suitably optimistic about our chances? maybe you're forgetting about all the discourse over the last few years where doomers were being portrayed as worse than deniers (or maybe i'm an rear end in a top hat b/c i guess i still got a stick up my rear end about it) i'm saying they should fight the real enemy because it's circular firing squad bullshit
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Mar 20, 2024 18:22
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Tiger Crazy posted:When the power grid collapses and stays down for months I think most people will start to feel that climate change is a problem. Then they will promptly forget it happened and say drill baby drill. my prediction is that as climate change worsens and become more obvious, continued and greater fossil fuel use will be publicly justified on the grounds of "well climate change has already happened. no reason to stop now."
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Mar 20, 2024 18:22
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bedpan posted:my prediction is that as climate change worsens and become more obvious, continued and greater fossil fuel use will be publicly justified on the grounds of "well climate change has already happened. no reason to stop now." not exactly the same but makes me think about how i've been told about we need to go 100% electric cars instead of prioritizing mass transit "we've already invested in the roads" which are crumbling now anyway in a lot of cities but let's not think about that
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Mar 20, 2024 18:25
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 I don't see the problem. Seems good, actually.
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Mar 20, 2024 18:27
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Cup Runneth Over posted:got your asses Good thing we found the way to communicate the urgency that works and now action is being taken. ...right? RIGHT????
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Cold on a Cob posted:not exactly the same but makes me think about how i've been told about we need to go 100% electric cars instead of prioritizing mass transit 
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