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ideally, i need to try to do something to survive because my dumb rear end turned it into an escort quest by having kids realistically my greatest aspiration should be to make a cool decorative skull on a warlord's battle rig. given the amount of projection in all the "madman maniac enemy of peace" epithets hurled by my dumb gently caress countries propaganda, i gotta assume if ww3 does go diablo sauce it's gonna be the us that lets loose first. i wonder if our full triad even loving works. i assume the stealth bombers will do their thing because they are the cool sexy thing everyone likes but i bet the slbms and icbms have a not insignificant gently caress up rate.
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Hatebag posted:yeah I'm in the instant death zone instead of the protracted starvation/irradiation death zone. nothing to be done about it. after i heard about that botched hawaii alert test, i turned off emergency alerts on my phone so i can die without having to wake up 10 mins before.
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Real hurthling! posted:after i heard about that botched hawaii alert test, i turned off emergency alerts on my phone so i can die without having to wake up 10 mins before. has anyone done any oral histories of the fallout from that? i gotta imagine there were a LOT of really awkward hookups, reconciliations, admissions and confessions, etc etc. probably more than a couple of unplanned pregnancies.
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*Weirdly bright light illuminates inside of my house, I pull the blinds and see a mushroom cloud in the distance* "Well, I'm a cannibal now"
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JAY ZERO SUM GAME posted:why would China bother with nukes I think what would work well to "destroy" a nation is this: - Destroy infrastructure for roads, trains, electricity, internet, water, healthcare, and anything else a society needs to function. - Destroy manufacturing ability within the target nation - Destroy a sense of patriotism, nationalism and willingness for citizens to fight for their community. - Destroy the ability of young people to own a home or feel that they have a future to fight for. Increasing inequality in any regard helps as well. - Destroy people's trust in state institutions, and in their country's democratic processss. - Destroy the ability of the country/MIC to produce large amounts of military goods, particularly ammunition. Bonus if they are reliant on other countries for base resources needed to produce said goods. - Destroy the country's ability to maintain their critical military equipment. - Reduce the country's currency power - Destroy the trust that other countries have in your target nation. - Destroy the country's illusion of effective security/safety/power projection by seeing their military humiliated by supposedly weaker opponents. If China wanted to "destroy" America and achieve these above goals, they can do so with this powerful technique: - waiting
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Admiral Bosch posted:
Gonna walk toward the mushroom cloud
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i'm in the UK and we're so small and have so many small military bases just dotted around i'm not sure there is a survival zone. I think maybe there are some 'die in two weeks from radiation' zones maybe some of the scottish highlands? Then again Scotland has the nuke sub pens so they're going to get it hard anyway.
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NeonPunk posted:What the. How the hell is he building a bunker around here? Isn't it like crazy expensive to just dig a feet down due to all the limestone? It's an older couple that must have a ton of money because they bought a house further down the street to live in while this one is getting built. The underground portion is the entire footprint of the house and the neighbor said it was gonna be like half bunker half normal rooms. Right now it's still a big hole in the ground but it has big air exchanger type pipes coming up. I'm hoping to catch them at some point when they are at the property and ask them about it. But yeah I would imagine just the underground part is costing what a really nice house here would cost because digging what's effectively a basement out in this area is almost unheard of.
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stephenthinkpad posted:I mean obviously the post-apoc North America would be dominated by former gunnuts who used to live in the flyover states ... doughy coddled car lot owner swinging his cheap-rear end walmart rifle around knocking swathes of gibbering untermenschen (who cant possibly have gotten their hands on guns for some reason) off their feet like sauron from the lotr movie
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Hatebag posted:i don't know how many nukes it would take to blow a hole through a foot of reinforced concrete but i found this amazing drawing from a 1990 paper from the army about dividing walls Why is R centerline to centerline when it should just be the wall thickness, which appears to be constant anyways
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Regarde Aduck posted:i dunno things have been getting gradually worse for so long that i feel like i might as well try to live in the mad max world just for the experience you know? Defintely feel the energy of this post
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suit yourself, the second i can't Log On or buy alcohol or stuff my fat loving face that's it for me. water scarcity, food scarcity and oh yeah radiation sickness all sound pretty terrible
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Admiral Bosch posted:suit yourself, the second i can't Log On or buy alcohol or stuff my fat loving face that's it for me. water scarcity, food scarcity and oh yeah radiation sickness all sound pretty terrible not the point, i figure i'll last i don't know, a day? But what a lovely day.
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personally i would just invest in dune buggies and leather vests
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Admiral Bosch posted:no loving way please post a link about this Just live within the projected blast radius for your regional capital. No worries.
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it's funny how in these awful times every thread eventually becomes the doomsday nuke thread. we've all ben inculcated to expect there to be The Event. the one toggle switch that will tell us its time to ditch our button ups for leathers and our jettas for war rigs. but i don't think it's gonna be that cool. we're going to experience the apocryphal frog boil. just stepping over more and more corpses on your way to work. that poo poo in children of men where clive owen is like half a block from a suicide bombing and still makes his commute? it's gonna be that. in a weird libidinal sense we're primed to want the sarmats and minutemen to fly to give us a nice clean delineation between the time of order and the time of horror, but we're going to get denied that. i don't know which outcome is more hopeful and which one is more depressing, the all at once horror of MAD civilizational light switch or the wet fart of increasing conventional resource wars and corporate consolidation and fire seasons and food scarcity and and Owlbear Camus has issued a correction as of 22:23 on Mar 20, 2024 |
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DancingShade posted:Jimmy Dore is saying due to failed recuiting goals for the US military that legislation is being passed to allow undocumented migrants to join up. SERVICE GUARANTEES CITIZENSHIP!
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Children of Men probably got it right. Crumbling everything, homeless everywhere, mass depression, bombs with your morning latte.
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Ted Wassanasong posted:SERVICE GUARANTEES CITIZENSHIP! *Not an actual guarantee.
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sullat posted:Remember that Congress built a $900 million fear bunker for themselves after 9/11 and then on 1/6 they had to abandon it and run away because one of the Congress persons left the door open deliberately for the people outside. During part of the Cold War the UK government’s plan was to use car ferries as floating nuclear bunkers lol
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DancingShade posted:*Not an actual guarantee. https://www.pbssocal.org/shows/voces/the-u-s-has-deported-thousands-of-veterans-a-new-policy-change-offers-new-hope-for-soldiers-left-behind quote:The U.S. has deported tens of thousands of military veterans since the passage of the Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act of 1996. Some estimates point to at least 94,000. A majority of the service members deported were legal residents who committed at least three misdemeanors, making them deportable. the us can't even aspire to verhoven's ridiculous fascist satire lol. or, perhaps it's more accurate to say it accelerates beyond satire. quote:Contrary to popular belief, military service does not automatically confer citizenship. As a result of our nation’s draconian and punitive immigration laws, immigrant military veterans – some of whom have been wounded during service and/or decorated – are still subject to deportation. lol we don't even have that cool french thing about spilling blood for our dumbass country. sorry about your arm but you caught a charge for shoplifting from the kroger, back to guatemala with you
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DancingShade posted:Children of Men probably got it right. Crumbling everything, homeless everywhere, mass depression, bombs with your morning latte. no doubt
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Did the Roman empire do something similarly hosed up? Lied to the war veterans about becoming citizens and kicked them out to the tribal regions?
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zetamind2000 posted:losers study vietnam, winners study grenada Man I fuckin tried, there are like no books about the invasion of Grenada
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stephenthinkpad posted:Did the Roman empire do something similarly hosed up? Lied to the war veterans about becoming citizens and kicked them out to the tribal regions? the republic did a thing where if you were already a citizen with land and went off to fight, when you finally came back your farm was now a weed infested wasteland and you had nowhere near enough money to survive long enough to fix it, so you had no choice but to sell it to a predatory land consolidator for peanuts and then live in a lovely apartment everyone who tried to fix this got assassinated and then they had to replace their citizen army with mercenaries and then the republic collapsed because every time someone rich had political trouble they would take their private army and start a civil war
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rome tried to shun sulla's veterans and they all got fed up and joined the catilinarian conspiracy, which failed, but they didnt try and screw the soldiers again like that and attacking rome was not held against you because everyone was doing it
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stephenthinkpad posted:Did the Roman empire do something similarly hosed up? Lied to the war veterans about becoming citizens and kicked them out to the tribal regions? This was one of the causes of the Gothic wars yeah
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I imagine that revolting and couping after getting rugpulled by the government isn't as feasible as it was in Rome since warfare is done with incredibly capital intensive technologies rather than you and the boys vs. them and their boys. A paramilitary private force in ancient times had roughly the same technology available to the state military and it was mostly a question of numbers and logistics, but you're not going to muster an air wing unless you can get them to defect, which has a ton of logistical problems related to maintenance and supplies.
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Tankbuster posted:No, they generally gave them land lol. Back then, those guys could pick their swords and shields back up if the Romans pissed them off by screwing them over. Now? Well, there's no legion of X ethnic group that's going to rise in revolt. The US can ship every immigrant veteran back to their home countries and not have to bother with the lifelong medical or societal costs of their injuries. It's cheaper that way. That's what matters in the end now. Whether you are generating value for the empire or not.
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US veterans will be ground up and sold to new recruits as hamburgers.
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cock hero flux posted:the republic did a thing where if you were already a citizen with land and went off to fight, when you finally came back your farm was now a weed infested wasteland and you had nowhere near enough money to survive long enough to fix it, so you had no choice but to sell it to a predatory land consolidator for peanuts and then live in a lovely apartment drat good thing we fixed that
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skooma512 posted:I imagine that revolting and couping after getting rugpulled by the government isn't as feasible as it was in Rome since warfare is done with incredibly capital intensive technologies rather than you and the boys vs. them and their boys. A paramilitary private force in ancient times had roughly the same technology available to the state military and it was mostly a question of numbers and logistics, but you're not going to muster an air wing unless you can get them to defect, which has a ton of logistical problems related to maintenance and supplies. yeah but this only holds as long as there is a state military. by the end of the republic it had essentially evaporated entirely in the sense that it had previously existed. when a state fully commits to loving over the soldiers of its citizen army it eventually stops having one. this is what happened in Rome: citizens who were called into service were expected to mostly provide their own equipment, and citizens who were so poor that they couldn't afford a helmet and a bag of rocks to throw at people were exempt from military service. well, things eventually got so bad that there simply weren't enough citizens that weren't so poor as to be exempt to fill the need for soldiers that Rome had. this problem was "solved" by rich people paying for the equipment and wages needed to recruit armies from the poor, who were happy to join because they were desperate for a paycheck. The inevitable consequence of this, though, is that these new armies were not state armies. They were loyal to the rich guy that bought their equipment and paid their wages. the US system is even more fragile because the citizen army is all-volunteer. they don't need to impoverish all of their citizens to the point where they're exempt, they just have to make the army such an unappealing prospect that no one will willingly join. and given that i keep hearing about how soldiers are paid barely enough money to buy food(which any functioning military in history would have provided for them) and live in decaying barracks full of black mold, it doesn't sound like that's far off. faced with the eventual choice between actually paying them or allowing the almighty hand of the free market to take over, which do you think the current ruling class will choose?
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Tankbuster posted:No, they generally gave them land lol. Which they often sold because honestly farming sucks and if you've been in the legions for 25 years it's hard to learn how to farm.
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We've discussed it to death but the combination of "all volunteer" and "no social contract" is not just "unsustainable", it's actively destabilizing.
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skooma512 posted:Then I imagine they'll be doing away with all-volunteer if they have to. the country started coming apart at the seams the last time they had a draft and odds are it would be even worse if they tried it now the inevitable outcome really is just that they privatize most of the military. they've already done some of this.
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skooma512 posted:Then I imagine they'll be doing away with all-volunteer if they have to. Beyond sending the homeless and prisoners to war, I don’t think there’s much political capacity for a broader draft. Ignoring popular opinion, I’m talking about real politics: business owners. Small business owners already whine they can’t get enough workers, they’d throw a fit if their burger flippers were getting drafted.
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Trabisnikof posted:Beyond sending the homeless and prisoners to war, I don’t think there’s much political capacity for a broader draft. Ignoring popular opinion, I’m talking about real politics: business owners. Solution: you get drafted into flipping burgers for small business owners any time you're not getting sent to die in Yemen
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