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Charliegrs posted:Is it really anticompetitive for a company to have it's fingers in so many pies? Because I always thought anticompetitive meant a company buys out all it's competitors. As far as I know there's still plenty of music streaming services and movies studios besides Apple. But maybe I'm missing something. Yes vertical integration can be anticompetitive, here's a talk on it from 29 years ago but it's still a good breakdown of the basic concerns. Basically a vertically integrated firm can manipulate one market to impede competitors in another (for example, Apple using its ownership of the app store to delist apps that don't integrate with certain Apple services) quote:How can a vertical merger increase barriers to entry? The first general category of anticompetitive theories posits that, in certain instances, vertical integration can foreclose rivals from access to needed inputs or raise their costs of obtaining them. For example, in a recent article, Professors Riordan and Salop have developed further anticompetitive theories of "raising rivals' costs," where a vertically integrated company may be able to increase the costs of its rivals in either the upstream or downstream market. Such foreclosure effect can raise prices or reduce quality or innovation to consumers downstream. Ultimately, such a foreclosure effect may require that firms seeking to enter one of the markets must enter both markets, significantly increasing the difficulty of entry.
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Charliegrs posted:Is it really anticompetitive for a company to have it's fingers in so many pies? Because I always thought anticompetitive meant a company buys out all it's competitors. As far as I know there's still plenty of music streaming services and movies studios besides Apple. But maybe I'm missing something. There's a difference between just having a monopoly and monopoly abuse. This lawsuit is focused almost entirely on Apple's treatment of third party iPhone developers and whether the rules and limitations they have to play by are fair. The only mentions of streaming are in the context of cloud gaming clients, which were nonviable on the store until recently thanks to those rules Vertical media integration is a whole different conversation in which Apple is a much smaller player (although I do agree that we need the Paramount decree restored and applied to streaming platforms)
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Counterpoint: letting auto manufacturers vertically integrate cannot possibly be any worse than the current dealership model
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Nissin Cup Nudist posted:Counterpoint: letting auto manufacturers vertically integrate cannot possibly be any worse than the current dealership model That's just another type of monopoly that would be better addressed by right-to-repair laws.
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https://twitter.com/financialjuice/status/1770842520487969165 Apple's gonna go to the mat over this one. That official is just speaking to the press, but I think Apple is going to raise hell in DC. The DOJ I'm sure has an air-tight case. Nonsense fucked around with this message at 18:50 on Mar 21, 2024 |
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Mar 21, 2024 18:48
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Allow me to be the first to make the "juice the Apple" joke.
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Mar 21, 2024 18:49
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Looks like it's time to juice the apple  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^gently caress
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loving finally. I expect it to bow to capital, but at least it's something.
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SpaceX and Amazon are already trying to sue to get the regulatory state dismantled by SCOTUS, would this open the way for Apple to join them?
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https://twitter.com/IsaacDovere/status/1770822986938916906 It's March and the Trump campaign is already running out of money. BTW Ohio is probably a lock for him already, AZ is not, so I don't know in what way that could possibly be more politically advantageous https://twitter.com/MikeSington/status/1770789457257480640 She won't even lie and say no. He is such a massive security risk.
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DarkHorse posted:SpaceX and Amazon are already trying to sue to get the regulatory state dismantled by SCOTUS, would this open the way for Apple to join them? Probably? They're going to do anything and everything they can to avoid being broken up and have almost unlimited cash to do it with. Not sure why we should expect anything less
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koolkal posted:That's just another type of monopoly that would be better addressed by right-to-repair laws. Unless I'm misunderstanding what you mean by right to repair, it doesn't solve the car dealership problem. Most states have laws (sometimes with exceptions for EVs or Tesla) that ban manufacturers from selling cars to consumers.
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zoux posted:https://twitter.com/RollingStone/status/1770817640522481928 They call it a 15-week abortion ban, but isn't this effectively legalizing abortion up until 15 weeks? That's more generous than a bunch of European countries.
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It would set a hard cap at 15 weeks and let states go lower
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Most of those European countries have incredibly generous health, mental health, rape and incest exceptions. Speaking of incest, there is a whole lot more of it in the US than thought. https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2024/03/dna-tests-incest/677791/ 1 in 7000 people in the US is a child of mom-son, dad-daughter or brother-sister incest. That's living people. Maybe if we cut down on the family loving we could cut down on the incest?
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zoux posted:https://twitter.com/IsaacDovere/status/1770822986938916906 Big attendance at an Ohio rally probably makes Citizen Snowflake feel better Or maybe they're trying to flip Sherrod Brown's seat? That still doesn't explain since Arizona's seat is in play with Sinema out, right?
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It may be as simple as Ohio being somewhere he thinks he can get more fundraising. He’s living a minute at a time, he’s not thinking about senate seats.
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Jesus III posted:Most of those European countries have incredibly generous health, mental health, rape and incest exceptions. I don't think I've ever considered what the actual rate would be, besides more common than murder, less than shoplifting. That seems like a lot??
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Jesus III posted:Most of those European countries have incredibly generous health, mental health, rape and incest exceptions. Trying to make SEC country go extinct?
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rkd_ posted:They call it a 15-week abortion ban, but isn't this effectively legalizing abortion up until 15 weeks? That's more generous than a bunch of European countries. They "endorse" a 15-week abortion ban, but they also endorse the "Life at Conception Act" which explicitly declares that the Constitutionally-guaranteed right to life is applied to fetuses, with no lower limit on age. How are those two positions in any way consistent? They're not. The RSC isn't trying to come up with a consistent or coherent policy platform, they're just listing every single abortion-related bill any national Republican has proposed over the past few years. The list of abortion-related bills they "endorse" is literally four pages long. It's nothing more than advertising material for 2024. They've given up on having consistent policy positions and are just shouting "look at how many abortion-restriction proposals we've come up with". Same goes for every other issue in this so-called budget, too. Here's the full Abortion section from that "policy" release. quote:Right to Life Don't know how that compares to European countries, but the 15-week ban bill is listed right below a heartbeat bill and a "life at conception" bill, so they're not even trying to be consistent here.
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Roll Tide! But seriously, a lot of that incest is from rape and it is concentrated in poorer families. Expect the amount of incest babies to rise in the south.
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Main Paineframe posted:They "endorse" a 15-week abortion ban, but they also endorse the "Life at Conception Act" which explicitly declares that the Constitutionally-guaranteed right to life is applied to fetuses, with no lower limit on age. They're just doing the Donald Trump method of endorsing literally all possible positions so people will decide they are just trying to appeal to other people and actually only want whatever the person personally wants.
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Kchama posted:They're just doing the Donald Trump method of endorsing literally all possible positions so people will decide they are just trying to appeal to other people and actually only want whatever the person personally wants. There's not really any other way they can do it. Just look at how the House GOP has been - the party is so divided and prone to infighting that it's impossible for them to agree on anything besides "we should try to appeal to right-wing voters" and "Democrats are evil and leftists are monsters". Some Republicans are diehard believers who want a total abortion ban, while others want to merely restrict abortions according to what's politically popular and what's not. The RSC was incapable of hammering out a compromise between those two groups, so the party just doesn't have an official position on it beyond "abortion is bad and the Democrats are evil monsters".
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https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/half-haley-voters-ohio-back-biden/story?id=108290136 Haley got 14% of the Ohio vote, despite ending her campaign only two weeks after absentee voting opened. Exit polling of those who voted in person reveals half say they will vote for Biden, with a significant number saying they would not vote for either Trump or Biden. Granted a motivated and biased pool, but it's significant that one in seven republican primary voters went for Haley and half of those say they'll back Biden.
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rkd_ posted:They call it a 15-week abortion ban, but isn't this effectively legalizing abortion up until 15 weeks? That's more generous than a bunch of European countries. We can discuss having a European style abortion ban once we have European style healthcare.
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DarkHorse posted:https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/half-haley-voters-ohio-back-biden/story?id=108290136 Was Ohio an open primary?
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rkd_ posted:They call it a 15-week abortion ban, but isn't this effectively legalizing abortion up until 15 weeks? That's more generous than a bunch of European countries. brugroffil posted:It would set a hard cap at 15 weeks and let states go lower Yes, the important difference here is that there is no European abortion legislation. Each country has its own laws. Now, the European Court of Human Rights has made rulings that have led to changes in laws that have clashed with the European Convention on Human Rights. But some countries have a lax abortion legislation, some very conservative, and it's not uncommon for women in some countries to travel to neighbouring countries to get the healthcare they need. Meatball posted:We can discuss having a European style abortion ban once we have European style healthcare. It's also worthwhile to point out that there is no European healthcare, each country has its own system. Though the contrast to US healthcare is obvious and people generally have the expectation that they deserve to have affordable public healthcare and get angry if it doesn't work that way. The well to do skip the queues and go to private clinics which are also part of the system.
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https://x.com/michellelprice/status/1770880210453307412?s=46&t=A_iY-gupVf13dcIJPetZhQ He’s fleecing them and they love it.
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I personally find it pretty gross that many countries in Europe apparently have a 15 week ban and feel like they should do better for their citizens.
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Zwabu posted:Was Ohio an open primary? No (if I understand the concept correctly) but you get to choose which ballot you want at time of voting. I know there's a decent amount of crossover from Dem voters choosing a R ballot because that's the vote that matters, since the R will win in the general.
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Professor Beetus posted:I personally find it pretty gross that many countries in Europe apparently have a 15 week ban and feel like they should do better for their citizens. It's 12-14 weeks mostly, and it's more complex than that. For example, this is the rules in Finland: quote:According to the Law on Termination of Pregnancy (239/1970, Abortion Act), pregnancy can be terminated at the request of the woman up to 12 weeks of pregnancy. The request does not have to be justified. Criminal and foetal grounds are also covered if the pregnancy lasts up to 12 weeks. There's no hard ban, but 12 weeks is the limit for deciding on your own. Then you need to have some reason to get permit. Meanwhile in Malta abortion is always illegal except if you get three specialists to agree that a woman's life is at risk. Which is bonkers.
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Nenonen posted:Meanwhile in Malta abortion is always illegal except if you get three specialists to agree that a woman's life is at risk. Which is bonkers. So not only do you need to get a second opinion but a third?
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DarkHorse posted:No (if I understand the concept correctly) but you get to choose which ballot you want at time of voting. Then it counts as an open primary - an open primary is one where you can vote on the ballot of your choice without having to register in advance. Here's a ballotpedia article about it which lists Ohio we am open primary state: https://ballotpedia.org/Open_primary
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Unless we have actual data you can't assume there were crowds of democrats wasting their time in line to vote against him in some grand scheme. Or Republicans doing the same. If it's available cool let's take a look, otherwise we are left to assume people voted as they wished.
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Florida and Arizona are closed and Haley got 14% and 18%. It looks like Arizona early voting started before Haley dropped out, but Florida is all after.
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Civilized Fishbot posted:Then it counts as an open primary - an open primary is one where you can vote on the ballot of your choice without having to register in advance. The places I looked it up called it "partially open" whatever that means
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DarkHorse posted:The places I looked it up called it "partially open" whatever that means I believe that means if you're registered for a party, you can only vote in that party's primary but if you're unenrolled you get to choose one
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rkd_ posted:They call it a 15-week abortion ban, but isn't this effectively legalizing abortion up until 15 weeks? That's more generous than a bunch of European countries. Don't be fooled by this poo poo. They've always said - in bad faith - that they're not looking to ban abortion. However, even under Roe, it just so happened that in Republican run states: - There were waiting periods, often multiple days, meaning if you had to travel to the clinic you'd incur travel expenses multiple times and maybe even need to pay for a hotel stay. Not an option for poor women. - The doctor would be forced to tell you a bunch of bullshit like "abortions increase the rate of breast cancer", despite it being simply untrue and even bad medical advice - Mandatory ultrasounds, including transvaginal ultrasounds which literally require placing a probe in the vagina -- something women may not want, may find uncomfortable (even painful), may feel violates their body, etc. And it may not be medically necessary. - Forcing the woman to look at pictures of the fetus - Mandatory inpatient services being available at any abortion clinic, even if not necessary to deliver high quality medical care, simply because this raises the expense of running the clinic and will cause clinics to shut down. Mississippi infamously had ONE abortion clinic for the entire state due to these sorts of laws, which were having the intended effect. - Laws allowed pro-life protestors near the abortion clinics, meaning women could be screamed at, humiliated, threatened, etc., as they walked inside. Many clinics had literal escorts who would walk with the women to help them feel safe, but that can only do so much good in the face of a mob screaming "DON'T KILL YOUR BABY! DON'T BE A KILLER! YOU WILL GO TO HELL!" at you. Those are just the things I can remember off the top of my head. The Republicans know a straightforward, undisguised abortion ban is deeply unpopular and is absolutely an electoral loser. They've known this for decades. So they're gonna crow loudly about a "fifteen week ban" to make themselves sound moderate and compassionate, then they're gonna actually pass laws which make even an abortion in those fifteen weeks unobtainable for any woman who isn't wealthy enough to just spend her way through the red tape. You have absolutely got to remember that they're doing this in bad faith. Don't fall for it. Chimp_On_Stilts fucked around with this message at 00:23 on Mar 22, 2024 |
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All of the overt racists/misogynists who lost on Civil Rights immediately jumped ship to abortion as a proxy war against the poor / minorities / women after the CRA was passed. Lee Atwater didn't specifically call out abortion in his famous quote about dog whistling being the entire Republican platform, but it's equally as true. They don't give a gently caress about states' rights and they sure as gently caress don't care about "babies".
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rkd_ posted:They call it a 15-week abortion ban, but isn't this effectively legalizing abortion up until 15 weeks? That's more generous than a bunch of European countries. There would still be be stricter/outright bans in red states
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