Bone Crimes posted:

I don’t know the key value if the Mach E over the Model Y other than the CEO problem, and it seems to be more expensive than the Y.

KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:

what's the battery longevity concern with BMW and Audi?

Bone Crimes posted:

Nissan: Ya blew it.

quote:

1. Trade-in your vehicle for a new Ford or Lincoln

2. Pay-off* your vehicle

3. Refinance** your vehicle with Ford Credit

4. Transfer ownership*** of your vehicle to Ford Credit to satisfy your balloon balance

^{*Pay-off amount will include balloon balance and any other amounts due under the terms of the contract.
**If you wish to refinance your balance with Ford Credit, you must contact us no later than 30 days prior to the balloon payment due date by mailing your request to Ford Credit, Attn: Maildrop 438, P.O. Box 6890007, Franklin, TN 37068-9007, or by calling us at 1-800-727-7000 (8:00 A.M. to 8:00 P.M. EST, Mon-Fri). Refinance amount will include balloon balance and any other amounts due.
***Ownership transfer satisfies your balloon balance. You are responsible for any other amounts due including disposal fee, late charges etc.}

Nitrox posted:

If you already financed the car, why would you refinance it at exactly the same rate? I may not understand how that work program works

Nitrox posted:

If you already financed the car, why would you refinance it at exactly the same rate? I may not understand how that work program works

Bone Crimes posted:

Bone Crimes posted:

Nissan: Ya blew it.

Bone Crimes posted:

My perception of the state of the EVs in the U.S.

Tayter Swift posted:

Mazda's floundering as well. The MX-30 had 130 miles of range and still needed over half an hour for 20-80% charge.

Bone Crimes posted:

My perception of the state of the EVs in the U.S.
Tesla: The value proposition seems to be declining, but still the best value currently? With the opening of the supercharger network to others, it seems like Tesla being the ‘clear choice’ as it kinda was previously, is no longer true. CEO, both from political and management perspective is a significant negative. I don’t consider FSD as a real thing, so no advantage there, and the base autopilot, while pretty good, seems to be on par with other systems now. Still has the best software overall maybe?

Model 3: New version is kinda better but is flawed with no stalks. This is pretty much a deal killer for me and others. Still a pretty good value tho, if you can deal with it?
Model Y: Pretty popular, good value, doesn’t have the stalk-less design yet. Seems like the current ‘default’ choice.
Model X and S: Seems like they’ve been eclipsed in their space by other options.
Cybertruck: When this was pitched (awfully I might add, I’m still stunned at how bad that presentation was) I thought the key advantage was cost per unit range, and a low cost version. This has not panned out, at all, and looking at it, I don’t think it ever will. So beyond clout chasing, I’m not sure the type of buyer that wants one of these over a F150 Lightning or a R1T.

VW: I am not sure what the heck is going on with them. Seems like the ID4 is ok, I see lots of them around in my area, but it’s not super compelling with a bunch of annoyances that owners talk about – software, buttons, dash lights. Overall though, seems like the primary alternative to the Model Y, and seems it might have better build quality, but no real key feature that is better than the Y. Still they were supposed to be all-in on electric as a company, but still only have 1 ev model in the US? Weak. I think my main issue is that they seem super slow to introduce the cars that people want? Where is the ID Buzz? – we’re nearly in Q2 2024, I guess the ID 7 is coming, maybe? Will the wagon come to the U.S.? Who knows? Really wanted to buy a VW when I was in the market in 2019, but no dice, and they have not done much since.

Rivian: I hope they make it. I’m very interested in the proposed models, particularly the R3. Owners I’ve talked to seem to really like the R1T and R1S. Fingers crossed they’re around when I’m ready to buy again.

Ford: Both their offerings seem pretty decent, but I don’t know the key value if the Mach E over the Model Y other than the CEO problem, and it seems to be more expensive than the Y. Was really interested in the V2H stuff in the F150L, but it seems like that doesn’t work as well as hoped. Why is this so hard?

Nissan: Ya blew it.

Toyota/Subaru: Just not serious it seems. Their PHEVs seem fine, but the comical recalls, and the really bad specs of the BZ4X just seem like a last minute ‘get something out there’ effort. Feels like they are still waiting for evs to fail. Do we know anything really about their upcoming EV cars? Is it all BS?

GM: What the hell is going on? There seemed to be a big wind up, and then… nothing? Is the problem batteries? Is it software? Both the Blazer and the Lyric seem pretty cool, but it seems they can’t make enough of them, or deliver what they have? Just a non-confidence-inspiring fumble. Just learned from the post above that the Silverado actually exists?

Kia/Hyundai: Seem pretty compelling, with their smaller cars and the EV9. Definitely seeing a lot of them recently, and would be considering a EV9 if I was in the market at the moment. Seem to have made some good technology choices (decent efficiency ,800v) , and have not made any ‘deal killer/dumb’ decisions like removing stalks, or capacitive steering wheel buttons. Could be a possibility, but then I'd have to deal with a dealer.

BMW/Audi: Value case for me personally is not there so I haven’t been following them closely. I’ve seen a few BMW EVs and they are not really my thing, style wise, and aren't as utilitarian for my particular taste. I’ve seen a few Audis, and they look totally generic (which might be fine) but their value case when compared to other EVs seems pretty bad. I also have concerns on their battery longevity.

Porsche/Lucid: Too expensive for me, but seem really nice.

I think overall, it’s a weird time in the EV space. Maybe the thing is that we’re beyond the stage where a company can say ‘here’s an ev!’ and folks will buy regardless (at a premium even!), and we’re now in the stage where people will not buy a BZ4X (or whatever)on brand loyalty or whatever, because is just doesn’t have the core features that other cars do. I’m sure the combo of the addition of more EV choices and the interest rate increase also made companies make some hard decisions, and we’re still seeing that pan out. Also features are changing fast enough that waiting sometimes makes sense.

What I would really want:
Functional (big interior, hitch receiver, outlets, seating for 5 or more), efficient, hatchback or wagon, with V2G, and ~300 miles of range and no boneheaded crap for a reasonable price.

Thanks, I’ll have a #2 with fries.

kill me now posted:

10.65% is probably really an 8.65% buy rate from the bank and if its an 84 month loan its an outside bank.

That its kind of what non subvented financing rates are at these days for someone with ok credit on that sort of term.

Still wild that the bank would approve someone with $0 down on a 107k loan that's worth at most $79k at MSRP. Thought I guess its only 135% of the MSRP but still.

Nfcknblvbl posted:

The Model 3 is quite big, fits my family of 4 nicely. I doubt the Ioniq 6 can do that.

Bone Crimes posted:

My perception of the state of the EVs in the U.S.
Tesla: The value proposition seems to be declining, but still the best value currently? With the opening of the supercharger network to others, it seems like Tesla being the ‘clear choice’ as it kinda was previously, is no longer true. CEO, both from political and management perspective is a significant negative. I don’t consider FSD as a real thing, so no advantage there, and the base autopilot, while pretty good, seems to be on par with other systems now. Still has the best software overall maybe?

Model 3: New version is kinda better but is flawed with no stalks. This is pretty much a deal killer for me and others. Still a pretty good value tho, if you can deal with it?
Model Y: Pretty popular, good value, doesn’t have the stalk-less design yet. Seems like the current ‘default’ choice.
Model X and S: Seems like they’ve been eclipsed in their space by other options.
Cybertruck: When this was pitched (awfully I might add, I’m still stunned at how bad that presentation was) I thought the key advantage was cost per unit range, and a low cost version. This has not panned out, at all, and looking at it, I don’t think it ever will. So beyond clout chasing, I’m not sure the type of buyer that wants one of these over a F150 Lightning or a R1T.

VW: I am not sure what the heck is going on with them. Seems like the ID4 is ok, I see lots of them around in my area, but it’s not super compelling with a bunch of annoyances that owners talk about – software, buttons, dash lights. Overall though, seems like the primary alternative to the Model Y, and seems it might have better build quality, but no real key feature that is better than the Y. Still they were supposed to be all-in on electric as a company, but still only have 1 ev model in the US? Weak. I think my main issue is that they seem super slow to introduce the cars that people want? Where is the ID Buzz? – we’re nearly in Q2 2024, I guess the ID 7 is coming, maybe? Will the wagon come to the U.S.? Who knows? Really wanted to buy a VW when I was in the market in 2019, but no dice, and they have not done much since.

Rivian: I hope they make it. I’m very interested in the proposed models, particularly the R3. Owners I’ve talked to seem to really like the R1T and R1S. Fingers crossed they’re around when I’m ready to buy again.

Ford: Both their offerings seem pretty decent, but I don’t know the key value if the Mach E over the Model Y other than the CEO problem, and it seems to be more expensive than the Y. Was really interested in the V2H stuff in the F150L, but it seems like that doesn’t work as well as hoped. Why is this so hard?

Nissan: Ya blew it.

Toyota/Subaru: Just not serious it seems. Their PHEVs seem fine, but the comical recalls, and the really bad specs of the BZ4X just seem like a last minute ‘get something out there’ effort. Feels like they are still waiting for evs to fail. Do we know anything really about their upcoming EV cars? Is it all BS?

GM: What the hell is going on? There seemed to be a big wind up, and then… nothing? Is the problem batteries? Is it software? Both the Blazer and the Lyric seem pretty cool, but it seems they can’t make enough of them, or deliver what they have? Just a non-confidence-inspiring fumble. Just learned from the post above that the Silverado actually exists?

Kia/Hyundai: Seem pretty compelling, with their smaller cars and the EV9. Definitely seeing a lot of them recently, and would be considering a EV9 if I was in the market at the moment. Seem to have made some good technology choices (decent efficiency ,800v) , and have not made any ‘deal killer/dumb’ decisions like removing stalks, or capacitive steering wheel buttons. Could be a possibility, but then I'd have to deal with a dealer.

BMW/Audi: Value case for me personally is not there so I haven’t been following them closely. I’ve seen a few BMW EVs and they are not really my thing, style wise, and aren't as utilitarian for my particular taste. I’ve seen a few Audis, and they look totally generic (which might be fine) but their value case when compared to other EVs seems pretty bad. I also have concerns on their battery longevity.

Porsche/Lucid: Too expensive for me, but seem really nice.

I think overall, it’s a weird time in the EV space. Maybe the thing is that we’re beyond the stage where a company can say ‘here’s an ev!’ and folks will buy regardless (at a premium even!), and we’re now in the stage where people will not buy a BZ4X (or whatever)on brand loyalty or whatever, because is just doesn’t have the core features that other cars do. I’m sure the combo of the addition of more EV choices and the interest rate increase also made companies make some hard decisions, and we’re still seeing that pan out. Also features are changing fast enough that waiting sometimes makes sense.

What I would really want:
Functional (big interior, hitch receiver, outlets, seating for 5 or more), efficient, hatchback or wagon, with V2G, and ~300 miles of range and no boneheaded crap for a reasonable price.

Thanks, I’ll have a #2 with fries.

Beffer posted:

No mention of Chinese cars at all? Are they entirely unavailable in the states?

Clayton Bigsby posted:

Sweden stuff.

Beffer posted:

No mention of Chinese cars at all? Are they entirely unavailable in the states? BYD is the biggest ev maker in the world, I think if you include phevs.

priznat posted:

Their CX-90 PHEV looks interesting but I decided to not go for the first model year of an all new drivetrain

KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:

yeah: dont name your cars

Impossibly Perfect Sphere posted:

From my anecdotal reading there are a lot of CX-90 lemons coming off the line. New model, new platform, new drivetrain. Bad time.

cruft posted:

Fun fact: all Telsas have a bit of stored text that is the car's name. You can set it to whatever you want, I think the default might be "KYOON GRIFFEY JR'S CYBERTRUCK".

When you set up the Tesla app as a key to enter and start the car, you have to select which car you want to enter and start, and having the names is very helpful when, for instance, your sister in law has a car that looks exactly like yours.

This name is also used when you bluetooth pair to the car, which is handy when you want to delete a pairing. I believe the LEAF shows up as "MY CAR"

Muscle Tracer posted:

This is also true in the Ford app. Our Bronco is named Karen.

cruft posted:

Dad is coming by in the next hour in the LEAF, which we will take to the Tesla service center so he can pick up his white model Y with white seats. I still feel like there's a 20% chance he'll nope out of this somehow, my wife has it at 40%.

He wants to name it "casper" which I think is lame and unimaginative. Any suggestions from the live studio audience?

cruft posted:

Dad is coming by in the next hour in the LEAF, which we will take to the Tesla service center so he can pick up his white model Y with white seats. I still feel like there's a 20% chance he'll nope out of this somehow, my wife has it at 40%.

He wants to name it "casper" which I think is lame and unimaginative. Any suggestions from the live studio audience?