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Tigey posted:Yeah some people are desperate to find secret masterplans that prove they were right about AmeriKKKan intentions toward Ukraine all along. I think there is a side of that but I do think there is a lot of “if Russia implodes, poo poo might get way worse real quick, and we already have a bunch of international crisis right now” that being said, I don’t think we will actually do anything negative towards the Ukrainians outside some vague strong words and then just continue to feed them targets and data.
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Mar 22, 2024 12:02
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Ukraine should do everything it can to blast Russia back to the stone age. gently caress the monke.
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Mar 22, 2024 13:04
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The strikes on Russian infrastructure seem to have limited effect on Russia's ability to prosecute the war anyway. They are good propaganda moves for Ukraine, they pull focus away from Russia's slow, grinding advance. But it's easy to see why even Ukraine's backers wouldn't be happy to accept higher gas prices in exchange for it.
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Mar 22, 2024 13:17
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anonumos posted:Ukraine should do everything it can to blast Russia back to the stone age. gently caress the monke.  e: LMAO FUUUUUCK I forgot about bronze and iron age what the heck LOL.
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Mar 22, 2024 13:24
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Gripweed posted:The strikes on Russian infrastructure seem to have limited effect on Russia's ability to prosecute the war anyway. They are good propaganda moves for Ukraine, they pull focus away from Russia's slow, grinding advance. But it's easy to see why even Ukraine's backers wouldn't be happy to accept higher gas prices in exchange for it. Blowing up refineries won't have an instant impact on the war, but it will absolutely slow down reinforcements and supplies in the weeks and months to come. Either from the money lost on exporting fuel products/importing at a premium, or the actual physical absence of gas/diesel to drive to the front lines. Arguably its the only thing Ukraine can do right now to affect Russia's ability to prosecute the war, because they don't have the weapons to blow up thousands of Russian tanks.
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Mar 22, 2024 13:28
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beer_war posted:https://x.com/ChristopherJM/status/1771043226352275595?s=20 Russia is indeed the only oil exporter in the world. Also just let russia collapse and/or balkanize with everything involved. Russians deserve another chance at a new democratically elected government they can piss away and invade neighbours again, since they miss stalin or some poo poo. Russia surviving the war anywhere near its current stat means just another war in a decade or two. Pretending otherwise is stupid and western take. haddedam fucked around with this message at 13:36 on Mar 22, 2024 |
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Mar 22, 2024 13:30
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Gripweed posted:The strikes on Russian infrastructure seem to have limited effect on Russia's ability to prosecute the war anyway. They are good propaganda moves for Ukraine, they pull focus away from Russia's slow, grinding advance. But it's easy to see why even Ukraine's backers wouldn't be happy to accept higher gas prices in exchange for it. That cannot be true, given that they've knocked out significant amounts of refining capability. That's critical for armored warfare.
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Mar 22, 2024 13:33
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Gripweed posted:The strikes on Russian infrastructure seem to have limited effect on Russia's ability to prosecute the war anyway. They are good propaganda moves for Ukraine, they pull focus away from Russia's slow, grinding advance. But it's easy to see why even Ukraine's backers wouldn't be happy to accept higher gas prices in exchange for it. Just a heads up but Russia has banned the export of gasoline for 6 months.
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Mar 22, 2024 13:36
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steinrokkan posted:That's not true, though... The US admin doesn't want the Russian government to fail catastrophically, as in be toppled due to its failures, but nobody in any position of authority anywhere wants that. They would like Russia to lose, but in the form of a negotiated withdrawal based on a cost benefit analysis. Which is perhaps naive, but there really isn't any other option. the fact that Russia is now in year whatever of the 3 day special military operation should clue these clowns in that Putin isn't interested in money based risk benefit analysis, or, forcing the issue into terms that they might understand, Putin puts the value of being a conquering hero and/or restoring Greater Russia at $Texas.
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Mar 22, 2024 13:39
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I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!
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haddedam posted:
The concept of sovereignty kills more people than it saves IMO. It should only apply to genuine democracies at most. There mustn't always be a Russia.
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Mar 22, 2024 13:40
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CommieGIR posted:That cannot be true, given that they've knocked out significant amounts of refining capability. That's critical for armored warfare. yeah but they can do stuff like this Tai posted:Just a heads up but Russia has banned the export of gasoline for 6 months. It's not like Russia is literally going to run out of gas for their tank. If they have less gas available, they will of course prioritize the military. They can stop exporting, they can enforce rationing for civilian use, they can get more severe on their rationing, etc. It will of course be bad for the economy. But as they say, no financial pressure has ever stopped a war in progress.
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Mar 22, 2024 13:45
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haddedam posted:Russia surviving the war anywhere near its current stat means just another war in a decade or two. Pretending otherwise is stupid and western take. While I fully understand this line of thinking it's very pessimistic. This assumes two things - in a decade or two Russia is in a better place to make war than it is now and that only Russia does anything in the next two decades.
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Mar 22, 2024 13:49
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https://twitter.com/NOELreports/status/1771137908419809628 3000 divided by the approx. 500-600 that were actually sent there means they were all killed at least 4 to 5 times, possibly more in some cases
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Mar 22, 2024 13:56
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Gripweed posted:
Read again what you posted.
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Mar 22, 2024 14:09
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Gripweed posted:It's not like Russia is literally going to run out of gas for their tank. If they have less gas available, they will of course prioritize the military. They can stop exporting, they can enforce rationing for civilian use, they can get more severe on their rationing, etc. Their tanks and most of their trucks are diesel. The ban on export of gasoline is to try to hide the impact from the population, who use the gasoline more.
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Mar 22, 2024 14:18
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Congratulations Russia, on the end of the Special Military Operation!
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Mar 22, 2024 14:19
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Mar 22, 2024 14:21
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Vampire Panties posted:Blowing up refineries won't have an instant impact on the war, but it will absolutely slow down reinforcements and supplies in the weeks and months to come. Either from the money lost on exporting fuel products/importing at a premium, or the actual physical absence of gas/diesel to drive to the front lines. Arguably its the only thing Ukraine can do right now to affect Russia's ability to prosecute the war, because they don't have the weapons to blow up thousands of Russian tanks. It's funny that every time there seems to be something that has an effect, only for unnamed sources to say 'Ha, it is having no effect, in fact it is hurting you worse than it hurts us! So you may as well stop! ...please?'
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Mar 22, 2024 14:27
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well poo poo no wonder they haven't been able to win they brought a special military operation knife to a warfight
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Mar 22, 2024 14:29
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Funky See Funky Do posted:While I fully understand this line of thinking it's very pessimistic. This assumes two things - in a decade or two Russia is in a better place to make war than it is now and that only Russia does anything in the next two decades. As someone of population and citizenship of a country and ethnicity often selected as a target of a russian invasion and genocide either by joke, threat or a promise, it is very easy to see the pattern and I'd rather have the agressor put down than have my people go through yet another invasion or genocide. I'll happily pay higher gas prizes if it means russia joins the EU, NATO and the camp that values human rights and lives.
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Mar 22, 2024 14:34
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Dapper_Swindler posted:I think there is a side of that but I do think there is a lot of “if Russia implodes, poo poo might get way worse real quick, and we already have a bunch of international crisis right now” that being said, I don’t think we will actually do anything negative towards the Ukrainians outside some vague strong words and then just continue to feed them targets and data. I can absolutely see the US stopping secretly feeding intel to Ukraine on effective targets within Ukraine's reach over too many refineries being hit tbh Also lmao if any of the secret intel involved said refineries
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Mar 22, 2024 14:40
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haddedam posted:As someone of population and citizenship of a country and ethnicity often selected as a target of a russian invasion and genocide either by joke, threat or a promise, it is very easy to see the pattern and I'd rather have the agressor put down than have my people go through yet another invasion or genocide. I'll happily pay higher gas prizes if it means russia joins the EU, NATO and the camp that values human rights and lives. we don't either but we pretend to domestically so it's still better to be in than out
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Mar 22, 2024 14:45
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EorayMel posted:I can absolutely see the US stopping secretly feeding intel to Ukraine on effective targets within Ukraine's reach over too many refineries being hit tbh ill put it this way. i think you will get one or two articles like this were some anonymous source says "hey you probably shouldnt do that" but your not gonna have schumer or harris or biden or the Joint chiefs come out and say it or even a spokesperson. we will probably see ukrainians try other tactics too.
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Mar 22, 2024 14:45
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Dapper_Swindler posted:ill put it this way. i think you will get one or two articles like this were some anonymous source says "hey you probably shouldnt do that" but your not gonna have schumer or harris or biden or the Joint chiefs come out and say it or even a spokesperson. we will probably see ukrainians try other tactics too. I also don't think Ukraine is going to listen to the US on this one even if it is One Guy™ and we'll probably still see more refineries blowing up before April and hell, I'm all for that.
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Mar 22, 2024 14:51
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ZogrimAteMyHamster posted:Baltic Fleet seeing the Black Sea Fleet having all the fun, so they're showing them how it's really done. Now that Finland and Sweden are in NATO the Baltic Fleet truly is just the Baltic Fleet. lol
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Mar 22, 2024 15:37
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Day one of the three day war
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Mar 22, 2024 16:30
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Putin saved up enough rubles buying discount shahed to missile attack civ infrastructure again in a tantrum. US officials worried about gas prices are probably the same ones that have been worried about Ukraine defending themselves at all since day one. Russia does a terrorism and some mysterious morons pop up to let everyone know that surrender is always the best choice economically. Putin is a real piece of poo poo.
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Mar 22, 2024 16:31
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Russia: "Not bad, you made us use 60% of our power"
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Mar 22, 2024 16:32
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EorayMel posted:I also don't think Ukraine is going to listen to the US on this one even if it is One Guy™ and we'll probably still see more refineries blowing up before April and hell, I'm all for that. same and same.
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Mar 22, 2024 16:34
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 Inflation still stupidly high for making or extracting stuff but otherwise Russian economy stonk.
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Mar 22, 2024 16:46
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EorayMel posted:I also don't think Ukraine is going to listen to the US on this one even if it is One Guy™ and we'll probably still see more refineries blowing up before April and hell, I'm all for that. "Sorry American, I cant hear you over the sound of burning refinery!"
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Mar 22, 2024 16:49
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according to an anonymous source within the US government, ukraine is going to look like a poor waif in their underpants when they find out that targeting russian refineries has no effect, actually
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Mar 22, 2024 16:53
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Yeah I would love to see that as well but it seems the Biden admin is mostly afraid of this escalating into an oil crisis that make fuel prices go up, which is a great way to lose elections.
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Mar 22, 2024 16:53
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Neddy Seagoon posted:"Sorry American, I cant hear you over the sound of burning refinery!" The camera pans through an open field to a soldier. He begins giving a highly detailed and technical description of the conflict's geopolitical situation. Explosions start off screen, completely drowning out the soldier, who continues earnestly talking about Russian ambitions in the area.
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Mar 22, 2024 16:56
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Monstaland posted:Yeah I would love to see that as well but it seems the Biden admin is mostly afraid of this escalating into an oil crisis that make fuel prices go up, which is a great way to lose elections. The only oil crisis is the most recent pair of underwear Putin put on
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Mar 22, 2024 16:56
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 https://t.me/stoparmy/4273 Here we go, they're now sending summons to Moscow boys to join monke's army
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Mar 22, 2024 17:20
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zone posted:
things aint great if your sending cards to the imperial center.
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Mar 22, 2024 17:26
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https://twitter.com/NOELreports/status/1771201403853197413
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Mar 22, 2024 17:41
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Good, you can gently caress off then
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Mar 22, 2024 17:44
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zone posted:
man, putin seems to really think one massive push over this summer will do it. hope those czech shells start arriving sooner rather than later
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