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syntaxfunction
Oct 27, 2010

Cassian of Imola posted:

First of all, I can personally guarantee your video would get at least one view :wink:

Second, I'm not a Harvard MDiv or even an MBA but yes, part of my overall point was that even the worthless filler has worth as filler to Pornhub, and contributes to its overall success. If I were running things, everyone would be compensated equally, but the bean counters at the porn convent might settle on some kind of performance incentives over and above a minimum package of wages and benefits, or else reassign 'underperformers' to other jobs such as picking oranges or teaching history under a collectively negotiated contract with an orchard or private secondary school.

I feel like you are trying to make your porno nun fetish a reality.

I'm not saying don't, dreamers gotta dream, I'm just saying.

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William Henry Hairytaint
Oct 29, 2011



Cassian of Imola posted:

I think my main problem with the idea of individuals selling bespoke porn is not the immorality of prostitution I'm not perfect and I don't expect anyone else to be. And yes, many of these women would undoubtedly be happier locked in a convent praying and contemplating the Trinity, but I know I'm tilting at windmills there.

It's not the 'porn' thing that really bothers me, it's the 'individual' part. Huge swathes of porn are just duplicated effort. The typical end user can't or won't distinguish between most of it, and becoming famous as a performer is mainly down to luck: having pale skin, two X chromosomes, and large breasts helps to start, and you also need to get memed into popularity by total serendipity to make real money at it.

Moreover, the biggest money being made in porn is in these aggregator streaming sites that present uninterrupted, wall-to-wall thumbnails of people engaged in acts contrary to God's plan for their lives. How many people looking at Pornhub, generating ad revenue, are looking for a specific video? Probably not many. Probably they're just there to engage in acts contrary to God's plan for their lives without a specific recorded performance in mind. The attraction is not the unique qualities of a particular performer, but the sheer quantity of nearly identical performances.

The fact that success is down to pure luck, and that most consumers treat porn videos as interchangeable (within broad, often hideously racist and misogynist genres): you take these two features of the porn market, and you realise that the Turkish bazaar model of porn marketplace doesn't make any sense. Gumroad was a failure of imagination, just trying to be another OnlyFans for goths and nerds. The vast majority of erotic artists and performers were going to get nothing from that model. It was going to suck just as bad for 99% of performers as OnlyFans, but also have zero brand recognition and terrible SEO, while 1% would hoover up all the money through pure luck as usual.

Right now the choice for porn actors, for example, is being paid a one-off fee of 3 to 4 figures for a performance that gets fed into billion-dollar aggregators like Reddit and Pornhub, or playing the lottery with sites like OnlyFans and Gumroad. Or, ideally, taking vows. But surely there's an obvious fourth option, one that guarantees pay and a stake in the future earnings of the performance? Not individual stalls in a bazaar like Gumroad, each fighting for attention; a proven successful model of website, a Wal-mart of porn like Pornhub. The catch? Its ownership is structured like a convent: the profits are collected then distributed to meet the needs of all the workers. And with proper stewardship, just like a convent, it can continue to care for its members in old age, when their orifices get too worn out to keep working in a customer-facing capacity. I genuinely believe a community adopting the convent model will be the next big disruptor in online porn

Yeah I wanna watch nuns gently caress too. I'll never pay for it though.

Cassian of Imola
Feb 9, 2011

Keeping her memory alive!

William Henry Hairytaint posted:

Yeah I wanna watch nuns gently caress too. I'll never pay for it though.

Who pays for Pornhub? I'm just taking the most successful business model in porn and putting it under the most ethical model of non-state collective ownership (vow of poverty)

Cassian of Imola fucked around with this message at 02:52 on Mar 22, 2024

weg
Jun 6, 2006

Reassisted Retrogression
big rear end latina nun chased by convent loving TREX on a hoverboard then gently caress

William Henry Hairytaint
Oct 29, 2011



Cassian of Imola posted:

Who pays for Pornhub? I'm just taking the most successful business model in porn and putting it under the most ethical model of ownership (vow of poverty)

I'll be honest I just saw the words God and convent a couple times and ran with it, I'm not gonna read all of your stupid poo poo

Vampire Panties
Apr 18, 2001
nposter
Nap Ghost

Cassian of Imola posted:

Who pays for Pornhub? I'm just taking the most successful business model in porn and putting it under the most ethical model of non-state collective ownership (vow of poverty)

or you're using egalitarian terms to describe a pimp/ho relationship

whose to say really

Klyith
Aug 3, 2007

GBS Pledge Week

Cassian of Imola posted:

Second, I'm not a Harvard MDiv or even an MBA but yes, part of my overall point was that even the worthless filler has worth as filler to Pornhub, and contributes to its overall success. If I were running things, everyone would be compensated equally, but the bean counters at the porn convent might settle on some kind of performance incentives over and above a minimum package of wages and benefits, or else reassign 'underperformers' to other jobs such as picking oranges or teaching history under a collectively negotiated contract with an orchard or private secondary school.

What happens if the 'underperformers' in the Porn Convent who are being assigned to other jobs turn out to be real good at accountancy and bank lending? And because that's even more lucrative than porn, eventually your Porn Convent is really just an international banking system with an antiquated porn studio on the side. And then you loan a whole lot of money to the kings of europe, so much that they can't pay it back, and the king of france puts together a show trial to get everyone executed for capital crimes?


I think this idea could end badly. But then 700 years later...

A Wizard of Goatse
Dec 14, 2014

would everyone in the getting dudes off industry be sharing the same guild in catholic porno communism or would there be separate rival ones for the folks drawing dragons with huge tits and the ladies who pretend to be stuck in the mud, the idea is compelling but the logistics daunting

A Wizard of Goatse fucked around with this message at 02:59 on Mar 22, 2024

bvj191jgl7bBsqF5m
Apr 16, 2017

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They banned me from Gumroad Jerry!

They banned you from Gumroad?

They banned me.

Did they say why?

Apparently I was gumming up the works.

So the works were gummed?

Gummed, Jerry

Dang It Bhabhi!
May 27, 2004



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I knew this would become the Seinfeld ChatGPT thread.

Cassian of Imola
Feb 9, 2011

Keeping her memory alive!

A Wizard of Goatse posted:

would everyone in the getting dudes off industry be sharing the same guild in catholic porno communism or would there be separate rival ones for the folks drawing dragons with huge tits and the ladies who pretend to be stuck in the mud, the idea is compelling but the logistics daunting

I envision it as an organisation of workers from across the whole sector. You raise a good point, though inevitably, some media won't 'pull its weight' compared to genre porn videos. Although collective bargaining will raise the rates for artwork, it seems likely that demand for bespoke pieces like commissioned furry smut will continue to fall short of the needs of all the artists willing to make them. In that case some should be retrained to paint biblical scenes and icons of saints.

Cassian of Imola fucked around with this message at 03:20 on Mar 22, 2024

SniperWoreConverse
Mar 20, 2010



Gun Saliva

A Wizard of Goatse posted:

would everyone in the getting dudes off industry be sharing the same guild in catholic porno communism or would there be separate rival ones for the folks drawing dragons with huge tits and the ladies who pretend to be stuck in the mud, the idea is compelling but the logistics daunting

Need to break into the getting chicks off side of the market ofc this is already an angle been worked

I'd assume it'd be some sort of amalgamated fuckworkers' local 42069 type situation. Writers, camera, etc are already unionized, right? Competition is counterproductive.

Artists need in instead of relying on commissioning

SniperWoreConverse
Mar 20, 2010



Gun Saliva
Do you have any idea how much actual effort goes into making an icon though

It's a lot

It's a fuckin lot it takes forever you need several kinds of specialists

bloodysabbath
May 1, 2004

OH NO!

bvj191jgl7bBsqF5m posted:

They banned me from Gumroad Jerry!

They banned you from Gumroad?

They banned me.

Did they say why?

Apparently I was gumming up the works.

So the works were gummed?

Gummed, Jerry

MARLENE: ..I'm sorry, Jerry. I just don't think this is going to work.

JERRY: Really? I thought..

MARLENE: I know, I'm sorry.

JERRY: I guess I just didn't expect it from the way you've been acting.

MARLENE: You sure you want to talk about this? 'Cause I sure don't.

JERRY: Of course I want to talk about it.

MARLENE: Well, okay. I guess things changed for me on Tuesday night.

JERRY: Tuesday night? What happened Tuesday night?

MARLENE: ..I saw your act.

JERRY: My act? What does that have to do with anything?

MARLENE: Well, to be honest, it just didn't make it for me. It's just so much fluff.

JERRY: I can't believe this. So what are you saying? You didn't like my act, so that's it?

MARLENE: I can't be with someone if I don't respect what they do.

JERRY: You're a foot girl!

A Wizard of Goatse
Dec 14, 2014

SniperWoreConverse posted:

Do you have any idea how much actual effort goes into making an icon though

It's a lot

It's a fuckin lot it takes forever you need several kinds of specialists

They're gonna make way more of an impression on the kids these days when the specialists are vore guy, thirst trap streamer, findom brat and extreme butthole gymnast

counterfeitsaint
Feb 26, 2010

I'm a girl, and you're
gnomes, and it's like
what? Yikes.

Cassian of Imola posted:

wall-to-wall thumbnails of people engaged in acts contrary to God's plan for their lives.

You could have saved everyone a lot of time by just getting to the point right away.

NoiseAnnoys
May 17, 2010

this thread is like all of the bespoke pornography goons buy: boring, overwrought, and more than a little depressing.

Dang It Bhabhi!
May 27, 2004



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NoiseAnnoys posted:

this thread is like all of the bespoke pornography goons buy: boring, overwrought, and more than a little depressing.

My Rod Dreher adult baby diaper fetish videos are worth every penny.

SniperWoreConverse
Mar 20, 2010



Gun Saliva

A Wizard of Goatse posted:

They're gonna make way more of an impression on the kids these days when the specialists are vore guy, thirst trap streamer, findom brat and extreme butthole gymnast

Kids are mostly impressed by and want to be what is shown to be cool and obtainable by bigger society & their situation.

But I mean ex the person who applies gold leaf, that's their entire job they are an expert in it. You would literally call in a guy just to add the ring to Goatse. You still need money to make icons.

Meanwhile these kids lucky they grow up at all

Hammerite
Mar 9, 2007

And you don't remember what I said here, either, but it was pompous and stupid.
Jade Ear Joe
I think we need to workshop a name for our order of porn nuns. here i'll make a start, how about "the sisters of our lady of the parted lips". rip that apart or whatever and suggest ideas of your own, let's get a real brainstorm going

SRQ
Nov 9, 2009

patreon btw had a scare about going the same way when it posted a questionably worded ban on fat fetish stuff and walked it back with "no we meant freaky non consensual poo poo, post your bbw not-pokemon art all you loving want."

Elukka
Feb 18, 2011

For All Mankind

Cassian of Imola posted:

in any case, unless you're an Amazon-size monopoly, it makes sense to separate the porn and non-porn markets no matter how comparatively lucrative they are. but certain annoying people feel entitled to spam their worthless lois griffin erotica in every possible forum and whine about fairness when they're told No
I'm generally all for this because I find it really jarring to have porn shoved in my face unsolicited. It's possible to avoid that even if it's on the same platform though - just have an NSFW toggle.

This isn't what they're doing, though. They're not separating the marketplaces, they're just banning it. And the implication that artists making porn just insist on posting it everywhere is pretty backwards when their whole issue is they're never safe and they keep getting driven off platforms, especially platforms that enable them to make money.

NoiseAnnoys
May 17, 2010

brb pulling my tumblr to spiceh content i found on the gumroad

Cassian of Imola
Feb 9, 2011

Keeping her memory alive!

counterfeitsaint posted:

You could have saved everyone a lot of time by just getting to the point right away.

Nothing gets past this guy!

hot cocoa on the couch
Dec 8, 2009

NoiseAnnoys posted:

this thread is like all of the bespoke pornography goons buy: boring, overwrought, and more than a little depressing.

syntaxfunction
Oct 27, 2010
You spend three thousand on Wallace and Gromit slashfic commissions and you're "providing work", I spend three thousand fixing the hotel room I trashed in a drunken rage and I "have a problem" this world is so unjust.

No. 6
Jun 30, 2002

It's tough being a white man in America these days

syntaxfunction
Oct 27, 2010
Yeah that's why I simply am not, it's way easier. Everyone knows white cis het Republican men in America are definitively, without question, the most oppressed people in the world. It's a fact I read in realtruthfacts.blogspot.com

hot cocoa on the couch
Dec 8, 2009

its so weird that cis has come to mean "conventional" or "natural" or w/e lol. i know it was coined specifically because it's the latin antonym to "trans" but its funny to think of the etymological root and be like "im on THIS side of my gender, you're on THAT side of my gender"

StrangersInTheNight
Dec 31, 2007
ABSOLUTE FUCKING GUDGEON

Elukka posted:

I'm generally all for this because I find it really jarring to have porn shoved in my face unsolicited. It's possible to avoid that even if it's on the same platform though - just have an NSFW toggle.

This isn't what they're doing, though. They're not separating the marketplaces, they're just banning it. And the implication that artists making porn just insist on posting it everywhere is pretty backwards when their whole issue is they're never safe and they keep getting driven off platforms, especially platforms that enable them to make money.

yeah the 'lol guess you just can't survive without consuming porn you gross perverts' is an interesting route for some people to take because porn and sex work have been around forever and people will continue to buy access to these things until the end of time. like, whole-rear end forms of technology have settled in as common for public use bc of porn, you may think of VHS players as where you watched your Disney movies growing up, but that's certainly now how they gained dominance in the household market originally.

let's not be coy here. sex work will always exist. we can either make it safe for people who do the work, or continue to do....whatever useless nonsense is going on here.
Ofc I know the answer is, we'll continue to do the latter lol oh humanity

Klyith
Aug 3, 2007

GBS Pledge Week

StrangersInTheNight posted:

yeah the 'lol guess you just can't survive without consuming porn you gross perverts' is an interesting route for some people to take because porn and sex work have been around forever and people will continue to buy access to these things until the end of time. like, whole-rear end forms of technology have settled in as common for public use bc of porn, you may think of VHS players as where you watched your Disney movies growing up, but that's certainly now how they gained dominance in the household market originally.

The "VHS won because porn" story is wildly over-exaggerated. It was there, but Betamax had plenty of other disadvantages (cost, recording time) to go around.

As a counter example, HD-DVD was the format of choice for porn and Bluray won despite that.

Scam Likely
Feb 19, 2021

StrangersInTheNight posted:

yeah the 'lol guess you just can't survive without consuming porn you gross perverts' is an interesting route for some people to take because porn and sex work have been around forever and people will continue to buy access to these things until the end of time. like, whole-rear end forms of technology have settled in as common for public use bc of porn, you may think of VHS players as where you watched your Disney movies growing up, but that's certainly now how they gained dominance in the household market originally.

let's not be coy here. sex work will always exist. we can either make it safe for people who do the work, or continue to do....whatever useless nonsense is going on here.
Ofc I know the answer is, we'll continue to do the latter lol oh humanity

Bingo.

If anyone actually cares about stigmatized sex workers and others who rely on their body or sexually taboo subjects for work, check out the Old Pros podcast. Kaytlin Bailey is really eloquent about something that getting treated with schoolyard humor by the people who consume it.

https://oldprosonline.org/the-oldest-profession-podcast/

https://youtu.be/hIWuj35YFQU

This is probably too out of place in a thread that just wants to joke about porn prices and bespoke furry foot fetish art, but this poo poo has been an integral part of society forever and is worth taking seriously.

Scam Likely fucked around with this message at 14:50 on Mar 22, 2024

StrangersInTheNight
Dec 31, 2007
ABSOLUTE FUCKING GUDGEON

Klyith posted:

The "VHS won because porn" story is wildly over-exaggerated. It was there, but Betamax had plenty of other disadvantages (cost, recording time) to go around.

As a counter example, HD-DVD was the format of choice for porn and Bluray won despite that.

Yes it's more complex than that but the point is that trying to shame people for wanting access to porn when that's a super normal thing, such that it can indeed have an effect on technology in the right circumstances, is stupid AF.

But it's right in line with the social etiquette of porn, which is that it is understood to be consumed in secret while disavowed publicly. That way it can stay in it's secret little shame box. Even tho it's as old as people. There were cave drawings of sex. Should those cavemen be ashamed of themselves?

The ideal would be to strip away that layer of 'polite deniability' where one shames sex work while simultaneously indulging in it. The hypocrisy of relying on pornography as a sexual release outlet then disavowing it during post-nut clarity is utter bullshit.

temple
Jul 29, 2006

I have actual skeletons in my closet

StrangersInTheNight posted:

Yes it's more complex than that but the point is that trying to shame people for wanting access to porn when that's a super normal thing, such that it can indeed have an effect on technology in the right circumstances, is stupid AF.

But it's right in line with the social etiquette of porn, which is that it is understood to be consumed in secret while disavowed publicly. That way it can stay in it's secret little shame box. Even tho it's as old as people. There were cave drawings of sex. Should those cavemen be ashamed of themselves?

The ideal would be to strip away that layer of 'polite deniability' where one shames sex work while simultaneously indulging in it. The hypocrisy of relying on pornography as a sexual release outlet then disavowing it during post-nut clarity is utter bullshit.
I'd say the taboo nature provides the majority of its value. If he was publicly accepted, it wouldn't be more than ice cream. I've been thinking for a while how there's no more boundaries between children and adulthood. To the point that being an adult and adult indulgences have lost their appeal.

A Wizard of Goatse
Dec 14, 2014

That's probably just depression, as an adult you can get a pill for that

hot cocoa on the couch
Dec 8, 2009

temple posted:

To the point that being an adult and adult indulgences have lost their appeal.

lol wtf no they haven't

TrashMammal
Nov 10, 2022

hot cocoa on the couch posted:

lol wtf no they haven't

explain funko pops :colbert:

Hammerite
Mar 9, 2007

And you don't remember what I said here, either, but it was pompous and stupid.
Jade Ear Joe

TrashMammal posted:

explain funko pops :colbert:

the three word request that defeats the finest minds in existence

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cumpantry
Dec 18, 2020

temple posted:

I've been thinking for a while how there's no more boundaries between children and adulthood. To the point that being an adult and adult indulgences have lost their appeal.
childhood is just prepping to smoke weed for the rest of your life

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