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Gonna repost this from the management games thread: explosivo posted:If you're checking out Sim City 3000 on Steam there's a widescreen hack that I found here, works perfectly once you're in game. It's been a very long time since I've played SC3k but looking forward to trying it again later.
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Opals25 posted:It's not; they're just all part of the ultimate collection. Only set me back 7 bucks for everything except 3. Well I know what I'm buying today.
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Going to try some sc4 with NAM/CAM/sc4fix/sc4launcher, what other crucial mods are out there?
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piratepilates posted:The update was "no update this week, exciting new update next week", but they didn't post it to the forums, only to the discord and twitter for some reason: Today's Word of the Week is out, after last week's cancellation due to an exciting new update for today's. https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/developer-diary/co-word-of-the-week-15.1628858/ The update?: Modding support is currently being developed, I guess it's in closed beta now? I don't think they say that but it's implied? And no timeframes or anything concrete. Not sure why they didn't just say this update last week, or delay this update until they have something concrete, or just make today's update seem like it has anything to it. edit: co_martsu did reply with a reason why this update can't have an actual update to it: https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/threads/co-word-of-the-week-15.1628858/post-29451912 posted:The publisher will handle all announcements and therefore there will be no timelines in the communication from us devs. The only thing we can say is that we're working on both the modding support and the Ultimate Edition content. I can assure you that we have not abandoned the game and will keep working on it. So we all need a bit more patience.  They've also added a new release version to Steam (https://steamdb.info/app/949230/depots/), and added modding and asset creation pages to the wiki (https://www.reddit.com/r/CitiesSkylines/comments/1bc3y39/co_word_of_the_week_15/kudhmuo/), including referencing a new unpublished version number of the game. So I guess they're close to something but can't quite pull that trigger on it yet. And paying the SimCity tax to the thread: emdash posted:Going to try some sc4 with NAM/CAM/sc4fix/sc4launcher, what other crucial mods are out there? These two threads on Simtropolis have some coverage of other important ones, mainly smaller bug fixes outside of sc4fix/sc4launcher: piratepilates posted:May want to give these two threads a try: If you have troubles running the game properly and you think it's graphics card related, there's also DirectX wrappers like dgVoodoo2 that should make the game more runnable on modern hardware: https://community.simtropolis.com/forums/topic/760434-pc-too-powerful-to-run-sc4/?tab=comments#comment-1749453 piratepilates fucked around with this message at 16:16 on Mar 11, 2024 |
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piratepilates posted:Today's Word of the Week is out, after last week's cancellation due to an exciting new update for today's. yeah, mod tool EA started last week, or at least one wave of the invites.
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but why didn't they just release it early access. that's essentially what it is, without all the media fiasco
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Sumerian Telecom posted:but why didn't they just release it early access. that's essentially what it is, without all the media fiasco The impression I got from the email was that they wanted a smaller group of people with a lot of experience with the map editor who they could work fairly closely with. Closed alpha is probably a more accurate term than EA.
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Beach Properties, Map Editor, Code Mod Tools, and Paradox Mods coming March 25th, 2024.quote:Along with Beach Properties, there will also be a substantial amount of Performance updates and General Fixes & Improvements. We hope to see much improvement to performance, especially on lower-end spec computers. The full Patch Notes will be posted along with the release of Beach Properties on the 25th. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQ8yqREJye0
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Well, that's sooner than I thought mods would show up from the nebulous 2024 date
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Dwesa posted:Beach Properties, Map Editor, Code Mod Tools, and Paradox Mods coming March 25th, 2024. Seems kind of odd they didn't show the DLC off in a city or anything, just static shots from Blender or whatever. Well, let's see how it goes, not expecting a lot on Paradox Mods being released over just using the Thunderstore now, but hey maybe they have some of the talented modders from C:S1 that did sign an NDA ready to drop some good mods on day 1. edit: The video is kinda funny since it says 30 NA buildings and 30 European buildings, but the written announcement says quote:- 10 North American residential buildings with three levels (30 assets) So it's actually 10 new buildings each, but they have 3 levels, so it's like 10+10 assets with 3 variations each. Also 4 palm trees! (may include young, adult, old, dying, of the same one) piratepilates fucked around with this message at 15:58 on Mar 18, 2024 |
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That's good news. I'm still not interested until we can get assets, but maybe that won't be so far off.
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Trailer didn't include much media, but the steam page has some more pictures of it in action: https://store.steampowered.com/app/2427740/Cities_Skylines_II__Beach_Properties/     The price isn't included, very curious to see what they set it as......the game itself desperately needs more assets, has to be a very fine line to walk to make it not seem exorbitant.
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piratepilates posted:Seems kind of odd they didn't show the DLC off in a city or anything, just static shots from Blender or whatever. they put screenshots on the steam page https://store.steampowered.com/app/2427740/Cities_Skylines_II__Beach_Properties/  nice grassy beach. this is really just so weird? i really thought they'd include something in the map editor to allow beaches and themes. i guess we'll see on wednesday. a nitpick from me, but why aren't the tiles consistent sizes for the main roof and the veranda roof. this is not as bad as the cs1 days where you'd get bricks the size of benches so some progress has been made but it just comes off as sloppy to me 
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Most of the buildings in the game are weird if you start examining them in detail. Zoom around and check out the fire escapes sometime, there's real crazy poo poo going on there.
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Metrication posted:sloppy this game? shocker.
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Metrication posted:a nitpick from me, but why aren't the tiles consistent sizes for the main roof and the veranda roof. this is not as bad as the cs1 days where you'd get bricks the size of benches so some progress has been made but it just comes off as sloppy to me the veranda is scaled to get the edges to match so that's probably what they were focused on. probably could have sliced off a row and column to get a batter match tho
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Grand Fromage posted:Most of the buildings in the game are weird if you start examining them in detail. Zoom around and check out the fire escapes sometime, there's real crazy poo poo going on there. lol yes i've restrained myself from posting about it but the north american buildings in particular are quite bonkers in many ways. some of them are... architecturally impossible let's put it that way. in terms of art direction they are consistent which again is a step up from cs1. but some of the look like toy buildings or like an ai has generated them if you look closely (upside down cornices, massive buildings where windows are missing so they'd get zero daylight, arches cut out of straight brick courses etc) simcity 2013 was a failure in many ways but i still think it looks great. and maxis always seemed to base their RCI buildings off real life ones so they looked normal. piratepilates posted:this game? shocker. Metrication fucked around with this message at 19:18 on Mar 18, 2024 |
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Metrication posted:lol yes i've restrained myself from posting about it but the north american buildings in particular are quite bonkers in many ways. some of them are... architecturally impossible let's put it that way. in terms of art direction they are consistent which again is a step up from cs1. but some of the look like toy buildings or like an ai has generated them if you look closely (upside down cornices, massive buildings where windows are missing so they'd get zero daylight, arches cut out of straight brick courses etc) I know I've beaten the drum before but SimCity 4 really is hard to beat with the assets they made for that game: https://simcity4buildings.net Four distinct region styles, each one feeling like strong examples of those regions and styles, each containing a huge amount of different residential, commercial, and industrial buildings, across different wealth and densities (tracked separately, which C:S1/2 doesn't). Best part is they actually add some wear and tear to the assets, things look realistic and lived in. I have no idea what CO's process for assets is but it's bizarrely sloppy and slow. C:S2 already ships with little asset variety, but the assets themselves have all these weird artifacts to them, and they're all too pristine, and for all the towers, they don't fit together nicely unless you place everything incredibly carefully. On top of that, it's been like what, 5 months? since release, and this DLC is now coming out with 20 new buildings and some signature buildings on top of that. I guess that number's fine for an asset pack DLC, but the base game itself still desperately needs more, especially more that aren't just residential single family houses. Then you have the outsourced AI citizens, the cars, the maps themselves all being weird and hilly and not very good, and the custom maps from the community being way better almost as soon as people found the way to make unofficial maps -- their art/assets department is just so odd, this game has been in development for like 6 years? and as soon as the asset editors come out, they're going to be outmatched immediately by their community doing free labour, it's bizarre.
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piratepilates posted:I know I've beaten the drum before but SimCity 4 really is hard to beat with the assets they made for that game: https://simcity4buildings.net yeah the sc4 assets are still amazing. i would speculate co at least partially outsource their asset creation. i'm almost certain they buy in props. hence why some of them (and not others) were discovered to be so insanely unoptimised. there was a fully modelled interior with computers and furniture, modelled down to the computer cables for one of the security hut props iirc. the maps are just dreadful tbh and this is unchanged from cs1. i don't think they use real references at all, be it buildings or maps (apart from the real san francisco and helsinki), so you just end up with weird fantasy crap imo. this dlc was supposed to be a small pack between the main game and the ports expansion (rip) but obviously due to the timetable they've now had to blow it up as delivering a big performance patch and modding. so its going to be insanely overanalysed and questioned due to that. the lack of beaches is still just utterly bizarre.
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I'm basically just wanting CO to fix the technical issues and get full modding working. The official assets for CS1 mostly sucked and I don't expect anything from that in CS2 either. Let me run 100% community assets again and I'm fine.
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One thing I did like about the paid asset packs in C:S was that they never became outdated with a patch and they always seemed stylistically consistent. Not saying that a good mod author can’t also do those same things, but just knowing things fit together was nice.
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Is the new modding system in CS2 supposed to be more resilient to patches or is everything going to break constantly again?
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buglord posted:One thing I did like about the paid asset packs in C:S was that they never became outdated with a patch and they always seemed stylistically consistent. Not saying that a good mod author can’t also do those same things, but just knowing things fit together was nice. Yeah those were neat. I didn't mind kicking a few bucks to the modders making good poo poo. Tarnop posted:Is the new modding system in CS2 supposed to be more resilient to patches or is everything going to break constantly again? I would guess it'll be the same as CS1, mods to the code will break but assets won't.
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Tarnop posted:Is the new modding system in CS2 supposed to be more resilient to patches or is everything going to break constantly again? What does your heart tell you. They can hardly get mods implemented at all, I’m not holding out hope that their structure will, e robust enough to allow mods to survive patches.
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Code mods fall into two categories: Those that use designed and supported interfaces and those that don't. The former will survive new versions. The latter will not. The latter are also vastly more common because unsurprisingly the creativity of dozens to hundreds of modders vastly outstrips the creativity of a handful of developers. Also making those interfaces takes a surprising amount of design and programming resources, especially if you don't want to hamstring yourself in the future.
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So for some pleasant news for once, there's some info on the modding discords about the PDXMods public beta and what mods will be available on day one:quote:Paradox Mods And then more news about Skyve: quote:SKYVE - Mod Manager for Cities: Skylines II So seems like for the most part, PDXMods is going to launch with some of the top mods ready to go, including Skyve. Some of the other gameplay-touching ones will probably take a few days to be updated to work with the new patch, but day one there should be content for the game post-patch.
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Archduke Frantz Fanon posted:from CPP's stream the PDX mods thing doesn't look all that different from thunderstore and is probably less likely to start mining crypto on my computer. While it does seem actually fine, I also get these vibes from the Thunderstore.
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modding development diary #2: https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/developer-diary/modding-development-diary-2-map-editor.1626922/
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Otacon posted:modding development diary #2: https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/developer-diary/modding-development-diary-2-map-editor.1626922/ Woke up to the third consecutive dev diary, #3, about code modding: https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/developer-diary/modding-development-diary-3-code-modding.1626926/ Written by someone who is interesting to read, too. What a world we live in. Tarnop posted:Is the new modding system in CS2 supposed to be more resilient to patches or is everything going to break constantly again? Hey what do you know! They go over this a bit in dev diary 3: quote:If you have modded Cities: Skylines, you know how game updates can affect mod functionalities, and that is something we want to try and improve upon in Cities: Skylines II. While it isn’t possible to completely prevent mods from having issues as the game code they modify could be changed, we are trying to make it less likely that mods break when the game is updated.
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Sounds like they were as thorough as possible with mod support. It should work fine for most gameplay mods that can just overwrite gameplay parameters after the base game's done with them. Stuff like FPS Optimizer or the Loading Screen Mod would still break 'cause I can't think of a way those would be implemented without touching base game code.
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Kyte posted:Stuff like FPS Optimizer or the Loading Screen Mod would still break 'cause I can't think of a way those would be implemented without touching base game code. Good thing about stuff like those is, it's often things where you can do without 'em for a bit after an update.
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piratepilates posted:Woke up to the third consecutive dev diary, #3, about code modding: https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/developer-diary/modding-development-diary-3-code-modding.1626926/ Oh cool, thanks for pointing that out
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That's cool that they actually worked on making mods not break. I guess hiring a bunch of modders brought things like that up.
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