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Re earlier reporting by Financial Times that US has apparently asked Ukraine to tone down their refinery drone attacks, since it will cause oil prices to rise globally - here's some random guy on Twitter: https://twitter.com/EHunterChristie/status/1771114589561692234 Copying his text here because Twitter: quote:There is always a possible substitution for Russia between exporting refined products and exporting crude. Well, I'm no expert but this sounds plausible enough. I would also argue that Biden's (potential) inability to win an election is not something Ukraine can afford to care about (especially since, funnily enough, USA is not right now giving enough aid to Ukraine).
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Mar 22, 2024 20:39
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I suppose it’s gonna rain (conspiracy) theories the next couple of days.
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Mar 22, 2024 20:49
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Comte de Saint-Germain posted:explain it to me, aristotle, how is a full scale invasion of poland not simultaneously a full scale invasion of europe? Where there is an individual within a larger category, and where that category is (nebulously, poorly) synonymous with a second category, the individual is not in fact in itself synonymous with the second category, and cannot be substituted in that way. Poland is not a synonym for Europe, nor can it be substituted to inflate or deflate the scope of claims being attributed to "this thread" - much in the same way that a claim about Poland which you already got revised from one user is not representative of Comte de Saint-Germain posted:come on, there's not a lot of evidence that putin has the desire, and certainly not the capability, to launch a full scale conquest of europe but people in this thread often talk about it like it's a foregone conclusion that's right around the corner If you have examples of this thread often presenting the foregone conclusion that a Russian full scale conquest of Europe is right around the corner, I'd welcome it. Discendo Vox fucked around with this message at 20:59 on Mar 22, 2024 |
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Mar 22, 2024 20:51
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drat apparently at least 40 people are dead in the Moscow terror attack according to CNN. I hope Russia doesn't blame it on Ukraine and then invade their country 
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Mar 22, 2024 21:02
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gently caress 
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Mar 22, 2024 21:07
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I have it on good authority that Latvians did it well, it could be just anything at this point. So far the only concrete thing seems to be that western intelligence services got a hint and warned about the possibility beforehand. I would assume that if it was a FSB false flag op or something and CIA heard of it then they would have signalled about it differently to deter it, but that doesn't rule it completely out.
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Mar 22, 2024 21:09
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Charliegrs posted:drat apparently at least 40 people are dead in the Moscow terror attack according to CNN. I hope Russia doesn't blame it on Ukraine and then invade their country Looks like 3 people with machine guns entered the Crocus City Hall theater and started shooting. The building is on fire and according to russian media some people have been rescued from the basement. The roof on which people are hiding is burning and looks like it might collapse… Ukraine already came out denying any involvement in this. Edit: Source: https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/what-we-know-about-shooting-concert-venue-near-moscow-2024-03-22/
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Mar 22, 2024 21:10
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One interview of an eye witness, translated from is.fiquote:- I sat in the hall upstairs, where the balconies are. I heard gunshots. At first I didn't understand what had happened. Then I saw for myself how the terrorists came in and shot at everyone," an eyewitness told Reuters of the events in the concert hall.
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Mar 22, 2024 21:12
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On the one hand, Russia has a history of false flags and Putin may feel the need for a rallying cry before conscripting another couple hundred thousand men to go die in the grinders. On the other hand, Putin just "won" his election after the opposition was murdered in prison, and the coup-attempter was literally blown out of the sky. If he's still concerned about people not tolerating conscription with that much of an iron grip on power I don't think anything will fix that problem. So killing a couple dozen Moscow residents might not accomplish anything. That said, if not a false flag, who is the likely suspect?
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Mar 22, 2024 21:17
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There's like 20 different possible culprits and motivations lol.
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Mar 22, 2024 21:18
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Orthanc6 posted:That said, if not a false flag, who is the likely suspect? Previously such attacks have been committed by islamists, but I could also see some PTSD fevered Wagner veterans or some neo nazi or other extremist group doing something like this. I think it's better to wait for more to emerge. I'm still thinking it's the Latvians, for the record, but I can be persuaded otherwise with evidence.
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Mar 22, 2024 21:21
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jaete posted:Obviously it's not quite that simple, but think about a Europe where all the other countries, or let's say all Eastern/Central countries, decided to "Finlandise" themselves militarily sometime around 1991. After three decades of that these various countries between them could have had about five million men in reserve and I'm just gonna stop there. There would also be enough artillery and ammo, etc. Today, the German Bundeswehr has roughly 180k active duty soldiers, no more draft, 3000 AFV, of which 300 are MBTs, and 230 combat aircraft, and average spending by NATO was closer to 1.5% of GDP. The problem isn’t that the capability wasn’t grown enough, the problem is that it was allowed to atrophy and the changing political realities wrt Russia were ignored. DTurtle fucked around with this message at 21:35 on Mar 22, 2024 |
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Mar 22, 2024 21:23
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Remember when Victoria Nuland proclaimed that Russia had some nasty surprises waiting for it in 2024? **I mean to say if Russia wants to tie this back to the states there are no end of ways for them to do that. Starsfan fucked around with this message at 21:32 on Mar 22, 2024 |
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Mar 22, 2024 21:26
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Also that they somehow did a shittier job of preserving the equipment than Russia and Ukraine both. If Germany had 1700 Leo 2s sitting around, things would be much easier.
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Mar 22, 2024 21:26
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thoughts and prayers
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Mar 22, 2024 21:27
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My money's on Chechens, it's usually Chechens
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Mar 22, 2024 21:31
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Failed Imagineer posted:My money's on Chechens, it's usually Chechens hmm I don't know about this, 99% of them voted for Putin in the last election
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Mar 22, 2024 21:33
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OddObserver posted:Also that they somehow did a shittier job of preserving the equipment than Russia and Ukraine both. If Germany had 1700 Leo 2s sitting around, things would be much easier. OTOH, as a Finn I thank the German generosity in selling away both their and East Germany's tanks  ...124 Leo 2A4's were bought from Germany and a dozen for spare parts, then another 100 2A6's from the Netherlands. Nowadays the Netherlands have 18 Leopards left. Not much of a defense partner anymore, but hey, thanks for the tanks anyway!
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Mar 22, 2024 21:36
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Ironically today "LGBT movement" was included in the Russian register of extremists and terrorists. Priorities, man.
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Mar 22, 2024 21:37
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OddObserver posted:Also that they somehow did a shittier job of preserving the equipment than Russia and Ukraine both. If Germany had 1700 Leo 2s sitting around, things would be much easier.
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Mar 22, 2024 21:39
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From eye witness accounts it sounds like the fire exits were locked, if so it doesn't surprise me the least. Prediction: Putin will sack scapegoats, nothing changes.
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Mar 22, 2024 21:52
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fatherboxx posted:Ironically today "LGBT movement" was included in the Russian register of extremists and terrorists. You say that like pussy riot isn't the prime suspect here.
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Mar 22, 2024 21:58
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acidx posted:You say that like pussy riot isn't the prime suspect here. Must be those horny summer camp counselor romance book fans
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Mar 22, 2024 22:00
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ISIS has claimed responsibility. https://twitter.com/azelin/status/1771284775170425250
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Mar 22, 2024 22:20
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acidx posted:ISIS has claimed responsibility. For the record, I made my previous post before I was aware of how IS central media works Nenonen posted:One interview of an eye witness, translated from is.fi
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Mar 22, 2024 22:23
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So ISIS is based in Latvia now
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Mar 22, 2024 22:23
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Charliegrs posted:So ISIS is based in Latvia now always has been
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Mar 22, 2024 22:27
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The Islamic State of Iraq and
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Mar 22, 2024 22:29
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Isn't .fi Finland?
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Mar 22, 2024 22:54
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OddObserver posted:Isn't .fi Finland? It's short for "fatwa islam".
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Mar 22, 2024 22:56
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acidx posted:ISIS has claimed responsibility. Apparently there was an alert from MARCH 7TH that Islamic State - Khrorasan was planning on an external operation to Afghanistan. https://x.com/CalibreObscura/status/1771230886970683771?s=20
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Mar 23, 2024 00:45
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https://twitter.com/MarquardtA/stat...ia-live-updates Yeah I remember this alert
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Mar 23, 2024 00:48
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On March 7, the State Dept did issue a warning to anyone in Moscow to avoid crowds & gatherings, and specifically named 'concert venues' as targets. It was a 48-hour warning.
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Mar 23, 2024 00:54
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Young Freud posted:Apparently there was an alert from MARCH 7TH that Islamic State - Khrorasan was planning on an external operation to Afghanistan. Evidently the best response is clear - Russia should attack Afghanistan. It's guaranteed to be a great idea, and also it's Russia's turn again.
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Mar 23, 2024 01:04
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Keisari posted:Evidently the best response is clear - Russia should attack Afghanistan. It's guaranteed to be a great idea, and also it's Russia's turn again. Obviously you first need to annex a few small states between Russia and Afghanistan first.
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Mar 23, 2024 01:12
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Putin Knew
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Mar 23, 2024 01:13
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Nenonen posted:Obviously you first need to annex a few small states between Russia and Afghanistan first. Nonsense, they are all CSTO members. CSTO members always help each out right? Russia has never hung a CSTO member out to dry after all.
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Mar 23, 2024 01:20
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Lid posted:Putin Knew It's the Kursk all over again lol. The Russian government values Russian lives even less than they value non-Russian lives.
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Mar 23, 2024 01:37
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acidx posted:It's the Kursk all over again lol. The Russian government values Russian lives even less than they value non-Russian lives. Can you elaborate what you mean with "the Kursk" in this context? I'd like to read about it if it's something similar
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Keisari posted:Can you elaborate what you mean with "the Kursk" in this context? I'd like to read about it if it's something similar https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kursk_submarine_disaster
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