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Jakabite
Jul 31, 2010
Well that’s not funny at all. How disappointing. I hope she’s okay.

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kecske
Feb 28, 2011

it's round, like always

this story feels like it's due a britney spears yellow clothes plot twist

fuctifino
Jun 11, 2001

I wish I was on the funnier timeline and not this one

Tesseraction
Apr 5, 2009

Just fresh back from the timeline where we goonfunded enough to strangle William before he could use the Havana Syndrome gun to give Kate cancer, what did I miss?

Ragnar Gunvald
May 13, 2015

Cool and good.

Residency Evil posted:

But it won't stop anyone from trying to read the tea leaves.

Someone has read the tea leaves, my wife just got a job at The London Clinic and starts in a few weeks as they just had to let someone go rather abruptly....

AceClown
Sep 11, 2005

Gonzo McFee posted:

No Bravery is legit one of the best anti-war songs I've heard, huge respect for him.

it's criminal that I'd never heard of this song before, I've always thought of James Blunt as a bit of a meme but gently caress me this song is incredible, thank you

Mr. Apollo
Nov 8, 2000

Ragnar Gunvald posted:

Someone has read the tea leaves, my wife just got a job at The London Clinic and starts in a few weeks as they just had to let someone go rather abruptly....
I wonder if they released this video of Kate now because they received word that some tabloids were going to run stores based on leaks from the London Clinic.

Jaeluni Asjil
Apr 18, 2018

Sorry I thought you were a landlord when I gave you your old avatar!

Mr. Apollo posted:

I wonder if they released this video of Kate now because they received word that some tabloids were going to run stores based on leaks from the London Clinic.

Not sure even the tabloids would have done that.

Meanwhile:

Angepain
Jul 13, 2012

what keeps happening to my clothes

the standard right-wing projection thing where they are convinced there are roaming gangs of lefties finding Problematic things and Cancelling them to eliminate all dissent in the world because from time to time someone will point out something's a bit racist, but when they get mad at meaningless symbolic gestures it's expressing reasonable concerns about the corruption of important traditions or whatever

happyhippy
Feb 21, 2005

Playing games, watching movies, owning goons. 'sup
Pillbug
It's the perfect week for the media to do their job of distracting the peons.
Instead of the news showing polls of the impending Tory collapse, and the country soon after, its all about football (HOW DARE THEY!), royals (in an awww way and not what did they do now way), and flag shagging (HOW DARE TEHY ARE FLEG!).
Just need a WW2 reference for the gammon bingo.

Mega Comrade
Apr 22, 2004

Listen buddy, we all got problems!

happyhippy posted:

It's the perfect week for the media to do their job of distracting the peons.
Instead of the news showing polls of the impending Tory collapse, and the country soon after, its all about football (HOW DARE THEY!), royals (in an awww way and not what did they do now way), and flag shagging (HOW DARE TEHY ARE FLEG!).
Just need a WW2 reference for the gammon bingo.

Distract? The British public eat that poo poo up and want more. Even this thread was lapping it up.

The public doesn't give a poo poo about politics.

Jedit
Dec 10, 2011

Proudly supporting vanilla legends 1994-2014

Ragnar Gunvald posted:

Someone has read the tea leaves, my wife just got a job at The London Clinic and starts in a few weeks as they just had to let someone go rather abruptly....

No surprises there.

https://www.theregister.com/2024/03/20/london_clinic_probes_claims_staffer/

Jel Shaker
Apr 19, 2003


imagine thinking you can just peak at the royals medical records like you can for your family and mates in a normal nhs job, what a dumb idiot

Just Another Lurker
May 1, 2009

fuctifino posted:

I wish I was on the funnier timeline and not this one

This IS the funnier timeline. :stonklol:

Lady Gaza
Nov 20, 2008

Unrelated, but you can now get covid vaccines privately. I’d booked through pharmadoctor for April but then found a clinic in Fleet Street with appointments sooner - getting the Pfizer jab on Tuesday.

I decided to splurge £95 for the deluxe mRNA vaccine, rather than £45 for the novovax protein vaccine, which the pharmadoctor pharmacy were offering.

It’s been almost 3 years since my first dose, I forget when my second was, so am glad to finally be getting some protection. With kids at nursery/school I’ve been constantly getting sick.

Z the IVth
Jan 28, 2009

The trouble with your "expendable machines"
Fun Shoe

Jel Shaker posted:

imagine thinking you can just peak at the royals medical records like you can for your family and mates in a normal nhs job, what a dumb idiot

Need I remind you of the medic that used her unfettered access to patient records to cyberstalk her ex's new partner.

With digital systems you can have records that require explicit password entry to access so there's no excuse of "I fat fingered Kate Middleton's record when I was actually looking for Kate Morrison."

Residency Evil posted:

It depends on the situation. The fact that she was (reportedly) in the hospital for a long time supports that she had a fairly extensive abdominal surgery, not just a cyst torsion.

Chemo doesn't necessarily mean it's advanced. Early stage ovarian cancers still get chemo based on histology/grade, and you can bet that in a borderline situation, you're not going to be the oncologist that recommends less aggressive treatment for an otherwise healthy 42 year old that also happens to be the future queen.

If I were to put money on it, I'm guessing it was a fairly extensive ovarian (or possibly some sort of GI) cancer that required a rather large debulking.

Yeah this was my feeling too. The point I was trying to make was that chemo on its own isn't necessarily anything major, same with a prolonged hospital stay (poo poo happens) but that whole combination of emergency admission, prolonged post-op stay and now chemo do not add up in a very encouraging way.

Charles' disease sounds much less worrisome in comparison (him being 75 notwithstanding).

sinky
Feb 22, 2011



Slippery Tilde

Lady Gaza posted:

Unrelated, but you can now get covid vaccines privately. I’d booked through pharmadoctor for April but then found a clinic in Fleet Street with appointments sooner - getting the Pfizer jab on Tuesday.

I decided to splurge £95 for the deluxe mRNA vaccine, rather than £45 for the novovax protein vaccine, which the pharmadoctor pharmacy were offering.

It’s been almost 3 years since my first dose, I forget when my second was, so am glad to finally be getting some protection. With kids at nursery/school I’ve been constantly getting sick.

It's great that not dying of covid is something you have to pay for :britain:

dadrips
Jan 8, 2010

everything you do is a balloon
College Slice
Might turn me into history's greatest monster but I'm not feeling any particular sympathy for Kate. Yes, it's a pity that she's got cancer, but she's a born-to-rule toff that's married into the uppermost echelons of the British ruling class, meaning she'll be receiving the kind of medical care that her lowly subjects can only dream of. Thousands of folk in this very country suffer in far more dire circumstances on a daily basis with no recourse to the kind of care that she'll be receiving, personally I'll save my sympathy for them instead of a millionaire.

Sanford
Jun 30, 2007

...and rarely post!


dadrips posted:

Might turn me into history's greatest monster but I'm not feeling any particular sympathy for Kate. Yes, it's a pity that she's got cancer, but she's a born-to-rule toff that's married into the uppermost echelons of the British ruling class, meaning she'll be receiving the kind of medical care that her lowly subjects can only dream of. Thousands of folk in this very country suffer in far more dire circumstances on a daily basis with no recourse to the kind of care that she'll be receiving, personally I'll save my sympathy for them instead of a millionaire.

Microplastics
Jul 6, 2007

:discourse:
It's what's for dinner.
We might see a surge in cancer treatment & and research funding now that one of the Important Ones has got it.

(tbf it's already pretty well funded and I reckon that's exactly because there's no cure that rich people can simply buy)

Kin
Nov 4, 2003

Sometimes, in a city this dirty, you need a real hero.

Mr. Apollo posted:

I wonder if they released this video of Kate now because they received word that some tabloids were going to run stores based on leaks from the London Clinic.

Maybe I'm just incredibly cynical, but it still feels like they've spun the wheel of excuses and picked the one thing (cancer) that's got so much public sympathy it would make folk forget all the weird poo poo that's happened.

Who knows if she has it or not, it's not as if anyone can prove one way or another (or would dare to investigate/question it because it's cancer).

mrpwase
Apr 21, 2010

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dadrips posted:

Might turn me into history's greatest monster

I don't think you're allowed to just become Stephen Fry, he already exists

xtothez
Jan 4, 2004


College Slice

dadrips posted:

Might turn me into history's greatest monster but I'm not feeling any particular sympathy for Kate. Yes, it's a pity that she's got cancer, but she's a born-to-rule toff that's married into the uppermost echelons of the British ruling class, meaning she'll be receiving the kind of medical care that her lowly subjects can only dream of. Thousands of folk in this very country suffer in far more dire circumstances on a daily basis with no recourse to the kind of care that she'll be receiving, personally I'll save my sympathy for them instead of a millionaire.

Something I'm curious on as I know we have a few medical-types who post here - for situations like this would the ultra-rich have a significantly better level of medical treatment than most people?

My assumption is that it comes down to two main factors. Firstly, anything would obviously be administered by the professionals with the most possible experience which may vary a lot compared to anyone using the NHS normally. But the main difference is that royals will have constant monitoring & checkups a level beyond most people, allowing conditions like this to be found much earlier (e.g. at stage 1/2 rather than stage 4). However there isn't a bunch of secret rich-people-only cancer drugs that they can just throw millions at, and generally speaking the treatment & outcomes for anything found late would be broadly the same as for the average person.
Is that accurate?

fuctifino
Jun 11, 2001

I've watched the Kate video a few times now, and something that I can't unsee is not a single plant appears to move during the entire video.

Sir Sidney Poitier
Aug 14, 2006

My favourite actor


xtothez posted:

Something I'm curious on as I know we have a few medical-types who post here - for situations like this would the ultra-rich have a significantly better level of medical treatment than most people?

My assumption is that it comes down to two main factors. Firstly, anything would obviously be administered by the professionals with the most possible experience which may vary a lot compared to anyone using the NHS normally. But the main difference is that royals will have constant monitoring & checkups a level beyond most people, allowing conditions like this to be found much earlier (e.g. at stage 1/2 rather than stage 4). However there isn't a bunch of secret rich-people-only cancer drugs that they can just throw millions at, and generally speaking the treatment & outcomes for anything found late would be broadly the same as for the average person.
Is that accurate?

Also wait times - no "okay so we saw a lump on the X-ray and we've scheduled a biopsy next week", I presume it'll all be as quick as possible.

Microplastics
Jul 6, 2007

:discourse:
It's what's for dinner.

fuctifino posted:

I've watched the Kate video a few times now, and something that I can't unsee is not a single plant appears to move during the entire video.

That's kinda their whole thing

kingturnip
Apr 18, 2008

xtothez posted:

Firstly, anything would obviously be administered by the professionals with the most possible experience which may vary a lot compared to anyone using the NHS normally.

Remember that the vast majority of consultants working in private healthcare have a 'day' job in the NHS.
I'd also expect in a situation like this that if it's something the consultant in charge isn't fully confident on, they'd just bring in whoever they thought needed to be brought in. Pay the local NHS Hospital a few thousand quid to borrow the relevant oncologist for the time they need.

Ragnar Gunvald
May 13, 2015

Cool and good.
Tbh private healthcare is very, very fast. But the biggest complaint is staff are not as skilled as the NHS, they offset that with better resources though.

Wife says she would rather be treated for cancer by the NHS than private, I'd it didn't take so long.

As for royals, I think the only difference is they're likely to explore many more treatment options that they likely wouldn't for normal, even paying customers because if Mr Smith dies, it's not the same as the King died in their care.

Jel Shaker
Apr 19, 2003

kingturnip posted:

Remember that the vast majority of consultants working in private healthcare have a 'day' job in the NHS.
I'd also expect in a situation like this that if it's something the consultant in charge isn't fully confident on, they'd just bring in whoever they thought needed to be brought in. Pay the local NHS Hospital a few thousand quid to borrow the relevant oncologist for the time they need.

nah it’s the other way round, the vast majority work primarily for the nhs with one day a week in private pretty standard for a full time 10 PA job

so essentially you have a pool of nhs doctors maintaining their higher level oncology skills in the NHS, then doing the easy lumpectomy cases in the private sector (remember that ICU stays are expensive so private hospitals are going to tell anyone complex to get their surgery done elsewhere), so no need to “buy off” the nhs

Z the IVth
Jan 28, 2009

The trouble with your "expendable machines"
Fun Shoe

dadrips posted:

Might turn me into history's greatest monster but I'm not feeling any particular sympathy for Kate. Yes, it's a pity that she's got cancer, but she's a born-to-rule toff that's married into the uppermost echelons of the British ruling class, meaning she'll be receiving the kind of medical care that her lowly subjects can only dream of. Thousands of folk in this very country suffer in far more dire circumstances on a daily basis with no recourse to the kind of care that she'll be receiving, personally I'll save my sympathy for them instead of a millionaire.

Cancer care is the one part of the NHS which is still largely spared from the worst of the cuts since there are various bits of actual legislation guaranteeing waiting times for care.

In practice this means everything has been cut back at the expanse of maintaining these standards for cancer. Bear in mind that these aren't exceptionally high/difficult standards either.

So if you have cancer being treated on the NHS is the optimal way to go since you will still have all the benefits of socialised healthcare and large multidisciplinary teams providing a good standard of care. Private settings have all the consultants working as individuals so you won't have the same degree of collective decision-making.

Sucks if your health condition doesn't have the C-word though, and there are plenty enough of those who will make you'd life thoroughly unpleasant without the good grace of ending your misery like untreated cancer would.

minema
May 31, 2011
There are also still huge disparities between what stages cancer is diagnosed - those in more deprived areas are overall diagnosed at a much later stage than less deprived areas and also a higher number of people die from cancer.

Cimber
Feb 3, 2014
I wonder how long before the Kate video gets conspiracy theories of it being AI generated.

Angepain
Jul 13, 2012

what keeps happening to my clothes

Cimber posted:

I wonder how long before the Kate video gets conspiracy theories of it being AI generated.

I would estimate -1hr or so

fuctifino posted:

I've watched the Kate video a few times now, and something that I can't unsee is not a single plant appears to move during the entire video.

fuctifino
Jun 11, 2001

I never said anything about AI generation. I do suspect green screen background though.

franco
Jan 3, 2003
Bloody chemo posers jumping on the bandwagon :colbert:

Just started chemo/radiotherapy for throat cancer two days ago. Diagnosis > pre-treatment preparations/assessments > treatment itself on the NHS has been rapid and loving outstanding :kiss:

Having a RIG (radiologically inserted gastrostomy tube) fitted into your stomach in case you have difficulty swallowing solid foods now or later on is wild. Especially as you get to use/fill it yourself.

smellmycheese
Feb 1, 2016

I got sliced in half and had cancer cut out last year. AMA

Cimber
Feb 3, 2014

smellmycheese posted:

I got sliced in half and had cancer cut out last year. AMA

Did your farts change?

Jaeluni Asjil
Apr 18, 2018

Sorry I thought you were a landlord when I gave you your old avatar!
Just had my door buzzed by labour canvassers. (We have intercom thing for the flats).
"We're canvassing on behalf of the Labour party"
"Oh, I'm not voting Labour"
Silence as she doesn't know how to deal with that (probably knows I'm a former member).
Me: "I'm not voting for genocide, sorry".

Ed: I decided to say that because of all the supposed reports that 'on the doorsteps, Corbyn was the reason people weren't going to vote Labour' feedback from 2019 canvas. Well they can know that Starmer is the reason this time.

Jaeluni Asjil fucked around with this message at 13:55 on Mar 23, 2024

WaffleACAB
Oct 31, 2010
I have no sympathy for any royals as people. If they had any humanity they would have abdicated long ago. They deserve nothing from any of us, least of all our care or tears.

I'm in two minds as to whether they're better or worse than other billionaires like Bezos/Musk/Gates. The business billionaires have at least put some amount of work into getting rich but on the other hand they have worse active impacts on the world day to day.

The same thing should happen to all of them imo and the world gets a little bit better any time one of them dies or even feels a bit sad.

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Runcible Cat
May 28, 2007

Ignoring this post

xtothez posted:

Something I'm curious on as I know we have a few medical-types who post here - for situations like this would the ultra-rich have a significantly better level of medical treatment than most people?

My assumption is that it comes down to two main factors. Firstly, anything would obviously be administered by the professionals with the most possible experience which may vary a lot compared to anyone using the NHS normally. But the main difference is that royals will have constant monitoring & checkups a level beyond most people, allowing conditions like this to be found much earlier (e.g. at stage 1/2 rather than stage 4). However there isn't a bunch of secret rich-people-only cancer drugs that they can just throw millions at, and generally speaking the treatment & outcomes for anything found late would be broadly the same as for the average person.
Is that accurate?

I suspect the big advantage for the ultra-rich is just support. No need to work, no need to shop or deal with household stuff, meals prepared to your specifications and taste (which can change a lot in chemo, speaking from experience...), just lie there and get catered to.

franco posted:

Bloody chemo posers jumping on the bandwagon :colbert:

Just started chemo/radiotherapy for throat cancer two days ago. Diagnosis > pre-treatment preparations/assessments > treatment itself on the NHS has been rapid and loving outstanding :kiss:

Having a RIG (radiologically inserted gastrostomy tube) fitted into your stomach in case you have difficulty swallowing solid foods now or later on is wild. Especially as you get to use/fill it yourself.

Good luck! I'm 4 sessions into chemo, but my neutrophil count keeps dropping below optimum so I've had to have a couple delayed. Bloody annoying, I want to get this over with.

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