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Al!
Apr 2, 2010

:coolspot::coolspot::coolspot::coolspot::coolspot:
having a little chuckle that they also gave the rugrats chuckie red hair

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ram dass in hell
Dec 29, 2019



:420::toot::420:

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

Roger Klotz transvestigates Patty Mayonnaise

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

sonatinas posted:

I barely watched it but my kid loves it. seems like an ok show. is it decent?

It's interesting from a critical perspective but you shouldn't watch it for fun because it's not that good. As a kid's show though it's pretty great, and will challenge them on some pretty mature issues in the way good children's literature does, even if it's not always well thought out. The most recent season has a subplot about the sun elves having to deal with a reactionary conspiracy to kick all the humans out of their country.

Justin Tyme
Feb 22, 2011


Mentioned it before but I just remembered wild thornberries are in the same universe as Rugrats as established by Rugrats go wild. This means the wild thornberries have access to cold fusion, time travel, aliens etc.

Would Nigel thornberry sneer at the thought of using time travel to rescue extinct species? Or would he think it was smashing?

Al!
Apr 2, 2010

:coolspot::coolspot::coolspot::coolspot::coolspot:
excuse me justin but do you think that the rugrats are literally doing those things via sympathetic baby magic rather than the power of imagination? because if so im fully on board

Nonsense
Jan 26, 2007

His name is Dink

MuffinsAndPie
May 20, 2015

Fried Watermelon posted:

Only 2 of the 5 are white

I meant western but I'm fuckin dumb

Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007

Everything in Bridge to Taribithea happened, and in real time

aw frig aw dang it
Jun 1, 2018


Doink ftw

Pepe Silvia Browne
Jan 1, 2007

Shageletic posted:

Everything in Bridge to Taribithea happened, and in real time

It happens again every time someone reads the book

BONGHITZ
Jan 1, 1970

RandolphCarter posted:

they made Roger rich and Bebe poor

Justin Tyme
Feb 22, 2011


Stu himself mentions the cold fusion and time machine, sold in a toy store of all places. Dudes kind of a dumbass though so could be unreliable narrator

Pepe Silvia Browne
Jan 1, 2007

Justin Tyme posted:

Mentioned it before but I just remembered wild thornberries are in the same universe as Rugrats as established by Rugrats go wild. This means the wild thornberries have access to cold fusion, time travel, aliens etc.

Would Nigel thornberry sneer at the thought of using time travel to rescue extinct species? Or would he think it was smashing?

I think he'd be pro

babypolis
Nov 4, 2009

Fighting Elegy posted:

I've spent a lot of time watching Nickelodeon shows and the only one actually worth rewatching as an adult is Hey Arnold.

However, the episode of of Rugrats titled "Chuckie's Wonderful Life" where Chuckie wishes he was never born is excellent, really good stuff. The episode where Chuckie thinks he has Rhinoceritis is pretty funny too.

hey arnold is really good , it holds up super well. the episode where helga goes to therapy is one of the most realistic depictions of therapy ive seen on tv

the one where arnold tries to have a perfect day os really good too. in general the show doesnt pull its punches or sugarcoats the message which is why it holds up so well i think

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Teriyaki Hairpiece
Dec 29, 2006

I'm nae the voice o' the darkened thistle, but th' darkened thistle cannae bear the sight o' our Bonnie Prince Bernie nae mair.

Justin Tyme posted:

Stu himself mentions the cold fusion and time machine, sold in a toy store of all places. Dudes kind of a dumbass though so could be unreliable narrator

It's the late nights making chocolate pudding, fucks with your cognitive faculties

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

the hey arnold setting of multigenerational tenement housing was also unique and something that pretty much doesn't exist anymore except for illegal immigrants

God Hole
Mar 2, 2016

babypolis posted:

hey arnold is really good , it holds up super well. the episode where helga goes to therapy is one of the most realistic depictions of therapy ive seen on tv

the one where arnold tries to have a perfect day os really good too. in general the show doesnt pull its punches or sugarcoats the message which is why it holds up so well i think

I believe the episode where Gerald gets caught up in the watch selling scam is the reason I was the only person I knew who didn't get swept up in the endless waves of pyramid schemes of the 00's and 10's. I owe that show a lot

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.

RandolphCarter posted:

they made Roger rich and Bebe poor

p sure Bebe was still rich

Actually worked pretty well for some old money/new money kinda jokes as Roger's basically the same person but trying to act like what he thinks a rich person does

Justin Tyme posted:

Mentioned it before but I just remembered wild thornberries are in the same universe as Rugrats as established by Rugrats go wild. This means the wild thornberries have access to cold fusion, time travel, aliens etc.

Would Nigel thornberry sneer at the thought of using time travel to rescue extinct species? Or would he think it was smashing?

Just wait til you get into the Disney 00s animation shared universe as established by the Lilo and Stitch cartoon crossing over with goddamn everything for some reason, including Recess like a year after Recess ended

RandolphCarter
Jul 30, 2005


the Christmas special where Arnold reunites Mr Hyunh with his daughter made me cry as a kid.

Clip-On Fedora
Feb 20, 2011

Look at all the NFTs I just bought Douglath! Very Expensive

Fighting Elegy
Jan 2, 2007
I do not masturbate; I FIGHT!

Justin Tyme posted:

Stu himself mentions the cold fusion and time machine, sold in a toy store of all places. Dudes kind of a dumbass though so could be unreliable narrator

they show the time machine sending a doll into the revolutionary war so time travel does exist and is somewhat accessible in the rugrats universe.

babypolis
Nov 4, 2009

i say swears online posted:

the hey arnold setting of multigenerational tenement housing was also unique and something that pretty much doesn't exist anymore except for illegal immigrants

being set in the inner city and not in some suburban hellscape was/is pretty unique as well

TheSlutPit
Dec 26, 2009

Tommy Pickles head always looked like a nasty ballsack to me and it made me really uneasy as a kid.

galagazombie
Oct 31, 2011

A silly little mouse!
Arnold’s grandparents who he lived with were literally landlords and one episode was about Arnold going around and trying to collect everyone’s rent.
verdict: not socialist.

netizen
Jun 25, 2023

i say swears online posted:

the hey arnold setting of multigenerational tenement housing was also unique and something that pretty much doesn't exist anymore except for illegal immigrants

Hey Arnold was where I learned what a "stoop" was. We west coast suburban boys never heard that before.

sullat
Jan 9, 2012

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

Since y'all love kids' shows so much, what do you think of the Israel-Palestine allegory in The Dragon Prince?

I mean it's not a very good one in that the Palestelves have like armies and poo poo and everything is that one human warlock's fault so when he gets oofed everything goes back to normal.

fits my needs
Jan 1, 2011

Grimey Drawer
https://x.com/Variety/status/1771395447351038099?s=20

netizen
Jun 25, 2023

Here we go boys, get ready.

Xaris
Jul 25, 2006

Lucky there's a family guy
Lucky there's a man who positively can do
All the things that make us
Laugh and cry
cross posting from econ thread but i literally cant stop lolling at this slide from the Q1 2024 earnings report

Bro Dad
Mar 26, 2010


Damien Hirst’s shark changed my life. Now he has taken a chainsaw to his glorious past

quote:

Perhaps we should have pity for Damien Hirst. Artistic decline is a terrible fate, even if you have immense wealth to cushion the blow. What artist, what person, wants to think all the good stuff, the fireworks and inventiveness, is in the past? But Hirst apparently does think that. He could hardly confess it more clearly than by pre-dating formaldehyde animal sculptures made in 2017 to the 1990s, as whistleblowers have revealed to the Guardian.

The young Damien Hirst lived fast and thought constantly about death. At 16 he posed for a photo with a severed head in a Leeds morgue. As an emerging artist he came up with a totally new spin on the ancient theme of the memento mori by putting dead animals, including a 14ft-long tiger shark, in tanks of formaldehyde and exhibiting them as art. Dry, dusty disputes over whether ready-made objects can be art paled into irrelevance before Hirst’s reminders of our fleshy fragility – and for a generation that had grown up with Jaws it was a nightmare come to life.

It was Hirst that came into my mind, not Rembrandt, as I paced a Liverpool hospital where my mum was having heart surgery in the 1990s. I have told Hirst that. I also truthfully told him in a Zoom conversation in the pandemic that he helped inspire me to become an art critic. That shark changed my life. And I was far from the only one who loved and was moved by Hirst in the 1990s. At his Tate retrospective in 2012 there were mothers showing his eerie stilled animals to young daughters, 90s folk sharing with their kids the feelings these hair-raising sculptures created back in the day. Yet now we know Hirst has taken a chainsaw to that glorious past by making new animal vitrines in 2017 and giving them dates that suggest they were made two decades earlier.

If you ever saw anything in his art, and I used to see plenty, you can’t help feeling betrayed.

Two of the predated works, Cain and Abel, and Myth Explored, Explained, Exploded, do a stunning job of apparently simulating the qualities that once made Hirst special. The third, Dove, is less impressive, but then the mostly early 2000s series of pickled birds to which it claims to belong already manifested a Hirst who was shrinking into self-parody.

Can I tell the difference in quality and significance between Cain and Abel’s two calves side by side, “brothers” kept apart in their separate tanks, which Hirst dates to 1994, and actual works from that period including Mother and Child (Divided) which won him the 1995 Turner Prize? No, since one pickled beast really does look like another. Hirst now claims that some of the dates he gave his formaldehyde works denote the year they were made, while others relate to the year of conception. Yet the baffling time shifts revealed by the Guardian threaten to poison Hirst’s whole artistic biography.

Hirst says the dating of a conceptual artwork represents the date of conception, and that there is no industry standard. But let’s be clear, this is very far from standard practice, even in conceptual art. In fact, because so much of it is ephemeral and has to be remade for museums and exhibitions, conceptual art is particularly keen on accuracy and detail. This long tradition of careful dating of such art was established by none other than the inventor of conceptualism and the ready-made, Marcel Duchamp. Duchamp “chose” ordinary objects as art, and created works whose existence was primarily intellectual, before the first world war, for a tiny avant garde audience. By the time he became pop-star famous in the 1960s – what he called “my sex maniac phase” – his legendary ready-mades such as the bicycle wheel, snow shovel and urinal were long lost. So he authorised replicas – but each is honestly catalogued as such, including Tate’s Fountain (the urinal), which not only has detailed certification and a long catalogue entry but is even signed on the back “Marcel Duchamp 1964”. It is real but a copy, a copy yet real. Hirst followed this proper Duchampian precedent himself when he made a new version of Mother and Child (Divided): on the Tate website it is carefully described as “exhibition copy 2007 (original 1993)”.

The 1960s conceptual art movement, inspired by Duchamp, wanted to eliminate the material art object and, with it, the market. It produced “art” in the form of a philosophical text or set of instructions. These approaches are completely different from Hirst’s practice, which is highly physical and material.

So Hirst has leapt into truly bizarre territory by showing new works with dates which indicate to anyone remotely familiar with artistic convention that they were made more than two decades earlier than they were. Two decades – that’s another artistic lifetime. What was he thinking? One clue could be his show Treasures from the Wreck of the Unbelievable, which opened in Venice in the same year, 2017. It comprised a spectacular museum of fakes; a deadpan, fabricated assembly of armour, jewels and erotic statues purporting to be from ancient civilisations. It was his best exhibition this century, absurdly kitsch and mind-boggling but also witty. Did it sow the idea to intervene in his own timeline?

What he’s done feels to me like a bitter private joke, not just on the art world – which probably deserves it – but on history itself. Hirst’s formaldehyde animals will always be part of the story of late 20th-century Britain. Or so I assumed. Now he has not just raised questions about the origins of his back catalogue but also destroyed any belief we might cling to in his creative future.

Today, Hirst paints dreadful seascapes and gardens and plays pointless games with digital tokens and the market. There’s no heart to any of it. His creation of sculptures that are backdated to his younger, better days reveals an artist who’s so comfortably numb he can meditate philosophically on his own creative death. “What was so different about me then?” he seems to be asking, like a horror story by Henry James or Oscar Wilde in which the ghost of a cynical, exhausted old master haunts his young, brilliant self.

But you can never go back. By doing so, the talentless older Hirst has pissed all over his youth. This is a parable of some sort, and a devastating one.

Trabisnikof
Dec 24, 2005

SWAT Kats walked so Paw Patrol could run.

Teriyaki Hairpiece
Dec 29, 2006

I'm nae the voice o' the darkened thistle, but th' darkened thistle cannae bear the sight o' our Bonnie Prince Bernie nae mair.

Trabisnikof posted:

SWAT Kats walked so Paw Patrol could run.

Capitol Critters crawled so Baby Shark could fly

theflyingexecutive
Apr 22, 2007


I can't think of anything more useless to society than an art critic. the worst crayon-scrawled sonic fan art is worth a hundred of this dude's life work

even his Wikipedia article calls him out for his bullshit

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BONGHITZ
Jan 1, 1970

artists should be allowed to lie, like cops

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

sullat posted:

I mean it's not a very good one in that the Palestelves have like armies and poo poo and everything is that one human warlock's fault so when he gets oofed everything goes back to normal.

Man you got it all backwards. The humans are the Palestinians and the elves are the Israelis. The elves even did a nakba on humanity and kept the most magical lands for themselves.

Bro Dad
Mar 26, 2010


BONGHITZ posted:

artists should be allowed to lie, like cops

the dead shark is still real to me, damnit

Xaris
Jul 25, 2006

Lucky there's a family guy
Lucky there's a man who positively can do
All the things that make us
Laugh and cry
that flying grogu bobba fat reminded me of this lol

DJJIB-DJDCT
Feb 1, 2024

Xaris posted:

cross posting from econ thread but i literally cant stop lolling at this slide from the Q1 2024 earnings report



“new” and “creativity” were perhaps poor choices for the slide

Doc Fission
Sep 11, 2011



theflyingexecutive posted:

I can't think of anything more useless to society than an art critic. the worst crayon-scrawled sonic fan art is worth a hundred of this dude's life work

even his Wikipedia article calls him out for his bullshit

I had a kneejerk desire to defend the art critic conceptually and then realized I couldn't name more than one and had a real "girl sit down" moment at myself

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tristeham
Jul 31, 2022
lol i didn't know that the american censors cut 35 minutes of the wages of fear in '55 because it showed a "negative image of a fictional oil company".

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