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discoukulele posted:The new edition of the audiobook is narrated by Rosalind Chao, which is kinda fun Is she doing it in her normal voice or that weird not-British not-Chinese accent she does in the show?
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Just started the first episode. Jesus Christ that first scene was brutal and I was not mentally ready for that. It just looked way too real.
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Boris Galerkin posted:Just started the first episode. Jesus Christ that first scene was brutal and I was not mentally ready for that. It just looked way too real. If you think that was fun, you'll love this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fuKDBPw8wQA
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LinkesAuge posted:It is also weird to cast so many asian characters only to strip them of any cultural differences and have everyone be "westernized" to such a degree. It completely eliminates the "clash of cultures" aspect and the fact that the whole world has to work together, including cultures/ideologies that don't see eye to eye on many things. The line about how Auggie needed to be a team player for the corporation because she's a filthy New Zealander with no right to be in England at all is the closest anyone gets to even acknowledging other cultures exist. And it was so weirdly irrelevant on top of that. It just sets up that she's a strong individualist who considers herself entitled to make major moral decisions by fiat. A better show might have acknowledged the irony of this since Ye Wenjie sets the entire plot in motion via the same ethos. But I'm not sure what's going on with her story. The Netflix version seems to view her sympathetically, which was a huge contrast from the Tencent version depicting her as having sincere doubt and regret even as she continues to double down on decisions she realizes can't be undone.
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Oh, I don't think anyone's mentioned this here yet, but there's a six hour fan edit of the TenCent version of Three Body Problem for anyone who's curious how the story's portrayed differently but not so curious you want to dedicate a full twenty two hours to finding out.
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Made it through E2. Guess I'll watch just 1 more before bed. About the first scene in episode 1, yeah I was in a bad mental headspace because I accidentally watched a video from the Moscow mass shooting that wasn't properly censored.
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Boris Galerkin posted:Made it through E2. Guess I'll watch just 1 more before bed. So I was joking before, but there is a scene in episode 5 that's pretty squick. I'm not one who gets freaked out by TV gore, but i had to look away during that part.
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I've become who I hated back when GoT was streaming. Benioff/Weiss should be jailed for this. Extremely cowardly to transport the timeline from 2008 Beijing to present day UK. What the gently caress did they spend the budget on? Just read the book.
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I get why they are doing it, but the lack of world leaders/governments being shown reacting or acting to all this just feels conspicuous in its absence. Yes, we get a UN Secretary General and I guess the Onion King is a proxy for the powers that be, but for a world-encompassing tale, it feels very...small. That being said, the show does a really good job of working this to its advantage by actually fleshing out characters instead of just being plot delivery bipeds.
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Gorman Thomas posted:I've become who I hated back when GoT was streaming. 
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Ok, just finished it and I think they did a pretty drat good job. My only major complaint was that I think they changed my single favorite line from the book, wasn't it "We'll send only a brain!" or something like that? In the show it didn't have as much impact.. I also thought it was weird that Auggie disappeared for most of the last few episodes. Who is her analogue in the books? Is she going to be Jin Cheng's 'AA'?. Overall I thought the actress who played Jin Cheng and Wade did an amazing job. Especially Liam Cunningham, I like his version of Wade more than the character in the book. Excellent casting. I was also surpised and poleased with how much stuff from book 2 and 3 they included. The fairy tales and goldfish being featured so prominently was a sign to me that they have a long term plan in place. Also have we met Ding Yi yet? Please let it get a second season. frogbs fucked around with this message at 06:17 on Mar 24, 2024 |
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frogbs posted:I also thought it was weird that Auggie disappeared for most of the last few episodes. Who is her analogue in the books? Is she going to be Jin Cheng's 'AA'?. She's the stand in for Wang Miao, the scientist protagonist of the modern day parts of the first book. He's not really present in the second or third books, where most of the plot of the last three episodes was drawn from, which is presumably why she vanished.
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Old Kentucky Shark posted:She's the stand in for Wang Miao, the scientist protagonist of the modern day parts of the first book. He's not really present in the second or third books, where most of the plot of the last three episodes was drawn from, which is presumably why she vanished. I guess I knew she was Wang Miao's stand in, but I figured they were going to fold all the main characters in with other book characters to give all the main cast a through line to the end of the book. If Auggie ends up being a stand in for 'AA' too, that would put her and Jin Cheng literally at the very end of the book. And if they couple Auggie and Saul then he'd be around for quite a while as well. It'd be a good way to keep everyone together. pedro0930 posted:Is Ye Wenjie even portrayed as a/the villain in the show? I thought she actually came off as way more sympathetic in the show than in the book. Tarnop posted:They know where the fleet is coming from because they can see the trails the ships leave through interstellar dust clouds I was sure that they'd show this in the show, it'd be a good visual, but maybe they'll include a scene later when they can actually see the fleet and not just the cloud. frogbs fucked around with this message at 06:36 on Mar 24, 2024 |
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arrowdust posted:Finished the first season. Enthralling stuff. I know that this has already been answered but there's another, more simple answer: they know which star system the aliens are coming from, so they know shooting it towards the star system will allow them to intercept it. It is interesting that Mike Evans and Ye Winjie are depicted as being betrayed by the aliens. In the book they're totally on board with the extinction of humanity, whereas in the show they seem betrayed when the aliens change their goals to destruction of the human race. Makes for quite a fun scene when Mike Evans realizes how badly he's hosed up by telling them about lying. Updog Scully fucked around with this message at 06:39 on Mar 24, 2024 |
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Also gently caress, just realized who Jin Cheng's boyfriend is probably going to be Zhang Beihai. Can't believe I didn't realize that right away.
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Updog Scully posted:I know that this has already been answered but there's another, more simple answer: they know which star system the aliens are coming from, so they know shooting it towards the star system will allow them to intercept it. Well yes obviously but my question was how. If maybe your answer is "by narrowing the search down to 3-star solar systems approximately 4 light years away", well, identifying even those would take time to 1) find the right direction and 2) zoom level of the telescope and 3) confirm the 3 stars are, in fact, gravitationally influencing each other. And the show goes into none of this.
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Boris Galerkin posted:Just started the first episode. Jesus Christ that first scene was brutal and I was not mentally ready for that. It just looked way too real. I was surprised they got away with what was essentially 1/1000th of the brutality commies show to people for not being evil or stupid. Especially considering the book is written by a Chinese author. I'm amazed the author is still around after implying a communist regime could ever do anything as inhumane or evil like wetting the bed and giving some stripes. mistermojo posted:the VR game is great. its like that Futurama episode I got major always sunny vibes
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Some Guy TT posted:Oh, I don't think anyone's mentioned this here yet, but there's a six hour fan edit of the TenCent version of Three Body Problem for anyone who's curious how the story's portrayed differently but not so curious you want to dedicate a full twenty two hours to finding out. For people looking for different adaptations, don't forget the Minecraft version, which started as a fan work but became an official adaptation from season two onwards. They eventually stop using Minecraft at all in favor of custom animation done in a minecrafty style. Season 1 Season 2 Season 3
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Updog Scully posted:I know that this has already been answered but there's another, more simple answer: they know which star system the aliens are coming from, so they know shooting it towards the star system will allow them to intercept it. Yeah this is a good point and it's weird that they skipped over this in the show. IIRC it's that there's only one trinary system at the exact distance implied by the delay between the broadcast off the sun and the "don't respond" message. Seems like something that could have been part of the Staircase proposal scene, it's not like the last three episodes are pushed for time
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SimonChris posted:For people looking for different adaptations, don't forget the Minecraft version, which started as a fan work but became an official adaptation from season two onwards. They eventually stop using Minecraft at all in favor of custom animation done in a minecrafty style. This is wonderful. I skipped to S2 E9, which is the "Water Drop" doing its teardrop thing and it was pretty much exactly as I saw it in my head, with the exception of some wider shots to convey the spectacle.
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Genuinely shocked at how good this is, and how close an adaptation of the book it is, and I'm somebody who really disliked the book.
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Wow this show sucked, deep dicked again by D and D. The Minecraft version seems legit great though. What's with all the plotholes? Aliens can't read minds, but the VR headsets can read/write brain signals? Why didn't they use the VR headsets to relay full brain scans of the users to the Sophons? How were the VR headsets made, can the Sophons fabricate poo poo or did they relay instructions for like a really good 3D printer to the Judgement Day? The rest of the tech on the ship was sus Dell PowerEdge. Aliens can't read minds, but they can create timers in people's field of vision? So what, they can get as close as the optic nerve and not the brain? Aliens can't lie and find it immoral to lie, but they are fine with causing mass hallucinations and giving untrue science results? They were loving with people before they even found out about the Red Riding Hood thing. Also how could there be a pacifist alien writing to Earth if it's intent is always broadcast to the rest of them? The Sophons were sent to Earth at "nearly light speed" according to the show, so they fired them off what, a couple years after first contact? Because it should have taken them 40 years minimum to arrive at full light speed since the fleet is 10% light speed. Not a question but having a satellite dish that huge on an oil tanker would suck rear end. Like a storm would gently caress that thing up so bad. Even slight waves would throw it off in the ocean and a gyroscope system would have a hard time countering that much mass.
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uXs posted:1%, so 4 years. Oh ok thanks lol Guess for the rest 
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No mystery, the rest aren't plot holes either. Headset brain scans - ok so you have a snapshot of a human brain for the sophons to look at. How is this helpful? Nothing suggests the sophons are powerful enough to simulate a human mind. None of the people who wear the headsets at that time know anything particularly useful. The aliens are already able to access our computers and are able to send our tech to Trisolaris. That said, they can't read minds. They could be highly specialised headsets for imparting sensory information, that works one way. The show depicts how the sophons do the countdown, they knock into the right pattern of cones on your retina to spoof visual effects, not gently caress with your brain. How is loving with science and people directly actively deceptive? They are obscuring results and their actions but how is any of this lying? They call it the sophon lock, it's not concealed and is a brute force tool to achieve their goals. A lot of the way things go on earth is done by the ETO or whatever the show calls the traitors - they are human. They can lie. The number of posts like this in the thread makes me think that maybe the show doesn't do the best job explaining this stuff and is too rushed. As a book reader none of these things are a problem.
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Binged the entire season last night, not having read the books or seen any other previous adaptation. I enjoyed it, but I felt the hard science-fiction approach is marred somewhat by various things just seeming very contrived. For instance:Zero VGS posted:Wow this show sucked, deep dicked again by D and D. The Minecraft version seems legit great though. The other things, however, are exactly what I was asking myself after going through the episodes too. Moreover, the fact that apparently the San-ti can directly communicate with human brains and already have a pretty clear understanding what either motivates or terrifies people - as evidenced by their manipulation of Tatiana and Wade at the end of the season raises the question what need they have for a single human brain to dissect 200 years from now. Just get some helmets on a bunch of follower fanatics and put them through their paces if you want to know more. And if you're adamant on preventing advances in human technology, just give any promising scientist or engineer the Guantanmo Bay treatment and just continually bombard their senses with sounds and images until they die of sleep deprivation or go insane. Why even bother trying to read their minds? On a more basic level: you'd think the Sophons upon their arrival would've immediately started collecting and transmitting all there is to know about human civilisation, revealing both that humans can be incredibly treacherous and - perhaps more fundamentally - can only communicate through verbal and visual means, so that such transparency as there is among San-ti is inherently impossible. It would also have taught them the concept of fiction. From a storytelling standpoint I get why instead they had to learn it months after getting here from an idiot reading a Grimm brothers' fairy tale, but to me it just feels extremely contrived. BastardySkull posted:No mystery, the rest aren't plot holes either. Furthermore, as to the San-ti's behaviour: I'm pretty sure the Sophons created the illusion of the universe 'blinking', not the ETO, and the Sophons act on behalf of the San-ti. How could they interpret that as anything other than lying to the entire human populace, as creating a fiction meant to deceive? However, the thing that bothers me the most - though perhaps it shouldn't - is the basic premise of the entire book and show: that there's a planet caught between three stars, that due to its chaotic orbit has seen thousands of civilisations of apparently a single species rise and fall, but ultimately reach dizzying technological heights. How would any intelligent life even evolve on such a world in the first place? Maybe this is adequately explained in the book, but as it is it's really streching the limits of my ability to suspend disbelief. That also applies to the San-ti's decision to build a massive fleet and just have it hanging out there in the hopes some lesser species on a suitable planet within a few lightyears will transmit an ICQ, instead of actively looking for some other place to settle. Given their level of technology and long-term planning on the one hand, and the urgency of the matter on the other, you'd think they would've started sending out probes (or hell, Rama-style ships) a long time ago to scout the galactic neighbourhood. Hell, we're only four lightyears away, i.e. practically next door, and even with our primitive technology we're able to make some educated guesses about planets in close-by star systems. I sort of hate myself for picking apart something like this, while being quite ready to forgive less-intellectual fare a pass for arguably much more egregious plot holes and sillyness, but considering how it tries so hard to be clever I find it difficult not to be overly critical. That said, I did enjoy watching it and look forward to the next season. Although I should mention that this was also the case of the increasingly idiotic Star Trek: Discovery during its Netflix run, so maybe that's not saying much.
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3body is a known entity because of a handful of crazy scifi set pieces and a few great twists. And to that end it lends itself very well to a trashy tv adaptation. The writing in the books sucks and characters have pages of conversations explaining things like "good cop, bad cop" to eachother. In the first book an English character introduces himself by quoting Hamlet. This adaptation is miraculously good.
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A lot of the "plot holes" are due to changes from the books, which does make some things harder to swallow. Book spoilers: The books take place in the near-future where fully immersive VR has already been invented and the 3Body game simply runs on existing VR rigs. The graphics are impressive, but not beyond what a state-of-the-art game company might be able to pull off. They don't immediately give away the game by shipping impossible technology to people. Book Mike Evans is part of a hard-line faction within the ETO who believe humanity deserves to die for not preserving every goddamn sub-species of the sparrow, and the Santi killing everyone was the plan from the start. They didn't spend 50 years talking to humans before someone mentioned the concept of lying. Sombrerotron posted:However, the thing that bothers me the most - though perhaps it shouldn't - is the basic premise of the entire book and show: that there's a planet caught between three stars, that due to its chaotic orbit has seen thousands of civilisations of apparently a single species rise and fall, but ultimately reach dizzying technological heights. How would any intelligent life even evolve on such a world in the first place? Maybe this is adequately explained in the book, but as it is it's really streching the limits of my ability to suspend disbelief. This is also explained in the book and partially in the show. The Santi has the ability to dehydrate and enter suspended animation during chaotic eras. Most chaotic eras aren't bad enough to completely wipe out civilization; they typically have enough advance warning to hibernate and preserve at least some of their knowledge. Otherwise, they wouldn't have all these historical records of previous civilizations used in the simulation.
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We are told in the series the VR headset has a brain computer interface. There is no reason to believe that it does more than feed you an experience, and read your desired inputs at an advanced level. How that is done doesn't necessarily imply reading a mind beyond that. We're explicitly told that they cannot read minds - therefore, the headset cannot read your mind. It isn't capable of doing so. You can think of reasons why that might be a limitation - one may be that they have zero concept of lying so would have no reason to implement such a thing. It's a central pillar of what is to come if they have another season that the human mind is sacrosanct and a place that the aliens can be successfully outmaneuvered. Another poster has addressed that this is much better dealt with in the books, I have no idea why they went with this in the show. In the books it's just a given, the thing doesn't read your mind and there isn't even a suggestion of it. It's just a really advanced VR headset. The sophons creating illusions is not lying? The aliens are physiologically incapable of lying, they have no concept of it because they broadcast their thoughts (not telepathically, mind) to those around them. They make a silly assumption that we work the same way. Yes, this is a plot contrivance. Is the sophons messing with the sky and other things a lie, though? No. It's an incredibly blatant and ostentatious display of power. How is that a lie? The trisolarans can withhold information, they can choose not to reveal a thing. They know they can also apply that to someone else. What they don't understand is that you can act in a certain way or say a certain thing but mean the opposite. That is the art of lying that they don't understand. As for not looking for other places to settle - this is explained later and if they do a decent job should be covered in Season 2.. It's okay not to like the show or the books, of course, but I think you do need to be able to try and meet this where it is at. This is not hard sci-fi.
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BastardySkull posted:This is not hard sci-fi. I mean if it presents itself as hard sci-fi and wants to reference quantum entanglement and stuff that seems like fair game to me. My boyfriend who read the original books in Chinese watched it with me and his first reaction for the opening scene was "jeez they could have at least got actors with Mandarin accents for this", no American would catch that but it just kinda highlights that D&D are not as good at attention to detail as they think. At least the coffee cups fit in this better than Westeros.
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I think this issue occurs whenever somethings adapted from existing material such as book, those that haven't read it are told that it's explained in the book but we don't know if it's something that's yet to come up or if it's been forgotten or edited out to make changes.
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So if Will's brain is being shipped to the San-ti (or at least was supposed to before the fuckup) what good is it going to do? They know everything there is to know about humans already from being able to download wikipedia. They can also download the decoded human genome so they don't need Will's sample to recreate him, they could easily just genetic engineer a human from the human genome project if they wanted a physical body. But more to the point, why would they want a physical human body? What exactly is Will going to give them that they can't get already? It seems like his mission is entirely pointless. The more I shower thought this series, the more it seems to fall apart.
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Jonathan Price is a fine actor doinga fine job, but he's completely unconvincing casting in this.
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Shneak posted:This is my genre of sci-fi but I wasn't really feeling it until the end of Episode 2—yeah, I'm hooked now. I got good news for ya 
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