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Zeppelin Insanity posted:While I know that Wikipedia is not by any means a reliable source, on a whim I looked at the Chinese towed 155mm. What's a cargo round? Is that a cluster munition?
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BearsBearsBears posted:What's a cargo round? Bursts open and delivers an energy drink directly into a waiting soldier’s palm.
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mlmp08 posted:Bursts open and delivers an energy drink directly into a waiting soldier’s palm. redbull has gone too far imho
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Delta-Wye posted:redbull has gone too far imho It is wild that their F1 team is now called “Red Bull Racing Honda Red Bull Powertrains”
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stephenthinkpad posted:Red bull is the new Marlboro their livery sucks imo, nobody beats philip morris
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stephenthinkpad posted:Red bull is the new Marlboro Always has been
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mlmp08 posted:It is wild that their F1 team is now called “Red Bull Racing Honda Red Bull Powertrains” same energy 
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Zeppelin Insanity posted:But he then goes on to say that after German generals talked to them and rewrote their doctrine, they realized that they can definitely win german generals famously defeated the Soviets in the second world war
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OctaMurk posted:german generals famously defeated the Soviets in the second world war The American inferiority complex after WW2 is one of the stranger things in recent history. It’s like an even more deranged version of Roman Philhellenism following the Macedonian Wars, but … replacing the legions with the phalanx as well?
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DJJIB-DJDCT posted:The American inferiority complex after WW2 is one of the stranger things in recent history. It’s like an even more deranged version of Roman Philhellenism following the Macedonian Wars, but … replacing the legions with the phalanx as well? The US can't help but empathize with a nice white supremacist Lost Cause, and the soviets were always the strategic foe since they fall into that doesn't-count-as-european asiatic hordes trope that the US has been in love with since like 1820
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stephenthinkpad posted:If CIA was around a couple decades earlier, they probably would have assassinated FDR and made Truman give lend-lease to Germany instead of Soviet. well Prescott bush was involved with the 1933 business plot to assassinate fdr. and possibly the dulles brothers. and the morgans and du ponts. basically everyone who would go on to be in the cia
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Zeppelin Insanity posted:I've been watching some Cold War era American and British videos about the Soviet military. They all show a deep respect for their capabilities. Yeah, I bring up China's shipbuilding capabilities vs. ours with my neolib friends and they just write it off as MIC posturing. I mean, it's kind of true, but A. You've just admitted the government is totally beholden to private interest like this and B. That still doesn't solve the problem that China actually has more and better shipyards than we do. The answer is of course "technology advantage", which lol ok sure, but in a war of attrition that only gets you so far and you can't just replace a ship like you can an infantry formation. Sunk is sunk, mission kill means they sit in port for years because there isn't capacity go around. You're also planning on doing this war on their turf.
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we have almost a century of fighting the last war built into the current fleet. a US shooting war with china would likely blow some assumptions away immediately. either fleet defenses work or they don’t Either china can achieve enough sea and air superiority to support a landing or they can’t. we’ll find that out very quickly. my feeling is they can’t but the damage they can inflict on the surface fleet is significant enough to completely change naval warfare forever like Pearl Harbor and Midway did.
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lmao forever @ liberals becoming so divorced from reality that they've convinced themselves that military shipbuilding has nothing to do with shipyards
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skooma512 posted:Yeah, I bring up China's shipbuilding capabilities vs. ours with my neolib friends and they just write it off as MIC posturing. I mean, it's kind of true, but A. You've just admitted the government is totally beholden to private interest like this and B. That still doesn't solve the problem that China actually has more and better shipyards than we do. The answer is of course "technology advantage", which lol ok sure, but in a war of attrition that only gets you so far and you can't just replace a ship like you can an infantry formation. Sunk is sunk, mission kill means they sit in port for years because there isn't capacity go around. You're also planning on doing this war on their turf. Just add AI to the drydocks, that will fix everything. That's why NVidia's market cap can buy China's whole stock market.
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Cerebral Bore posted:just go down to the aircraft carrier store to pick up a new one, bing bong so simple I would say the problem is even more fundamental, though that's a funny part of it. "A ship's a fool to fight a fort" means that no amount of carriers hanging out within range of Chinese land-based aircraft is going to come out on top. If China wanted to fight in the middle of the Pacific, maybe the USN has their day, but America is not going to be able to just sit off the coast of China and hope that 6 carriers somehow put up more sorties than 30 airbases, or however many are within range. DJJIB-DJDCT has issued a correction as of 20:37 on Mar 25, 2024 |
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Hatebag posted:well Prescott bush was involved with the 1933 business plot to assassinate fdr. and possibly the dulles brothers. and the morgans and du ponts. basically everyone who would go on to be in the cia There's a story about the director of IG Farben meeting with Dulles on multiple occasions to tell him about the Holocaust and Dulles just never passing that on. Didn't Dulles' son once say in an interview "My father was a German spy" with the interviewer trying to move on, like twice in the same interview?
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skooma512 posted:Yeah, I bring up China's shipbuilding capabilities vs. ours with my neolib friends and they just write it off as MIC posturing. I mean, it's kind of true, but A. You've just admitted the government is totally beholden to private interest like this and B. That still doesn't solve the problem that China actually has more and better shipyards than we do. The answer is of course "technology advantage", which lol ok sure, but in a war of attrition that only gets you so far and you can't just replace a ship like you can an infantry formation. Sunk is sunk, mission kill means they sit in port for years because there isn't capacity go around. You're also planning on doing this war on their turf. That's the other thing! The US navy keeps telling people the Chinese navy is far more modern, but Westerners are still absolutely convinced of massive technological superiority. I genuinely think that the average Westerner thinks they are at least 100 years ahead of everyone else, and also that this works like a Civ tech tree.
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Zeppelin Insanity posted:That's the other thing! The US navy keeps telling people the Chinese navy is far more modern, but Westerners are still absolutely convinced of massive technological superiority. I would say this is even more fundamental. They think it's 1894.   Of course, even if the PLAN dressed like that, today, they would still come out on top.
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Zeppelin Insanity posted:There's a story about the director of IG Farben meeting with Dulles on multiple occasions to tell him about the Holocaust and Dulles just never passing that on. lol i never heard of that interview. appears to be this: https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...RbcubnyhwajpQTz i don't have time to read it right now but lol it's on the first page
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I dunno why everyone is obsessed with a hot war with China, when China can collapse the US at any point by simply not shipping poo poo to the US. There aren't many US industries that aren't dependent on Chinese supplies, materials, or tools to continue to operate, at least at some point in their supply chain. And almost every piece of consumer poo poo would disappear from store shelves. Covid showed just how addicted to treats America is, and that would be a sudden stop to almost every treat, at every level. It would be actual chaos from mass lay offs, empty stores, and shortages in everything, including food. The fact that a hot war would also come with this just makes it even funnier to contemplate.
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Last time when there was a large naval battle spotting the enemy carrier position was like the most critical thing. Nowadays you can spot ships from satellite, and you can send large drones to the sea that can fly for 30+ hours. You can't hide carrier group in the sea anymore.jetz0r posted:I dunno why everyone is obsessed with a hot war with China, when China can collapse the US at any point by simply not shipping poo poo to the US. There aren't many US industries that aren't dependent on Chinese supplies, materials, or tools to continue to operate, at least at some point in their supply chain. And almost every piece of consumer poo poo would disappear from store shelves. I think that would be China's plan was if the war took place in the 00s and there was no GWOT. stephenthinkpad has issued a correction as of 21:16 on Mar 25, 2024 |
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stephenthinkpad posted:I think that would be China's plan was if the war took place in the 00s and there was no GWOT. yeah these days all they have to do is wait for the us to do itself in
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Cerebral Bore posted:lmao forever @ liberals becoming so divorced from reality that they've convinced themselves that military shipbuilding has nothing to do with shipyards
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