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Dejan Bimble posted:this is part of the issue with the league becoming haves/ have nots plus having gambling fully integrated into everything. Someone might want a little taste of the life a few of their teammates get to live and “re-aggravate” whatever a couple nights a year On the flip side it's easier than ever to get caught, and the rules haven't changed.
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I watched an interview with one of the guys who investigated Tim Donaghy and they said its extremely easy to see when something is getting rigged because you can watch the betting patterns drastically change. If they are investigating this then some extremely obvious large sums of money were suddenly being bet on him, like $200 a night average then jumped up to $5k or something.
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Mar 25, 2024 23:49
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All Porters are juniors again. Nature is healing.
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Mar 25, 2024 23:51
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Yeah. They are definitely going to make an example of him, but it's going to keep happening and guys are just going to get smarter about it. If the NBA actually wants to stop it they shouldn't punish him at all. Tell players that screwing with prop bets is perfectly legal and betting on yourself for props is fine, too. Force gambling sites to stop taking action on player props. But they've sold the soul of the league to Big Sportsbook, so they'll just make a big deal about punishing the small time players. The real question is what happens when it's someone like Jokic and he doesn't have an interpreter buddy around to take the fall.
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This is on the Raps for not having enough veteran leadership on the roster to tell him that when you Bet On (against) Yourself you gotta do it across multiple accounts and jurisdictions.
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Mar 26, 2024 00:11
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Mar 26, 2024 00:14
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Mar 26, 2024 00:26
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pentyne posted:I watched an interview with one of the guys who investigated Tim Donaghy and they said its extremely easy to see when something is getting rigged because you can watch the betting patterns drastically change. It's gonna be way more than $5k. That's pennies and if jontay is in on it that's not even a game check.
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Mar 26, 2024 00:29
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Mar 26, 2024 00:39
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Even if he was massively in gambling debt or something he should have just asked his brother who’s making $30m this year
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Mar 26, 2024 00:41
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The wording of the report implies a lot of people were betting on him which, hell, could be his brother too It's good to spread false claims without having all the evidence
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Mar 26, 2024 00:42
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There is a chance that someone in his circle was spreading info about him still having issues with his eye or him getting sick. If you're looking for an edge that's actually what you really want, inside info WITHOUT the player being involved. I mean, the circumstantial evidence here is really bad but he there's a chance he isn't involved.
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Mar 26, 2024 00:45
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Assuming his involvement in some kind of rigged gambling scheme, the only outcome is a lifetime ban right? Would the Players Association even appeal?
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shyduck posted:I think it's stupid that you can make a Jontay Porter prop bet people fuckin love em. Props now account for as much of the betting market as the traditional money line, over under, against the spread bets. They’re also the source of a ton of betting fuckery. If you’re running a crooked betting scheme, the goal is to find opportunities where one guy has outsized opportunity to control the outcome but is less obvious than outright throwing games or shaving points or something - too many eyes on that, too much scrutiny, too hard to guarantee the fix. in cricket, there was a major scandal around really bizarre prop bets that would hit. Like the equivalent of “there will be multiple balks in this game”. It’s an unusual thing and the pitcher can completely control whether it happens or not, so slip him a few bucks to make a couple mistakes nobody will think twice about. Low, low level (like, “why do you even accept bets on this” low level) tennis is a consistent hotspot for gambling fuckery. You can pay some barely professional 20 year old far more than they would make for winning a round or two to throw in a few double faults. Jontay Porter is on a two-way making less than half the league minimum, so he checks the “easily bought” box, and if you just have a deal where he calls you when he thinks he’s gonna get some minutes and thinks he can go grab a few boards and hit the prop, literally nobody would notice that he just hustled his way into 5 meaningless rebounds. Like you would need statistical analysis of betting patterns to notice, which is something they started doing in part because of the repeated problems in tennis. Anyway, this was incredibly predictable, was always going to happen, and it was always going to be like this. And it will keep happening. It’s why sports leagues were so afraid of going anywhere near the gambling money for decades and decades. People will pretend he was one rotten apple and there will not be a single moment of reflection by anyone peddling this poo poo. Long term the risk is that people view the whole game as fixed and stop watching, and the NBA should be especially weary of that with the whole Donaghy thing but it takes a while to get there so that’s a problem for a future NBA commissioner. Until then, $$$$$$$$$$$$$$
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pentyne posted:Assuming his involvement in some kind of rigged gambling scheme, the only outcome is a lifetime ban right? Would the Players Association even appeal? I wouldn't be surprised if they took the opportunity as a means to fight against all the gambling money being put into the league after hearing some comments about how people treat them because they ruined their bet from players like Haliburton
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pentyne posted:Assuming his involvement in some kind of rigged gambling scheme, the only outcome is a lifetime ban right? Would the Players Association even appeal? They will (should) make a token effort but the league will absolutely go scorched earth and the PA isn't going to give anything up to protect him.
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Metapod posted:I wouldn't be surprised if they took the opportunity as a means to fight against all the gambling money being put into the league after hearing some comments about how people treat them because they ruined their bet from players like Haliburton The players are making that money too, they're not going to fight it.
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Lockback posted:The players are making that money too, they're not going to fight it. Lots of players have expressed exasperation with how its impacted their experience all the way up to death threats to their family from degenerate gambling fans. There's a limit where they would push back.
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Mar 26, 2024 01:18
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Salvor_Hardin posted:Lots of players have expressed exasperation with how its impacted their experience all the way up to death threats to their family from degenerate gambling fans. There's a limit where they would push back. I think there's a huge gulf between that and the entire union trying to give back all that money.
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https://twitter.com/heyhalima/status/1772394622662123815?s=61&t=p3q_Jh3l7EiiLtw3f9k_8Q This investigation is gonna be real quick
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Metapod posted:I wouldn't be surprised if they took the opportunity as a means to fight against all the gambling money being put into the league after hearing some comments about how people treat them because they ruined their bet from players like Haliburton Fast Luck fucked around with this message at 01:48 on Mar 26, 2024 |
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pentyne posted:I watched an interview with one of the guys who investigated Tim Donaghy and they said its extremely easy to see when something is getting rigged because you can watch the betting patterns drastically change. Yeah, this has been learned from cricket and tennis. You don't even need to analyse the player performance to look for the signs. If some very mundane bet all of sudden has a 5,000% increase in betting on it one game compared to typical amounts, and 99% of the money is one side of the action, then it's pretty clear something is up.
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What I’m hearing is that if I ever win the lottery I could have fun absolutely ruining some bench player’s life if I wanted
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https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1772427945585291291?t=SNfYFO8FJl8_r5y0MTgSnA&s=19 Oh someone is going to jail, One Hundred percent. Might not be Jontay, but definitely someone. They're going to find whoever shared this info to place those bets.
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let's not lose sight of the real All Stars herequote:“We have no comment on this story,” a DraftKings spokesman said Monday. “In general, it is important to note that one of the many benefits of legal and regulated sports betting is that sports betting operators identify and report suspicious activity and the integrity of sport is therefore protected in a manner that does not exist in the illegal market.”
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Oh well thank god
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rivetz posted:let's not lose sight of the real All Stars here Thank you DraftKings 
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Lifespan posted:Thank you DraftKings
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Mar 26, 2024 02:52
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Without Trae Young, the Hawks erased a 30 point deficit versus the Celtics and won
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Lifespan posted:Thank you DraftKings
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DC Murderverse posted:What I’m hearing is that if I ever win the lottery I could have fun absolutely ruining some bench player’s life if I wanted sad Kobe never got to play in a league where he could frame his rivals.
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Probably for the best they got a little slap in the face for being lazy and sloppy.
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Warriors for in real danger of falling to the 11 seed while playing +500 ball in March is a commentary on something but I'm not 100% sure what.
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Salvor_Hardin posted:Probably for the best they got a little slap in the face for being lazy and sloppy. yah. on to the playoffs pls
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Rick posted:Warriors for in real danger of falling to the 11 seed while playing +500 ball in March is a commentary on something but I'm not 100% sure what. https://twitter.com/kendra__andrews/status/1720641288926642522
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The exception that proves the rule has to be one of the most misunderstood and misapplied concepts ever.
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